okay well i finally decidied on a swap and went and bought myselfa 4agze, tore it araprt and blah blah blah ....im goin all motor for now on this bad boy, hoping to break 180WHP n/a...but this motor is being built for turbo so when i actually get a turbo kit im hoping for about 300WHP

as of now its comptelty just torn apart....ere are some pics

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/157859supervalve-med.JPG

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^bigport head, not being used :)

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^this head was a fucking bitch to get off, took me like 30 minuts to get it off cuz one of the head studs was stripped as fuck

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ginding....;)

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^notice nijers head pokin out through the bottem of the motor...lol

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old pistons wrings were toast and there was some rust on #3 and #4 pistons...not good

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im reuing these rods but im going to have them matched and cut so their under 400 grams.... i feel like revving to 10 K :)

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/157859parts-med.JPG
mmm parts, notcie the 256 duration cams as opposed to my 240 duration stock ones?

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this is how it looks chilln in my garage right now


so far this swap is
4agze bottem end
forged rods
10.3:1 comp pistons w a 2mm head gasket for a 9.3:1 comp
port/polish on intake and exhuast side
3 angle valve job
256 duration cams
gze 365cc injectors
smt-6 pigyback ecu


so yea im just hoping to break 180 Hp but ill prob go into the 200 range, hoping to break 13's by end of summer

tell me what u guys think

you are the man, you seem so comfortable with tearing apart the motor, major props. Man you are making me jealous, still looking for my car...

Good luck man.. hope everything goes smooth. One question though.. why not go with the GZE head.. GE means high flow head which would be critical in a high revving NA engine.

thanks guys, theres many a reasons why im goin with the F head but heres just a few

i mainly hate being like everyone else, hecne why i bought a celica, i didnt want to be like every other honda head out there with a hatch w a dz swap etc... everyone uses the Ghead and says the F head flows like crap and is just a big boat i dont belive that heres why

i look at the two heads as this, a two stoke motor and a 4 stroke, a g head has to stay in high rpm's to stay in powerband, and mostly has all up top shit, hence why they need to revv hgih to make power

i beleve i can keep the F head at under 8K and make more power than a G head, this is being used for mainly hill climbs and mountain passing, theres alot of Touge type racing out here so i need all the botem end i can get and an F head will produce that


second of all the G head flows pretty much sideways, no real angle to it, and the squish area of the head is actually VERY diffrernt than the F head, the F head flows at a relativly steep angle , granted stock they flow like crap but im getting ALOT of headwork done to it, and i belive this head has potnetial, but i do agree, stock it flows like crap but can be made to flow relativly well

also how many G head motors do you know that can put out more TQ than HP? slim to none, with this setup im looking at more Tq than i am hp witch is ideal for the type of racing i will be doing and yes this new motor i have now is going to revv to about 7K w/out the valves srpings and cam m going to use, afterwards proably about 8K but the f head will have a more broad tq and Hp band than just having all top end like a g head


and basically who woudlnt like to have a 200+Hp motor that gets 30 MPG :)

do you know if those exhuast control valves work or not? The ones to creat some back pressure at low rpms and open up at higher rpms?

well its officially oficial, G head cams will DEFFINATLY not work on a f head

not jsut cuz u cant move around the slave gear setup, but the way the distributor is setup is diffrent on the 2 motors, not to mention most gze cams have DLI ignition anyway, so there goes that idea, i DEFINATLY need new cams for this thing, i wont make nearly as mcu h HP withough them

update again: block is getting machined, it was pitted and some rust in cyilendar #4 so it was bored .30 over, crank didnt need to be reground and all rods are getting balanced and shaved down to 500 Grams....the machinest said i should be able to revv to about 8 grand, mabe more with a new cam, im hoping to break 9 but i duno if thats gunna happen

damm its like a broken record . good luck

man 500 grams is so little, that's only about 1.1 lbs. =)