Well, My DSM is in the shop right now getting a few things fixed on it right now, and I got a guy that wants to run me when I get it back. He drives a H22 powered CRX. He's my cousins friend (He always sets up races for me.....) and my cousin told him about my car. So what do you predict the outcome will be......

H22 (Prelude Vtec) Crx
Headers (Open with no Exhaust)
Cold Air Intake.

vs.

My GSX.
Mods In Sig
(Kill list includes M3, 03 Cobra, Evo MR, Sti, Camaro SS, 12sec fully build B18C5 "TypeR" civic hatch)
Runs mid-low 12's

You'll take him. There's no way he's running better than high 13s, low 14s.

Probabaly be a decent run.... but I think you'd come out on top... he's a lot lighter but you have a lot more work done to your car...

Yah Id think you'd win.. but I bet that thing sounds nice without an exhaust on it

Not to sound bias, but of course you'd win.

Thats what I was thinking but I wasn't sure. About 200 hp in the light 2200-2300lbs CRX is gonna be something nice but I think I should come out on top.... I hope. But with all that torque on street tires, from a launch he should be spinning them tires for a little while. While I just go.

I bet he is losing a shit load of power running open exhaust on a 4 banger...no bottom end. Bet it sounds like ass as well.

My buddy has a 1994 or so SI with a B16 with about 200hp, runs low to mid 14's....you will win.

I told him that, Damn rice though, he likes the sound though becuase it's loud.
No exhaust = No back pressure = loss of power on N/A.

No kidding. A buddy of mine ran open shorty headers for an hour on his 5.0 (just to test the engine)
Absolutely NO power anywhere. And this is on something with 300 tq...now imagine what a 4 banger loses. Damn kids...

Oh yeah, I'm not big on the imports, but i've always thought your little GSX was clean and tasteful...congrats on not fucking up an import my friend :bigthumb:

h22 in a crx is usually a mid 13 second car. so hes still quick, but you should take him.

Thanks for the props on my car Bulldawg. And TatII, thats around what I was thinking it would run. Actually I was afraid it was gonna run in the 12's. But I guess not. Anyone know people with an H22 in a CRX? What do they run? I hate the damn CRX! So damn light, can take 200 horses and run a 13.

i know kris's 97-00 civic hatch with a H22 runs mid 12's. but hes nto telling us what else he got in there. but its definitly n/a.

Also remember, if he's running open exhaust on an N/A car, he'll be slower than any of the times stated.

I don't think it will be much of a race. I think you will take him on the launch and keep pulling.

I don't think it will be much of a race. I think you will take him on the launch and keep pulling.

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J/K :grinyes:

I agree i think you will take him. By the way love your car man im gonna get a gsx when i get back to the states and hopefully have it running about the same as yours a couple months after that.

so, what are the results? im a dsmer...so common sense kicks in and tells me that you won already...even before he asked you about the race. :)

Naw, cars still in the shop..... I should get it back sometime within the next 2 weeks. But the day I get it out, I'm running him and making a video for sure.

BTW thanks for the props on the car. And good luck on finding your GSX. These babys are hard to find..........

Whats she in the shop for?

well if the rsx runs about a 14.7 and the crx weights about 500 lbs less atleast then it would probably run mid 13s with a good driver, but hes stupid for not puttin an exhaust. why dont he atleast just put a good coustom 2.25" madrel bend exhaust.

I don't think 500 pounds will make you run an entire second faster, maybe half.

well if the rsx runs about a 14.7 and the crx weights about 500 lbs less atleast then it would probably run mid 13s with a good driver, but hes stupid for not puttin an exhaust. why dont he atleast just put a good coustom 2.25" madrel bend exhaust.

stock GSX runs a 14.9 in the 1/4. If he has the mods listed in his sig his car is running mid to low 12's.
He's gonna win.

edit : eh I retract that.. reread his list... if he isnt running 11.?? he doesnt know how to drive or has a HORRIBLE tune. FMIC with dsmlink and a 60 trim? 11's

Each 100 pounds you take off your car is worth about 1 tenth of a second, so 500 pounds will take off a half second, give or take a tenth.

Everyone also please remember: DSM's are DOMESTIC. EVERY one was built in Normal, IL. They are NOT imports.

Half a second I could believe.

Yeah. my car should be running 11's but I am only running 15 psi of boost when this turbos can actually go up to like 30 psi. Thats why I run 12's. I'm too lazy to get out there and tune it up with DSM link. Also, it's my daily driver so I'm trying not to beat the hell out of it..... just yet. But when I get it back, it's tuning time. I'm going for the 30 psi.:icon16:

wow...I would comment on some things but...some of you are really stupid.

gsx would win, alittle more work into the crx it would be close.

Nobody cares about what would happen if he did more work to the honda, the fact is he didn't. The GSX would kill it as it is right now and I am confident that it wouldn't even be fair at all. An argument could be made about any cars potential but if you want to talk about that then go to the car comparison forum and start a thread.

Nobody cares about what would happen if he did more work to the honda, the fact is he didn't. The GSX would kill it as it is right now and I am confident that it wouldn't even be fair at all. An argument could be made about any cars potential but if you want to talk about that then go to the car comparison forum and start a thread.

BlackGT's got my back.......:p

That's alot of back to be supportin' too :tongue:

Of course the GSX is going to destroy the CRX, but those Rex's are a very unpredictable whenever you race a random one. You never knopw what they are packing these days. Sometimes a B16, B18, or H22. Hardly anyone leaves the stock motor in them nowadays. Well, atleast IMO. If I remember correctly you run 11's don't you Savior?

I agree that they can be made to be fast, its just that this one won't be fast enough.

Oh of course, and everyone here knows it too. There's always the probability of "what if?" Well in this scenario, there is no what if. We all know what the CRX has, so that's it. Nothing else. He's going to lose, it doesn't matter. Savior was just curious to know what it is capable of for the moment. Once everyone knew that he would win no prob, few decided to throw in the "what if" possibilities. Face it, the Rex is going to lose this race. End of story...

Amen :smile:

did you dumbasses not see where I said the gsx would win....?

it would win all day long.

but alittle more work into the motor of the crx and it would be close if he could hook up...ide rather see a good close race than a blow out...dont know about you guys..

Don't know about you, nobody cares about if he had more work, he dosn't have more work.

ok noob

you must just think im saying that because its a crx...

If it was any car with potential I would have said it.

did you dumbasses not see where I said the gsx would win....?

keep it cool civicHB, a little to harsh buddy

I just wanted to get my point across because it was overlooked the first time....probably not but a smartass comment was made implying it was not.

Maybe because I drive a crx? But put any car in its place with potential and I would have said the same thing.

Every car has potential, that is really not the issue. I never brought anything up about brand loyalty either so don't start that. You really ought to chill out a little.

Then keep your smartass comments to yourself.

Chill out, you are giving more smart comments than I am. I am stopping now anyway because this is way off topic.

Im chill buddy, its ok dont cry, your comment was not needed you asked for it by typing it and you know this.

gsx would win!...there back on topic

Both of you...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/232382fhqwhgads.jpg

civracer makes strongsad cry.

is the grape popsicle out of the shop yet?

is the grape popsicle out of the shop yet?

:rofl: I have a dirty mind...

I took that as a sexual reference :lol:

But, I think he said it would be in for 3 weeks, and as far as I can tell, it's only been a week and a half...

keepin this alive because i want to see the out come . civicHBsi91 dont fight with him you know he is only 15 and its not going to matter what you say he want understand. he is some redneck that just got what he thinks is a typewriter with a t.v. taped to it and found his way here so dont pay him any mind. just a little 4g help civicHBsi91...










gsx is the quicker/faster car at this stage

I'm looking foward to the race too. I call the shop tomarrow to see how the cars doing. Then sometime next week, I get it back......

Dont worry, you guys will be getting a video.

you should record the race an post it.That would be interesting.You sure he is just stock.........or is he running stock jdm parts?I say this because he can easily get a Type S manifold an exhuast manifold from japan an push more power out of that thing while making it still look stock.Also, is it's a JDM h22a then it's pushing out 220 hp.Now i've seen h22a crx's with type s parts run 13.1 at LACR.Now that track sucks for traction let alone the sea level differenece.So that could easily be a 12 sec crx.

But if not then you should take him no problem.

Maybe, but I found out today that it's not a REX but a hatchback. So I'm not too worried anymore, Hell, I beat a JDM B18c5 (Integra Type R engine) Hatchback and he had Cams, Intake, Exhaust, Headers..... all that stuff (fully built). And the Type R hatchback ran 12's, showed me his 12,7 time slip. If it was a H22 car was a crx, I would have been worried. But it's only a hatch so I'm not anymore.

Maybe, but I found out today that it's not a REX but a hatchback. So I'm not too worried anymore, Hell, I beat a JDM B18c5 (Integra Type R engine) Hatchback and he had Cams, Intake, Exhaust, Headers..... all that stuff (fully built). And the Type R hatchback ran 12's, showed me his 12,7 time slip. If it was a H22 car was a crx, I would have been worried. But it's only a hatch so I'm not anymore.


it only ran 12's???

Thats funnny.Because a Type R stock in an integra runs 14's.In a hatch it should run low 14's all day an 13's with traction.Now he told you he had "cams" and "headers"?His stock headers are some of the best that can be found.Also those are bolt ons........that is not fully built.A fully built b18c5 will run 11's easy.Trust me.I'm talking about having the engine balance an blueprinted,having the crank re-balanced,port an polish the head,3 angle valve job,replace the whole valve train,high compression forged pistons with new connecting rods,etc....Thats a fully built engine.Don't say it was fully built cause it had bolt-ons.There is a big difference.I'm not saying you are lying about beating him i mean shyt with those mods you have ur car is a low 12 sec car i bet.I'm just sayin don't tell people you beat a fully built type R hatch that only ran 12's because then people will start to doubt that.

joebowlr21 chill out man . Savior1974 is a good guy he wasnt lieing he just made a mistake . take a Valium!!

Also just because its a Hatch and not a "crx" doesent mean it wont weigh less...my crx for example probably weighs more than alot of hatch's on this board.

You should still win but theres always someone faster and street racing is a hustle...well if your racing for money that is.

an engine needs backpressure to make power..... wtf......


an engine needs exhaust VELOCITY for power

I know that a (fully built) B18c5 Type R in a hatch should be faster than 12's, but that's what he ran. He also showed me his 12 sec time slip and he said he was fully built, that's why I hade Fully built in parenthesis like that........

I never like to say fully built because I believe there's no such thing as fully built.... What is "Fully Built"? Hell, even pro dragsters aren't "Fully Built" there's always room for more.

And usually in most cases, the CRX is lighter than the Civic Hatch.

joebowlr21 chill out man . Savior1974 is a good guy he wasnt lieing he just made a mistake . take a Valium!!
What are you talking about???

I never said he wasn't a good guy, i just stated he should say fully built because it doesn't seem that way.Also i even stated he's got a fast car so it's not like i'm hating on him.Until his post about the fully built i didn't kno what he was talking about but i kno now.

N e wayz.............about wieght...............i believe that the same generation hatch as CRX is 200lbs heavier in stock form compared to the HF crx which is the lightest of all of them.I have a DX CRX and it is probably only a 100 pounds or so lighter then a hatch so i would still worry a lil bit.Can't wait to hear who won though.

an engine needs backpressure to make power..... wtf......


an engine needs exhaust VELOCITY for power
I have no idea in all hell what this post is refering to...but in reality you need both.

You'd take him from a launch, no contest. From a roll it'd be closer, but i'd still give you the definite win. (And this is coming from an H22 owner)

Good Luck. Vids maybe? :smokin:

Yeah. my car should be running 11's but I am only running 15 psi of boost when this turbos can actually go up to like 30 psi. Thats why I run 12's. I'm too lazy to get out there and tune it up with DSM link. Also, it's my daily driver so I'm trying not to beat the hell out of it..... just yet. But when I get it back, it's tuning time. I'm going for the 30 psi.:icon16:


You have a DSM link+ all the supporting mobs and runnin your 60-1 at 15psi? Your not even in the 12's with that boost let alone barely in the 13's. The 60-1 dosent even hit hard untill 19+ psi and thats a good tune. Im not trying to throw salt in your game. But ive been thru a 50 trim, 60-1 and now a GT35R and know without 20+ PSI your not even within those times. You have all the mods to run 11's yes. But without running 20+ PSI, race gas and a mildly good tune. You might be in for a suprise aganst a no boost lag N/A 12 sec car.

hey signal748? how'd you get a pic of my car in your sig??? j/k...and good luck to ya...hopefully you can scratch one up for the dsm's... :grinyes:

Sorry for the lack of updating. Still waiting to get my baby back (insurance is really giving me some major problems). So no updates as of yet.

I actually know that my car runs 12's as it sits. I've raced numerous 12sec - low 13 sec cars and beat them, I beat a M3, 03 Cobra, Modded WS6, Evo XIII, STI's, Supercharged 2002 Mustang GT, Civic Hatch with B18C5 swap, Talon TSI/AWD with Evo 16g(girlfriend driving, missed second, still walked the Talon), 05 Mustang GT (missed second gear bad, got back on it and continued to pull), 04 GTO (LS1).

I've even posted videos of my car running and also of my setup on this site. I think I've proven my credibility enough on this site by my kill list, videos, and stories.

:crying: I miss my car........

BTW: You said I might be suprised my a N/A no turbo lag 12 sec car. I've beaten cars with no lag. Actually my car doesn't even experience Lag with my turbo. Thats the beauty of 5500 rpm launches and ALL WHEEL DRIVE.

Good luck mang

so you beat a M3, a Cobra, a Modded WS6, a Evo XIII, a STI's, a Supercharged 2002 Mustang GT, a Civic Hatch with B18C5 swap, a Talon TSI/AWD with Evo 16g, a 05 Mustang GT, and a LS1 GTO and your afraid of a h22 cicic w/ no exhaust? :gay: :gay: :gay:

It's a CRX, not a Civic. CRX's are much lighter than a Civic is, and he was questionable about it, never said he was scared of it. Plus, he didn't know exactly what was done to it either.

k whatever.
he seems scaired but from the sound of the mods, its probably not even a 13 sec car.

so you beat a M3, a Cobra, a Modded WS6, a Evo XIII, a STI's, a Supercharged 2002 Mustang GT, a Civic Hatch with B18C5 swap, a Talon TSI/AWD with Evo 16g, a 05 Mustang GT, and a LS1 GTO and your afraid of a h22 cicic w/ no exhaust? :gay: :gay: :gay:
:rofl:

crx's are much lighter than civics. an h22 swap will almost make me say damn.

LOL, I'll post the M3 vid up again later I guess.......

I wasn't scared, Just I know power to weight is a big factor and I know that a stock H22 puts out about 200 hp with the light weight of the crx. Almost 1hp per 10lbs. but I dont know too much about honda's thats why I asked. I damn sure aint scared.

Edit: BTW Why do people always gotta talk shit?

Edit: BTW Why do people always gotta talk shit?Cause they are usually full of it.

Cause they are usually full of it.

Like you for example :biggrin:

J/K...

LOL, I'll post the M3 vid up again later I guess.......

I wasn't scared, Just I know power to weight is a big factor and I know that a stock H22 puts out about 200 hp with the light weight of the crx. Almost 1hp per 10lbs. but I dont know too much about honda's thats why I asked. I damn sure aint scared.

Edit: BTW Why do people always gotta talk shit?


Hmm, a 10:1 weight to power ratio isn't much to worry about bro.

C5 Z06, 3200lbs + 405hp = 7.9:1

My old 240z, 2200lb + 300hp = 7.3:1
Although, My car may of had a better weight to power ratio than a Z06. I didn't have the power to keep up, I played with one once... and I was competitive till about 80mph. And I got walked... luckily the race didn't go much faster than 80mph.

I don't think you'll have much trouble with the CRX man... AWD will get you out of the hole fast. And turbaahh power should keep you ahead.

Your right red, but with them crx's you never know. Just trying to get everyone else's opinion, in case I didn't know what I was talking about.

To be honest, I already know I would win. Just wanted to talk to you guys about it.That damn H22 Crx for sure isn't putting down 12's. Plus with all that H22 torque (lol honda torque) to the front wheels, He would never be able to launch with me, let alone keep up through the 1/4 mile. I would win from start to finish, and keep pulling afterwards.


By the way, I wish I would have gotten my car back before you sold the panda......... Would have be cool to get a video of us racing. It was a 12 sec car right? I'm not too far from you.

12 second car on a good day, with maybe drag radials and a perfect launch.

But, realisticly low 13s. According to the Gtech 13.4 @ 106mph. With 2000LS1Z28's big ol butt riding shotgun on a back road which wasn't the best for traction. Fun times.

I'm sure you'll win against the Honda. To be honest, if he doesn't have slicks/DR's, he's gonna be hosed. AWD advantage on the street is huge. Thank goodness for my BFG Drag Radials.

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