Hey what's up guys'. As some of you know I have a 95' GSR 2dr. Well I had the engine rebuilt but had a few problems with that. So I decided to sell it. But then just changed my mind the other day. I'm just gonna go with another swap. But I can't decide which one. I really want the Integra Type R complete swap which I can get for $4000 at a local shop. But that's a little too step and I'm wondering if that's even an over-rated setup to begin with or not. Then there's the H22. But once again I heard it's kinda over-rated plus I know it will require more modifications to fit. I wouldn't even consider an LSVTEC just because of the fact that I don't like Frankenstein setups. I want something that will be VERY reliable, that won't blow up on me and that has some balls. The cheapest route I would take would be to just put another B18c1 in my car but I don't know if that's quite fast enough for me. Any suggestions?

b18c1 and turbo

Wow, thanks for the fast response. But do you really think that will work? Doesn't the GSR motor have too much compression?

just dont boost too high and get a good tuner, or if youre rebuilding it, instead of buying OEM pistons get a little lower Comp, like 9.5:1 thats what im doing

Are you doing that with a B18c1? What brand turbo, about how much cost and about how much performance gains? Also if I buy one of those cheap turbo kits out there ($1000) how do I know if it's street legal and will I get my car impounded? Thanks for the help.

greddy turbo kits, idk who else makes a carb legal kit.

also if you have the money then go pistons cause the ringlands are the leakest link. i also wouldnt go more than 8psi on a stock gsr motor

well, what im doing with my b18c1 isnt ordinary...

OK, but what do you guys think of the B18c5?

And what do you mean that what your doing is out of the ordinary? What exactly are you doing to it if you don't mind me asking?

Turboing the ITR engine is a waste of $, it has higher compression than the GS-R anyways. Definently consider the GS-R w/turbo.

if u want reliable...
then go NA..jus drop the itr motor and u'll b fine...
u can go NA with h22 also...

its useless to get a itr swap and throw a turbo on it because to be reliable u gotta change all the internals that make a type r a type r...

but gsr is a strong motor...and u can reliably boost it and run at low psi..and its lower compression than itr

Yes, thank you guys but I already knew all that. I didn't mean I was thinking of turbo charging an ITR motor. That would be a waste of money. What I meant was do you think a N/A ITR engine could compare well to a boosted GSR or LS or H22 motor?

One more question. If I do go and buy a turbo kit (Greddy) for a GSR motor will it make a difference if I go later on and change the internals. What I mean is that with lower compression later on won't I need a bigger turbo or can you really crank up the boost on a GSR specific turbo? Also is it possible to just bolt it on yourself or do you need professionals to do the install. I dropped the engine in my car with somebody elses help. And I've done numerous other thing by myself. But is this a very hard task?

a turbo kit shouldnt be hard becuase it seems you know your way around an engine, and dont crank the boost too much with out gettting your block sleeved.

let me see if i got this right..
do i think that a stock itr will compare well against a boosted gsr, h22 or ls....

boosted will be faster!

No I didn't exactly mean stock. I kinda meant "dollar for dollar" comparison. I mean if you put a little bit of money into the ITR motor to even out to the cost of the boosted GSR, would you have a pretty close call or no?

No I didn't exactly mean stock. I kinda meant "dollar for dollar" comparison. I mean if you put a little bit of money into the ITR motor to even out to the cost of the boosted GSR, would you have a pretty close call or no?
If you put a $1K-2K into the ITR, it'd cost the same as a GS-R and turbo. You can find a ITR for a little under $5K and a GS-R turbo will cost around $3K for the engine and $2K-3K for the turbo kit. In that case the boosted GS-R will still be faster than an ITR with $1K-2K put into it; if that's what you ment.

Thankyou, that was helpfull. But I just have to ask one more thing. Where do you live because those are some pretty high prices for the engines you listed. I live in Los Angeles County and I can buy a complete used ITR swap for $4000 at a local shop. That's engine, tranny, ecu, axles. Even the GSR price you listed is kinda high. Sorry I just had to mention that.

Oh, I'm in central NY so we don't have any place around here that imports engines. I was just quoting average prices from places online that sell them. And the majority of places online are located in Cali, so I'm sure there are hundereds of shops that get them and sell them for cheaper.

Not considering cost, would it be better to boost a B18 or a B20? I mean because I heard that with a B20 you can only boost it a little bit because of the weak cylinder walls. So wouldn't you be able to safely get more HP out of the B18 even though it has less displacement?

yep, thats what ive heard

hey civic spoon what part of ny u from???
i'm in nyc...
i actually found a place in long island that sell jdm engines...lol the [rice is def laughable though..
they told me $3300 for a gsr engine tranny and ecu..only..and obd1...lol i was laughing...
u people that live out in socal have no idea how good u guys have it compared to us in the northeast..we only have the canadian shops cause cali charges too much shipping

Ok, one more question and I'll leave you alone. I just want to make sure I get it right this time because it's not cheap to keep swapping your engine. I just had one done 3 month's ago (even though I did it myself) and now I'm gonna have it done again (probably professionaly to save time). Anyways do you think it's better to build and boost a GSR or LS engine? Not considering cost. I mean because the B18c1 has better oiling because of the oil squirter's right?

if ur going to build and boost both...
i would go with gsr..it'll cost u more but u'll see better results...
if u were going na i would still go gsr..
but ths jus me...

but ls is a good platform for boost
actually ls is a great platform for boost...but i'm just a gsr lover i guess...

Thankyou, that definately helped.

hey civic spoon what part of ny u from???
i'm in nyc...
i actually found a place in long island that sell jdm engines...lol the [rice is def laughable though..
they told me $3300 for a gsr engine tranny and ecu..only..and obd1...lol i was laughing...
I'm in Syracuse. We don't have anything around here. I don't even know of any places around here that do engine swaps, other than where my friend works on side jobs at. And forget about trying to find a dyno anywhere within a few hours of here (at least none that do import tuning). Of course there are a ton of places that sell domestic engines and do tuning for those. Though that's not surprising since we have the Syracuse Nationals with all the hot rods every year at the NY State Fairgrounds. I bet that place in long island buys their engines from a supplier out in Cali, it'd be way too expensive to ship it in directly from Japan on the East Coast.

And yet one more question. Do I have to build my head if I go turbo? I mean do I have to upgrade my valve train or anything? Or should I get it ported and polished?

while its off. you may as well have it ported and polished, and while its apart... you may as well upgrade your valvetrain... but you dont NEED to.

i think im gonna get a B20 for my car, but i wanna boost it but probably never will. My friend has a stock supercharged GSR and hes running 10 psi with no problem.

I'm in Syracuse. We don't have anything around here. I don't even know of any places around here that do engine swaps, other than where my friend works on side jobs at. And forget about trying to find a dyno anywhere within a few hours of here (at least none that do import tuning). Of course there are a ton of places that sell domestic engines and do tuning for those. Though that's not surprising since we have the Syracuse Nationals with all the hot rods every year at the NY State Fairgrounds. I bet that place in long island buys their engines from a supplier out in Cali, it'd be way too expensive to ship it in directly from Japan on the East Coast.

i'm looking into jdmsource...they are in canada..so shipping to east coast is tolerable..usually around 150-200...
as opposed to hmo and others in cali that'll charge close to $400...

the place is long island first of all is ripping people off since all they r giving for the price r the engine tranny and ecu only...
but liek u said they r also probably paying a hefty price gettin the shyt..
there r a lot of places that will do the swap for u down here...
with jdm swaps there's the hassle of figuring out the wiring harness from lhd to rhd...i'm considering having the swap done..since i dun have another car to get around..and i'm gonna need mines up and running asap..
i envy cali people...what we order online..is a few minutes drive for them to go and pick up...lol...:banghead:

That's funny because I've seen plenty of place's on ebay from the mid west and east coast that sell complete jdm swap's. There's one from Ohio right now on ebay. Just look for (gsr engine). But yeah, we do have alot of place's out here in CA. that sell jdm engine's. But you guy's are lucky because you can get some good European (German, ect.) engine's. My last car was a 01' Volkswagen GTI VR6. Very fast.

id go for a turboed engine just set the boost at 8 to 10 and you will be fine with reliability you dont have to do anything to the internals till your thinking of doing some seriouse hp such as over 300