I was posting my rescent story and I thought about this. So I wondered who do you have marked down for "Wanting to Kill"? I have been thinking about this since the new mods have come in, and there have been quite a few cars on my list that I would just love to take a stab at. Here's my list:

Audi A4 (which I already did, kill)
94-01 Acura Integra GSR
200? Hyundai Tiburon V6
2K+ VW Jetta 1.8T
VW Jetta GLX VR6 (need some revenge)
94-98 Mustang GT (Just want to see if I can beat a V8 :naughty: )
99-03 Mustang V6
Newer Mitsubishi Galant

There are a few more than I can't remember at the moment. But, either way, I just wanted to see if there's anyone else who has thought about the same thing as I have. Please, post them. L8...

Jetta/golf VR6
BMW 328
another maxima(never raced one)
Acura RSX-S or TSX, not picky
anything american with a V8
B16 swapped CRXs will always be on my shit list

I dunno... haven't really raced in forever... so... I really don't care.

Maybe another Lightning... or a C6 Corvette (which I'd probably lose too)... another STi... or an EVO MR.

I dunno, don't care. heh.

:naughty:

The new BMW 320i when it's out
The audi A4
The mercedes slk (want to win against one of the nicer MB)
A stock integra type-r

Some exotics would be cool now and then. They will deffinately win but it would be cool. :lol2:

Um, I don't know if I'll even remember them all.

1) turbo supra...I've run into the NAs, but no turbos

2) cocky guy at work with modded ws6...at this poinnt he would beat me, but one damn day I wanna just wipe the floor with him, even if I have to spend 10 grand to do it.

3) cocky guy at works' other car, a built and turbod cavalier that he is saying will be in the 13s, 12s, 11s, etc...who knows what it will run, but I'm sick of hearing about it.

4) Old school ferrari up here at school that comes out when the weather gets nicer...but he wont run.

5) nsx...same deal as the ferrari, owner wont run

6) orange lotus elise that I used to see all the time, but we never met on the road, but I haven't seen him in months.

7) My best friend is building up a 80s TA with a built, bored and stroked 350 in it. It's fast, but will be a whole lot faster when he gets traction before 4th gear. So he is saving for a new rear and tranny, but when we are both where we want to be...it'll be fun.

8) Not all to sure about this one, but a friend of a friend has a 12 second chevelle, he seems cool and says he'd run sometime. Not really on my hit list...but a possible future race.

9) I haven't raced one of those '05 stangs yet...

10) Same with the gto...I just haven't gotten to run against one yet.

I'm probably forgetting some, but those are the ones that come to mind first.

As of right now just these 2 Cougers running around with those one size fit all spoilers and mufflers that i can fit my head in.

As for a serious race my friends 2 mustangs. A 68 Once he gets another tranny in *built 2 1st time used stock parts as soon as he gunned it it upchecked its guts, 2nd one used good quailty parts same deal now is going with pure drag tranny.* and his 94 5.0 mustang last i herd a whole new exhaust high flow headers,h-pipe and 2 flow master 40s.

454SS(the 90s truck)
Dakota R/T
Da Hemi

CivicRacer95!!!

id love to beat one of my old friends with an eclipse 4cyl auto into the ground cause hes gettin all kinds of attitude with me for no reason. actin hard cause his womans around.

I'd be happy to have and win ANY race, who cares what car :p

Good to see you're all jealous of the VR6 though ... those things are wicked fast.

Those of you who listed A4, there are multiple engines availible ... the 1.8T as well as a 6-cyl model (output has varied). Now there will be the new 16v FSI 2.0T ... that engine is going to slay the Asian competiton for the time being! Hope I get the pleasure in riding one of those some day.

Regarding the Audis...I've heard many varried things about them. From what little research I have done, the new 2.0T FSI is no more powerfull than the current 1.8T, and even then, the 3.0 runs times near the 1.8T. After reading this, I've started trying to gun after some Audi 3.0s just to test that theory, as I know I can take a 1.8T. Right now I'm 1-1 on 98 V8 Stangs, so I want to get one more. The only other person I'm actively going after is a 240SX back home. I was an idiot, and lost in the launch, but now he wont race again, and its pissin me off.

i just thought about this cause i saw a chrysler 300 with a hemi on the highway... i would love to run one of those hemi cars, i know theyd stomp me but i kinda wanna see how fast they actually are

I don't really care, I'll race anything.

Also, when the GTC is done, nobody will be safe as long as I get it done right.

C6 Corvette
Z06 C5 Corvette
LS2 powered GTO
BMW M3's
Stage 2, stage 3 SRT-4's
Ferrari, any exotic really
Supercharged Mustangs
Any ricer

Short end of the list. There are a lot of modded cars out there, and damn near anything can be fast. Hard to pick your battles.

Swapped civic hatchback is my main focus. 0 and 3 sucks
Integra. Never raced an integra
Spec V. Soon

SRT-4
99-05 stang GT
350Z
S2000
WRX
LT1
S4
G35
Boxster S
R32

There are tons more, but i would love to see one of these on the highway driving "spirited".

Well, I have never tried to pick a race at the track (and don't plan on starting) but I sure would like to beat the girl that drives a rail (dragster), lol. I've raced her twiced and red lighted against her both times (like .498 once, and .497 or .496 or somethign the other time).

Her and I'd like to race my uncle in the finals again. I beat him the first time, well technically, he beat his self, he redlighted, but I would have been hard to have beat that round, had a .501 RT and we both ran off pretty much the same amount.

Hmmm....

LS1, automatic tranny
Lt1
Wrx modded or not
Sti Modded or not
Swapped civic's
350z
cobalt SS
Saturn Redline
turboed 240sx
300zx
Redneck383 (just to see how bad he will beat me)
TatII
to cap it off, Jayson once he gets his Bolt on's

I don't know redneck.. 04 Z06s been putting the hurtin' down on them C6s around here. My hit list is always the same:

SRT-4s.
LS1s.

sr20 240sx
ka-t 240sx (tatII???)
5.0 mustangs
00 (and around that) stang gt
350z
s2000
wrx (not a sti)
ANY mr2

specific races:
my best friend's wrx
FD rx7 (some guy i know)
rsx type s (some kid who used to have a civic has one)
3.5L altima that i raced a while back (and i keep seeing him around)
92 prelude with body kit (kid i knew from high school)
fox body stang
and lastly the mr2 i lost to in january.

I don't know redneck.. 04 Z06s been putting the hurtin' down on them C6s around here. My hit list is always the same:

SRT-4s.
LS1s.

Come on down to az and you can kill 2 birds with one stone :)
My friend has a mostly stock LS1 and me in my Srt-4 :evillol:

kill is definitely right. :)

I want to run Dampachi once his blower is installed. Would be a hell of a race.

LS-1's

I want to run Dampachi once his blower is installed. Would be a hell of a race.


If everyone from AF.com pitched in a few bucks we could make it happen. :)

I don't know redneck.. 04 Z06s been putting the hurtin' down on them C6s around here. My hit list is always the same:

SRT-4s.
LS1s.


True... I haven't raced anything in 2 months.. car has been outta commision.



And... Dampachi with a 1/4 of 14.6, you might have a one hell of a time with an LS1. ;)

Muahaha and one hell of a time with meh sartie MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I wanna run against a hemi once i get my shiftkit and ignition installed.

I blame that low ET on the track. LS1s were running low 14s, and SRT-4s were running 15s. But, one with some mods ran some 13.7s.

I'm looking for a Viper
There's a red one here, but he wont run 1/4 or top end. I asked him why he baught the car. He said to pickup gals.

^What car do you want to run him with?

I want to run Dampachi once his blower is installed. Would be a hell of a race.
Dunno my buddy Steve (Pendragon on LS1.com) smoked an S/C'ed 98 Cobra several times (Vortech at 6 psi), and this was before he added a cam or his nitrous. Dampachi may think that 8 psi is gonna add over 100 whp, but realistically I don't see him going above 350 whp. I think you'll win (Depending on whether or not you have traction). My hit list is:

Matty (240Z turbo) - wanna kill his car (No not ram it)
Javary (355 whp 300ZX TT)
03/04 Cobra
03/04 Mach 1 (This will happen, oh yes it Will).

^What car do you want to run him with?

My little street toy. Under ideal conditions the best a stock Viper has done is 11.77

I've heard about this Grand National in the area with Hypsi87 on the plates, i might have to kick his ass with the LeSabre here soon... :uhoh:

I've heard about this Grand National in the area with Hypsi87 on the plates, i might have to kick his ass with the LeSabre here soon... :uhoh:


LOL Bring it. :evillol:

anything italian,
german-911 with good drivers,
uk -aston martin,and lotus

japan im finished with japan. ive come down to the last car aside from a skyline i cannot beat is an sti.

did not metion any american brand because the olny thing im interested in is the corvette. and i had a incident with one of those already

Dunno my buddy Steve (Pendragon on LS1.com) smoked an S/C'ed 98 Cobra several times (Vortech at 6 psi), and this was before he added a cam or his nitrous. Dampachi may think that 8 psi is gonna add over 100 whp, but realistically I don't see him going above 350 whp. I think you'll win (Depending on whether or not you have traction). My hit list is:

Matty (240Z turbo) - wanna kill his car (No not ram it)
Javary (355 whp 300ZX TT)
03/04 Cobra
03/04 Mach 1 (This will happen, oh yes it Will).

If I didn't add over 100whp than I'd only have like 330rwhp. I can put down 360rwhp untuned with the 8psi kit. I say "390rwhp" but that's a little bit of an understatement. Don't worry buddy, my shit will run 11s on drag radials. Everybodys got a friend whose uncles cousin beat a supercharged cobra in -insert car here-. I hardly see how that would have any bearing on this situation. But what does, is actual numbers. Show me a 99+ gt mustang with an 8psi vortech kit running less than 360rwhp. You might find one running like 350rwhp..but it'll be an auto. Just let me know when you think you know everything about my car and what I'll realistically make so I can show you all the proof you need that my car will make 360rwhp like it's nothing.

Calm Down.

If I didn't add over 100whp than I'd only have like 330rwhp. I can put down 360rwhp untuned with the 8psi kit. I say "390rwhp" but that's a little bit of an understatement. Don't worry buddy, my shit will run 11s on drag radials. Everybodys got a friend whose uncles cousin beat a supercharged cobra in -insert car here-. I hardly see how that would have any bearing on this situation. But what does, is actual numbers. Show me a 99+ gt mustang with an 8psi vortech kit running less than 360rwhp. You might find one running like 350rwhp..but it'll be an auto. Just let me know when you think you know everything about my car and what I'll realistically make so I can show you all the proof you need that my car will make 360rwhp like it's nothing.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/232382calmdown.JPG

where the heck do you get all those pictures civracer, you got one hell of a hidden resource i think...

Ah you know, I'm creative. Sometimes I'll just find a picture with no words, and then just write them in myself. If I like it, I'll use it. If not, it'll wait until the moment arrives. All about timing. But in this case, I found this picture. And sure enough, it came to good use. L8...

haha, that pictures great. I'm sorry fo' skurry da kiddies. :(

The chillens are alright. They're taking a nap. Now BOT!! L8...

My calculations, 380whp is about 430 crank hp.

Car weight... 3242lbs + 150lb driver (assuming) + 55lbs (roughly half tank) = 3455lbs

430bhp '99 Mustang GT, a nice car. But according to my calculations. That'll put you at 12.26 @ 109.8mph with a perfect run and with no wind.

For comparisons sake, My car with it's 300hp and 2383lb weight on a perfect run with no wind should get me 12.22 @ 110.2mph. Realisticly, I'm probably 12.8 at the very best. 13 flat is more probable with me behind the wheel.

So....... 11's eh?

Good assumption..I weigh 153 pounds. And, you're not taking into consideration my gearing and 315 drag radials. And when I say 11s..I mean high 11s. Not to mention how did you get those estimates for the trap speeds? They're somewhat low. It'd be more like 114ish.

It'd be more like 114ish.
In that case, in order for you to pull a 11 second pass, you need to cut at least a 1.7 60', probably closer to 1.65.
As much as I would like to see you hit 11's, I also don't think you will quite have enough. Low 12's are calling though!! Still very impressive.

I agree, nothing wrong with 12s!

I used Virtual Engine Calculator... ZGringo told me about it. Said it's pretty accurate, and since he races professionally... I'll take his word on it.

I'm pretty sure I can hit 11s with a 1.8 60'. If not..I'll just have a very solid 12 second car until I can afford vortechs aftercooler. THEN I'll see 11s.


BTW: I almost run 1.9s on street tires. Cheapo 245s, mind you. 315 drag radials BETTER cut a tenth off my 60'.

First off we have 2 cars.
Car "A" weighs 3200lbs 380HP
Car "B" weighs 2300lbs 300HP

No friggen way will a car that weighs 900lbs more beat a car that weighs 900lbs lighter with only 80 more HP.
All thing being equal and ideal, such as tires, suspension, launch and traction the lighter car with 300HP should run a 12.07, and the heaver car with 380HP a 12.46.
Now for every lb. loss on a car you'll gain about 1/10 second. so if car "A" could lose 400lbs. then we'd have a match. Or if car "A" wuold increase his HP from 380 to 416 then we'd have a match.
Lies figure, but figure don't lie.
I'm not saying anyone's lying but trust me, figures don't lie.

I mean..it's all fine and dandy to bench race and all..but I've seen my setup run high 11s. Over and over.

the only problem with that is one has 250 whp and the other has 380 whp.

I mean..it's all fine and dandy to bench race and all..but I've seen my setup run high 11s. Over and over.

Well, there's really only one way to find out, and that's just do it, take it to a track, and see what it does, lol.

Then they'll be no two ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Well, there's really only one way to find out, and that's just do it, take it to a track, and see what it does, lol.

Then they'll be no two ifs, ands, or buts about it.


:1:

I mean..it's all fine and dandy to bench race and all..but I've seen my setup run high 11s. Over and over.
I don't doubt you, but your putting out more power than you claim. Like 470HP to clock a 11.96
And like Mr. chevtrucks92 says, only one way to find out.

Like we say, when the green flag drops, the bull shit stops.
Whatever it is, 11 or 12's it's a quick car

In that case, in order for you to pull a 11 second pass, you need to cut at least a 1.7 60', probably closer to 1.65.
As much as I would like to see you hit 11's, I also don't think you will quite have enough. Low 12's are calling though!! Still very impressive.


I did 11.78@113-114 all the time.... with 1.63 sixty foots
:icon16:


Slicks are the shit

I'm pretty sure I can hit 11s with a 1.8 60'. If not..I'll just have a very solid 12 second car until I can afford vortechs aftercooler. THEN I'll see 11s.


BTW: I almost run 1.9s on street tires. Cheapo 245s, mind you. 315 drag radials BETTER cut a tenth off my 60'.


man, you have to have CRAZY power to run 11's with a 1.8 60' .

I have gotten 1.84 60's on my street tires and the best I could muster is a 12.3.

man, you have to have CRAZY power to run 11's with a 1.8 60' .

I have gotten 1.84 60's on my street tires and the best I could muster is a 12.3.

Thanks Hypsi87, Like I said, he has to have alot more power than he says to cut a 12.

Okay..see..I hate building myself up to only dissapoint myself in the end. So for one..when I say 390rwhp..I mean at the least. And when I say 1.8 60 foots..I definitely mean faster. I'm almost cutting 1.9s on cheapo 245s. So imagine 315 drag radials. Remember, everything I say is a slight understatement. Plus I street race..so I'm not giving out all of my 'secrets' on an easily accessible forum. So trust me, I'll run 11s. :wave:

i believe in you.

Okay..see..I hate building myself up to only dissapoint myself in the end. So for one..when I say 390rwhp..I mean at the least. And when I say 1.8 60 foots..I definitely mean faster. I'm almost cutting 1.9s on cheapo 245s. So imagine 315 drag radials. Remember, everything I say is a slight understatement. Plus I street race..so I'm not giving out all of my 'secrets' on an easily accessible forum. So trust me, I'll run 11s. :wave:
Remember though, just becuase you have wider meats on the rear, don't mean you have a ton more contact patch. Are you getting rims for these 315's??
Keep in mind, more power gonna need planted as well. I bet you still cut 1.8's. But not much better.

Good luck either way!! I would love for you to report to us that you got that 11!!!!!

Damp i am very doubtful of your claims. sorry hurry up and get all you go fasts on yer car and give me some times :).

BTW no i wont give you money to hurry you up :P

245 to 315 is a huge leap. and yeah..03 cobra rims. in satin.

Damp i am very doubtful of your claims. sorry hurry up and get all you go fasts on yer car and give me some times :).

BTW no i wont give you money to hurry you up :P

eh..it's probably not doubtfulness..probably just jealousy.

245 to 315 is a huge leap. and yeah..03 cobra rims. in satin.
I know. But like I said, you have to make sure you have the tire on the ground. I can put a 315 on my rims, but it won't give me much more actual contact patch than my 275's. Sidewall starts bowing. That is why I was asking about your rims. Wasn't sure what you could fit on the stockers.

And man, I ain't jealous. :smokin:
I see your Vortech, and raise it a stroker. :icon16:

Like I said before, I hope you prove me wrong.

Damp.... you say you street race and you don't want to give away any 'secrets'?

You ran a 14.6... what secrets can you have?:lol:

Not talkin down on ya man, but c'mon... you can't Bullshit a Bullshitter. I've got a PHd in the field.

hey buddy, if it was jealousy he probably would have said something like this

Damp i am very jealous of your claims.

get off your high horse and run an 11, until then, your still in a mid 14 second car - that handles like a mako.

Amen.

Just letting you know...if I was worried about people knowing my setup..why would I post my quarter mile times and not be worried about that? Hell I might change that shit to '14.9@94mph'.


BTW: I wasn't saying you're jealous, Mr Luos..you're cool as shit and ain't got nothing to be jealous of. If anything I'm jealous of your car.

Just put the damn supercharger on and tell us how fast you ran. I'm going to side with the majority though, 11's is a pretty big drop in time.

how much psi do you plan on running?

hey buddy, if it was jealousy he probably would have said something like this



get off your high horse and run an 11, until then, your still in a mid 14 second car - that handles like a mako.



Whoa there buddy. Don't talk down on mid 14 second cars or cars that don't handle so well. Remember..you have a supercharged GSR. Probably running mid 14s. And I doubt it handles like it's on rails..so yeah.

how much psi do you plan on running?

8psi.

I just asked a friend about someone he knows (I've met the guy) who ran 10 psi and managed a 12.2. I don't know what his 60' was though.

Good luck my man.

Keep us informed of the progress/install!!

Mr. Dampachi, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you are cutting a 1.8@60' and turning in a trap time of 11.99 you have alot more power than you estimate.
This just a example: If your car was setup perfect, the track surface perfect, had perfect tire combination and made a perfect launch, a 3500lb. car would need 450HP at the flywheel to run a 12.13@111.7MPH. Now with all said being perfect to drop your time to 11.12@122.2 you'd need to drop your cars weight 1,000lbs or increase your flywheel HP to 600. The faster you get the harder it is to obtain and the cost go's up real fast.
Shut everybody up and go post a time and tell us what it is. I trust you, just tell us what you run. Don't be ashamed of driving a 12 second car. Your in the Viper class.
But don't let your aligator mouth overload your canary ass. It'll only get you in trouble.
There's a old saying, It's better to remain silent and make people wonder, than to open you mouth and remove all doubt.
Peace brother, now go run a 11 for me would you?

Whoa there buddy. Don't talk down on mid 14 second cars or cars that don't handle so well. Remember..you have a supercharged GSR. Probably running mid 14s. And I doubt it handles like it's on rails..so yeah.


They handle the same...

'99 Mustang GT: .86 g
'99 Integra GSR: .84 g

'97 Integra Type R: .89 g
'99 Mustang SVT Cobra: .88 g

99/01 cobras handle like ass. try an 03/04.

Damp, you like to underestimate other people's cars, but overestimate yours. I think you need to pick a side, your either going to be an optimist or a pessimist, dont be that herb who ups his shit but downs others.. thats not cool. I'm not saying I will, but im pretty sure the norm for sc gsr's is low 14, high 13. stock. Bolt ons bring that down even more.

I guess i was just misinformed about the handling of Stangs, i always thought they were boats. Must be because you dont see too many stangs Autocrossing on speedvision, mostly rsx's, integras, porsches, bmws, stuff like that. By the way, i think my car feels like its on rails. GSR's have a pretty good suspension stock.

I have a friend with a GSR, N/A he's got it running mid 14's with some engine mods. I'm sure a S/C GSR can hit the 13's with some other light mods. As for the whole 11's thing, i dont know if they have this saying everywhere but around here when someone's mouth is quicker than their brain we just say "put up or shut up." So just go to the track and let us know how you do, either way i'm sure it will be a damn fast car with the S/C.

Actually, the Integra has been called one of the best handling FWD chassis ever. Also, Mustangs do handle like pigs stock. I've driven a 2000 Cobra and it didn't handle very good at all. I'm pretty sure an Integra would have no problem out handling a Mustang.

Just remember that skidpad numbers and slalom speeds do not tell you how well a car handles. Let's not also forget that the Integra is a much lighter car.

ive kinda been reading through this thread, its sounds like damapachi is getting a little over anxsious about the supercharger. Just to tell you straight out man, you wont get 100HP on 8 PSI. Expect that 8 PSI to add around 70HP at most. 65 would be more realistic. Simple because for one, its a centrifigal blower which means it only operates at about 60%-70% efficiency. That blower creates more heat than a roots type and consumes more power to turn. WIth my roots supercharger i saw 40HP gain on 4.5 PSI. Thats about 8.8 HP per PSI. Now im not saying with other mods you cant improve the efficiency of the blower some, and bring the cars HP up. But i dont think you will ever see more than 9-10Hp per PSI.

For one, the only cobra they made in 2000 was the cobra R. And if you drove that and think it handles like shit..then you're daily driving a ferrari or something. And just to tell you straight out man, I'll get over 100rwhp on 8psi. I'll show you guys somethings later. Oh, and I'm pretty sure I don't really care about handling..which is why I'm talking about 11 second quarter mile times rather than skidpads and slaloms.

For one, the only cobra they made in 2000 was the cobra R. And if you drove that and think it handles like shit..then you're daily driving a ferrari or something. And just to tell you straight out man, I'll get over 100rwhp on 8psi. I'll show you guys somethings later. Oh, and I'm pretty sure I don't really care about handling..which is why I'm talking about 11 second quarter mile times rather than skidpads and slaloms.

I must be mistaken then, I drove my friends Cobra, it must be a 1999 Cobra. I know it isn't an R and it didn't come with the supercharger stock. He put one on it now but now he has it in the shop because he screwed up the engine on the dyno. The shop didn't put a fan in front of the car and it ended up overheating, then it lost oil pressure and power, and now it has a knock. I figure he threw a bearing. No matter, I told him to never take it to that shop again.

Anyhow, enough of my rambling.

I won't argue with you about the Mustang being a beast on the drag strip though. Show us your dyno graph when you get it on the dyno.

I guess i was just misinformed about the handling of Stangs, i always thought they were boats.


very comon...

I used to have a '73 Mach One that handled like a cruise ship. Probably the heaviest Mustang ever made but that 351C made it a monster.

99/01 cobras handle like ass. try an 03/04.


We're not talking '03/04 Cobra's now are we?

We're talking a '99 GSR and a '99 GT. I only put in the Type R and SVT of those years as comparisons.

You're just like 90% of the Mustang owners, soon as somebody remotely goes after your car, you yell out "03/04 COBRA!" as if it'll save you.

But if you must...

2004 Mustang SVT Cobra: .90g
2004 Integra Type R: 0.89g

Once again, they're so close... it's safe to say they handle the same.

isnt this thread a little bit off topic...

No.

Well, you were using the 99 model cobra..which is probably the worst thing ford ever did with the name 'cobra'. It's slow, it falls apart, and despite it's IRS..it handles like a boat. And redneck..if I can't bring up an 03/04 cobra..then why can you bring up a 99 GSR (he has a 96) and a 99 mustang (i have an 02)?

I thought yours was a '99 Mustang... my bad... but nothing changed for those years... soo.. nevermind.. not my bad.


:p

wait a second... are we talking about mustangs and the phrase "handles well" in the same sentance? in a NON-RACE PREPPED area? :wtf:

as for a 390 hp and a 3200lb car... even with amazing R compound tires with sizing done perfectly... a perfect launch, minimal fuel and a perfect run... you'll probably dip into the 12's...

you are also expecting too much from the tires.


however, i look foreward to seeing some amazing dyno numbers on a healthy engine, and a timeslip :)

Hang on...what's the shame in running 12s?? My friend has spent 20K on his supra (granted only about 1/3 under the hood and granted it's aussie dollars...don't make fun of my country, man, or we'll come throw sticks and stones at you!) and he runs 12.3s.

I really don't see the shame in running 12s after putting a s/c on a 14 sec car? It's hell fast!!

But I for one would really like to see him do 11s even if it is 11.99.