Which would when in a race?

The MC has a 3.8L 200 hp V6, while the Intrigue has a 3.5L 215 hp V6.

Also which is more important displacement or horsepower?

displacement and horsepower do have a close relationship. but having more displacement doesn't always equate to more hp and vice versa. my little 1.8L 4 banger makes more horsepower than some larger V6's and V8's out there. i'd say horsepower is more important. and there are many ways to make more horsepower, more displacement is one way.

this doesn't belong in car comparisons anyway. moving.

horsepower and displacement both mean about the same as the next thing, the weight of the car... think about a lotus elyse with like 190 hp, running roughly the same 1/4 mile time as a 2003 GTO

Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races :D

Probably should be in the non-specific forum. I would say that it would be one close race. I can't pick a winner.

his first question deals solely with street racing

his first question deals solely with street racing
the street racing forum is about racing STORIES, not who would win threads, which car I should buy, etc. That's what the non-specific forum is for.

Depending on the drivers, the weight of the vehicles, and the powerband of the engines I say neck and neck. My reasons below.

Vehicle 1: (My Brother's former vehicle)
1997 Buick LeSabre Custom
Pushrod 12 Valve V6, 231 CID (3.8L) 205 HP
Engine redline 5500 RPM
Vehicle Weight 3441 pounds

Vehicle 2: (My former vehicle)
1995 Chrysler Concorde
SOHC 24 Valve V6, 215 CID (3.5L) 214 HP
Engine Redline 6500 RPM
Vehicle weight 3376 pounds

You would think the Concorde being lighter with more power would flat walk the LeSabre right? Read on.

The Buick has better low end torque due to the more displacement it's engine has, although it never would spin it's tires from a dig especially on a few dragstrip runs we made, it had enough low RPM torque to move the car rather quickly. It's torque band was also relatively smooth throughout the RPM range. If it gets a good enough jump (2 cars or more) on the Concorde off the line it wins everytime.

The Concorde although will chirp it's tires (tripping the Traction Control) on the street, it wouldn't hook on the strip unless staged on the concrete surface instead of the rubber (staging on the rubber with the Traction Control off would smoke the tires from a dead stop for the first 60 feet, with the control on it would buck like a horse! not good on the halfshafts.) and even then it would still chirp them, but the engine is peaky, it doesn't really get into it's stride until the RPM's get past 4000 and once there will pull very hard straight to redline, once underway will start to reel in the Buick. Again if the Concorde gets a good launch (as in good traction) and doesn't loose too much ground to the Buick (less than 2 cars) from a dig, it will eventually overtake the Buick and run away from it.

Both vehicles ran mid 16's at the strip within a tenth of a second on a 80 degree day, (Can't find the slips or I'd post them but both ran about 16.6x - 16.8x that day) we ran 6 times and I won 3 and he won 3. The only time at the strip where the Concorde actually did run away from the Buick just about everytime was on a cooler 50 degree where the Buick got more consistent times posting 16.6x on every run and the Concorde ran 16.2x - 16.3x.

My brother and I both mutually agreed that the cars were equal as a lot of the little street speed contests we did were won by driver reactions, sometimes I won and sometimes he did, all depended on who got the jump on who.

And before the comments come, yes the times posted are considered to be SSSSSLLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWW by today's standards, but heck, these are large family cars, not speed demons, but really for the size they are with only V6 power to move them they really don't run too bad for option ladened family haulers.

200 hp out of a 3.8L uhgg, i think domestic designers need to lay off the jesus juice

intrigue is an oldsmobile. there is a model that has the same 3.8 as the monte carlo.

200 hp out of a 3.8L uhgg, i think domestic designers need to lay off the jesus juice

Was that sarcastic? I hope so.

200 hp out of a 3.8l v6, kinda weak

I have driven both of these engines so here's what I have to offer. My dad had a '97 Grand Prix GT with the 3.8 (exact same encine and chassis as the Monte Carlo) and a '01 Aurora 3.5 (same engine as the Intrigue) I felt that the Aurora was considerably faster than the Grand Prix and that on a track it would run a 15.4 or 15.5 (this was comparing to my taurus that runs 15.8) Most non SC 3.8L W-bodies run high 15's, so I feel that the Intrigue would win in a 1/4 mile race by a few tenths.

2003 GTO


Just fyi there was no GTO in 03...It came back in 04.

my b, i was just hoping not to say the 400 hp one and then get flamed...

200 hp out of a 3.8l v6, kinda weak

Yeah I wish it was more too. :(

How do the low end torque of the two compare?

Some more engine specs

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/317551Compare2.jpg

More Hp/Tq I think he might win, unless his car weighs a lot more than yours.

umm the intrigue has more torque at a lower rpm, less displacement, more horsepower, more valves, more cams, less compression? lol wtf is chevy doing with their monte...

abhahaah oh god do i ever hate domestic v6s, stick to the V8s
Feel that SS POWWAAA
peak torque at 4000 rpm I bet its got a 5500rpm
redline
useless!

the 3.5L DOHC was really expensive to make, thats why they discontinued it. It also made the cars torque steer pretty bad, something that most Olds owners complained about.

abhahaah oh god do i ever hate domestic v6s, stick to the V8s
Feel that SS POWWAAA
peak torque at 4000 rpm I bet its got a 5500rpm
redline
useless!

they redline at 6000.

abhahaah oh god do i ever hate domestic v6s, stick to the V8s
Feel that SS POWWAAA
peak torque at 4000 rpm I bet its got a 5500rpm
redline
useless!

And your car's engine has less HP And TQ than either of these cars. :grinno:

And your car's engine has less HP And TQ than either of these cars. :grinno:
yep and with only 3L

yep and with only 3L

and a 10.1:1 cr Oh ya, the 3.8 u laugh at so much gets better highway mileage too...lol

20/29 city/highway for the 2000 SS
22/28 city/highway for the 2000 max
wow

The V6 pissing contest.

pissing contest? nissan makes a better 6 cylinder - period.