driving down 71 a few nights ago i see a white evo come flying through traffic, im crusing in the open so i slow down a little bit and wait for him to come up, he gose to pass me in the slow lane so i nail it a little to give him an idea of what i wanna do

he gives me this :screwy: look and i was all :naughty:

he motions 3 fingers and tells me to honk, so we slow done to about 40 with clear open spaces ahead of us i honk down and bame were off

i get a slight lead to the end of third, churped into 4th started pulling harder, hit 5th he was about 2-3 car lengths back i shut down about 120 he rolled up gave me the :eek7: and a thumbs up

god i my sentra

you chirped 4th?

uhh your gonna have to show some timeslips, a mod list, and maybe some pics of your car if you want to get legit.

Yeah man show some time slips so i can belive you

i believe u..a 14 sec car would kill an evo from a roll.

:sly:

I'm smelling another flylswi owning coming up if there's no pics...

i believe u..a 14 sec car would kill an evo from a roll.


Not quite check out my post. My srt-4 is a low 14 sec car high 13 sec car and all i did was stay dead even tell 100 when we shut down.

I think this guy has bs written all over his post unless he races a ralliart or something.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t390085.html

I to smell some potential BS in the works. Show proof dude. If you come around here with an outradeous story, then you better have something to back it up with. What mods have been done as well?

God i my sentra? Go to school you must, Important knowledge is. Learn you must, issential is good grammer.

Turbo Spec V eh?

Got Pics?
Got Slips?
Got Dyno?

Untill you can produce such things, I call :bs:.

Prove me wrong sir, prove me wrong.

Perhaps a picture of you by your car with a sign that says "Kiss my ass AF" and one right next to the turbo as well.

proof? ? ? ?

"i'll believe that when me sh!t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert"
super troopers

Hey i understand ive been through this before

ill go through everything for ya

Garret T3/T4 hybrid Turbo
Tial 38mm External Wastgate
Greddy oil adapter
Coated 3" Down pipe
3” mid pipe w/ flex tube
Coated Protech hi-velocity manifold
Garrett intercooler (385HP)
All aluminum intercooler piping
Bosch recirculation BOV
3” aluminum turbo inlet pipe
K&N filter
Billet fuel rail
370cc Delphi injectors
Billet fuel filter
Bosch 1 to 1 ratio Fuel pres regulator
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
Autometer Boost, Oil Pressure, And Exaust Tep Guage
3" custom Exhuast to Mangflow racing edition muffler
Greddy Boost Controler
Greddy Turbo Timer

287WHP@8.5psi

the only pics i can find are the install pics, but my friend has got the dyno vids, and finished pics

im trying to make a car domain sight to post em up at, or someone can tell me how to post them on here

-Parker

You shifted into 5th going 120? What the hell kind of gearing do you have?!

120 is right up where my 5th gear ends (i have a 6 speed)

sorry if i worded that badly

its really not that hard to belive if you think about it

stock an evo puts down 271 at the crank and is somewhere around 3000 pounds

a stock Spec V is rated at 175 at the crank and is about 2710 pounds

now i guess im right around 2800 and with 287whp the race would be in my favor

i churped in 4th becuase i have shitty tires, and yeah i forgot to say love in "god i love my sentra" my bad but i was pumped up to tell my story

Hmmm, well so far you've taken the critisim pretty well.

Get us some pics, sounds like you've got a pretty clean car. About a year back, I almost bought a new Sentra SE-R Spec V... but I got a 240z instead.

like i said im used to having BS called on me

i tried to set up pics, but i got no programs on my computer to change the size of them

if you wanna see pics give me your email and ill send you them

you can change the size with ms paintshop if I'm not mistaken.

cool you sound legit man, nice race.

:bigthumb:

Welcome, you can send some pics to joshjake2003@aol.com and i can resize them for you if you want.

You shifted into 5th going 120? What the hell kind of gearing do you have?!

my 4th gear at redline is 120.

weird. i don't have to shift 5th until 135+.

even with your 290hp...i dont think you would've hung with the evo...let alone beat it by 3 car lengths. either a bad driver or he wasnt trying. opinons are like assholes though, everybody has one. if it is true, props on the kill

evos aren't very fast from a roll. and almost 300whp in a light car is plenty enough to take an evo from a roll.

what makes an evo not good on a roll...heard lots of people say that, it still has 270 some odd horses...the car can't be that much heavier than the sentra...i dont know though. im no expert.

An evo only puts down 225-230 to the wheels. My srt-4 wich puts down roughly that much to the wheels can hang with an evo check out my post Srt-4 vs Evo

Edit: I have heard of turbo Spec-v's they can be pretty quick. I almost got a spec-v i test drove it though and it didn't feel faster then my Scion TC. I then test drove a Srt-4 and i was hooked.

i read it...i have known srt-4's to be quick though. and evo's too. never a sentra. maybe it's because i'm just biased against nissan heh, or i need to actually race one. guess im wrong

what kind of tires are you using? how is a near 300whp FWD goin to have traction in 2nd and 3rd? while your spinning hes already owning you. also as someone already mentioned. don't judge the EVO by its 271 crank hp becasue that hp is pure bull. the car puts down 230-240awhp stock. that 271 crank hp is very underrated. your SE-R however is overrated, its rated at 175 crank hp but puts down 140whp.

again i will ask you what kind of tires your running, casue everyone who owns a high powered FWD will know that anything close to 300whp is useless until your well into 3rd gear. esp with the sentra's short gears that doesn't even hit 60mph in 2nd, you'll have a even harder time connecting.

Hell Ya Hes Kind Of On My Side Lmao

Most AWD cars are a slouch on a roll due to drivetrain loss.

i knew that but...the evo still has a decent amount of horsepower even after the 15%-25% loss...still dont believe his hp claims on the sentra either

Most AWD cars are a slouch on a roll due to drivetrain loss.

the AWD does take more power away, but however whatever power makes it to ground is whatever power makes it to the ground no matter what drive train it is. so no matter how you put it, a stock EVO will acelerate like how a 3200lb 240whp car would acelerate from a roll.

For tires, of course he's running 26" slicks! I personally think it's BS...but everyones been playing nicely so I don't wanna start no fussin'.

wait wait wait...a little bit off forum subject. but. that means a fwd gst would take my gsx from a roll? dam. never thought of that

wait wait wait...a little bit off forum subject. but. that means a fwd gst would take my gsx from a roll? dam. never thought of that

if you two are making the exact same crank hp, then yes the GST would put down more power to the ground ( if they're not being spun from too much power goin to the ground ) and ultimately walk you.

I belive it, that list of mods is very solid. Nice job dude.

alright. im going hunting for a gst kill then heh. have to get em to race me rolling at like 40

also lookin at his mods list, he listed 370cc injectors. those injectors will not support 287whp, those will not flow enough. i'm using that size injectors along with countless other 240sx's and they would never want to go over 250-260whp with them unless you raise the shit out of the fuel pressure with the fuel pressure regulator which you have.

however why did you go with such small injectors? also what are you doing for timing control? the QR25DE is not a engine that runs on a distributor where you can just turn back timing for boost. even so making 287 whp requires some serious timing control. also what are you controling those injectors with?

and what size A/R is your T4 side of the turbo? i would like to know becasue gaining 150whp with only 8.5 psi is damn impressive.

these are basic questions that anyone with a custom turbo charged car should know. its the essential knowledge required so you won't blow up your engine.

120 is right around where my 4th ends....

and what size A/R is your T4 side of the turbo? i would like to know becasue gaining 150whp with only 8.5 psi is damn impressive.

these are basic questions that anyone with a custom turbo charged car should know. its the essential knowledge required so you won't blow up your engine.



I was kinda wondering about that myself... good call.

like i said im used to having BS called on me

i tried to set up pics, but i got no programs on my computer to change the size of them

if you wanna see pics give me your email and ill send you them


You can resize them in paint. Open em in paint, hit image on the top, then go to stretch/skew. You can make it any % of the size it is now. I dont trust you with my email... :grinno:

im running a pair of bald toyo fz4's yes my 2nd and 3rd gears are useless if you read the srt-4 vs evo post i posted up about not having those anymore

Also this is a kit not a custom turbo www.powertechimports.com go to products, tubo kits, click on the spec v

370cc injectors are not too small for the HP im running at, they are about maxed out but i used them on purpose so i wouldnt be tempted to up the boost past 8.5

im using an apexi safcII which with the low bost im running is plenty good for effective tuning purposes

then what are you using for timing control?

besides the apexi nothing, it dosnt need it at that low of boost, the car runs strong and clean

i wish i could convince you further, when i get home ill email that guy that pics so he can post them up

ill get the dyno vids and i know some guys who have a evo and an sti that would be willing to run so i could record it

I'd still like to see some pictures. I think he's serious.

no problem i get home around 140 and ill send them at that time

370cc injectors are not too small for the HP im running at, they are about maxed out but i used them on purpose so i wouldnt be tempted to up the boost past 8.5


I'll believe that. I got ~300whp at 14psi and am still on 360cc injectors...they are maxed out and need to be upgraded before the boost goes up anymore...but plenty of 3/S owners are doing the same with few/no problems.

but igovert your running 360cc X6 , he is running 370cc X 4. your flowing around 50% more fuel then he is.

trust me 370 is plenty pics will be sent in about 20mins

i have 320CC injectors and am pushing about 210HP
Crank, im fine for air/fuel.

holy crap. i really wouldnt think that 370's are enough. Although they may work...somehow, I wouldnt put 370's on any 4-banger running 250+WHP. No timing control? I believe you tho, so dont get me wrong, not BS'ing, just suprised.

the AWD does take more power away, but however whatever power makes it to ground is whatever power makes it to the ground no matter what drive train it is. so no matter how you put it, a stock EVO will acelerate like how a 3200lb 240whp car would acelerate from a roll.
No...... Who told you this???? Not only does the car have more parasitic drivetrain loss, it also has more mechanical mass to move (Depending on car: front driveshaft, rear differential, transfer case). If Car A has 120 whp and is fwd, and car B has the same amount of whp and is awd, Car A will win. Reason being is that there are more mechanical parts that need to move.

No...... Who told you this???? Not only does the car have more parasitic drivetrain loss, it also has more mechanical mass to move (Depending on car: front driveshaft, rear differential, transfer case). If Car A has 120 whp and is fwd, and car B has the same amount of whp and is awd, Car A will win. Reason being is that there are more mechanical parts that need to move.

your forgetting the most important aspect of counting why we rather rate the car's true power by measuring at the wheels vs. measuring at the crank. the whp power is derived from all that drive train loss already accounted into it, which means it already includes the axle lose, the center diff, the front and rear diff's, and for the subbies case, the input shaft, counter shaft, and output shaft, also not to mention all the power thats freed up from a light weight flywheel, under drive pulleys, light weight drive shafts, etc. after all the power from the engines fly wheel travels thru all that, then whatever power remains will make it to the wheels to be measured.

example a S2000 makes 240hp but loses 40whp from its drive train loss, and what makes it to the wheels is 200whp. if you calculate 200whp x 1.20 which is equilvant to 20% drive train loss, it will work out to exactly 240 crank hp. for RWD vehicles the general bases is 7.5% per gear set. so since its a longitutional RWD tranny it consist of 3 gear sets.

1) input shaft
2) counter shaft
3) output shaft

so thats 3 X7.5 = 22.5 percent drive train loss. that is the general case, so with the S2000 being 20% it works out perfectly. i can also say that around the 350Z. those puts down 230-240 whp and its rated at 287 crank hp.

so thats 240 x 1.2 = guess what? 288 crank hp.

now for front wheel drives, or transversly mounted MR's they run on a transaxle which only has 2 sets of gears, so theres only the

1) input shaft
2) output shaft

so thats 7.5 x 2 = 15% drive train loss. lets look at some numbers

a GSR is rated at 175 hp but puts down around 150whp so

150 x 1.15 = hmmmm 172 crank hp. hmmmm do you see the pattern here?

so with the AWD cars all that mumbo jumbo gear set and drive train loss is already accounted for so its 271 crank hp is pure bull.

the average AWD drive train loss is 25% so

240whp x 1.25 = 300hp. which is what i think the evo's true output is.

logically speaking a 350Z should kill a evo from a roll becasue it makes

1) more crank hp 287 vs. 271 crank hp

2) less drive train loss. RWD vs. AWD

but guess what? they are almost dead even from a roll!!! WTF????

well guess what? they both put down 240whp and they both weight 3200lbs ( even though weight is less of a factor from a roll )

also a S2000 should be albe to be even with the EVO from a roll since it puts down 200whp and it weights 2800 lbs, but guess what? the EVO will walk it like a dog.

my friends EVO walks my friends S2000 by atleast 3-4 everytime from 20mph -100mph.

however a SRT-4 putting down very similar numbers to a EVO at the wheels are a pretty damn good match for each other, and is basically a drivers race. i've also seen this in person and knows countless other people whos raced.

so what you said is not true 2001LS1Z28

Nice postage...

Oh no I've gone cross-eyed [/Austin Powers]

your forgetting the most important aspect of counting why we rather rate the car's true power by measuring at the wheels vs. measuring at the crank. the whp power is derived from all that drive train loss already accounted into it, which means it already includes the axle lose, the center diff, the front and rear diff's, and for the subbies case, the input shaft, counter shaft, and output shaft, also not to mention all the power thats freed up from a light weight flywheel, under drive pulleys, light weight drive shafts, etc. after all the power from the engines fly wheel travels thru all that, then whatever power remains will make it to the wheels to be measured.

example a S2000 makes 240hp but loses 40whp from its drive train loss, and what makes it to the wheels is 200whp. if you calculate 200whp x 1.20 which is equilvant to 20% drive train loss, it will work out to exactly 240 crank hp. for RWD vehicles the general bases is 7.5% per gear set. so since its a longitutional RWD tranny it consist of 3 gear sets.

1) input shaft
2) counter shaft
3) output shaft

so thats 3 X7.5 = 22.5 percent drive train loss. that is the general case, so with the S2000 being 20% it works out perfectly. i can also say that around the 350Z. those puts down 230-240 whp and its rated at 287 crank hp.

so thats 240 x 1.2 = guess what? 288 crank hp.

now for front wheel drives, or transversly mounted MR's they run on a transaxle which only has 2 sets of gears, so theres only the

1) input shaft
2) output shaft

so thats 7.5 x 2 = 15% drive train loss. lets look at some numbers

a GSR is rated at 175 hp but puts down around 150whp so

150 x 1.15 = hmmmm 172 crank hp. hmmmm do you see the pattern here?

so with the AWD cars all that mumbo jumbo gear set and drive train loss is already accounted for so its 271 crank hp is pure bull.

the average AWD drive train loss is 25% so

240whp x 1.25 = 300hp. which is what i think the evo's true output is.

logically speaking a 350Z should kill a evo from a roll becasue it makes

1) more crank hp 287 vs. 271 crank hp

2) less drive train loss. RWD vs. AWD

but guess what? they are almost dead even from a roll!!! WTF????

well guess what? they both put down 240whp and they both weight 3200lbs ( even though weight is less of a factor from a roll )

also a S2000 should be albe to be even with the EVO from a roll since it puts down 200whp and it weights 2800 lbs, but guess what? the EVO will walk it like a dog.

my friends EVO walks my friends S2000 by atleast 3-4 everytime from 20mph -100mph.

however a SRT-4 putting down very similar numbers to a EVO at the wheels are a pretty damn good match for each other, and is basically a drivers race. i've also seen this in person and knows countless other people whos raced.

so what you said is not true 2001LS1Z28
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new power claims est: around 250whp didn't get a chance to dyno again yet.
new mods include removed fan clutch, larger 3 inch exhuaust, and a larger front mounter intercooler.
95 nissan 240sx KA24DE turbo.
I don't agree. Also I know what wheel horsepower is, and what parasitic loss is. I could go into greater detail, but the bottom line is that there is more mechanical mass with an awd car. Also your assessment of the 350Z versus the Evo is wrong as well. From a roll the Evo will have to spool up. They did a test in Car and Driver and assessed that the 350Z will win from a roll. Mind you that was versus the 03/04 Evo. The 05 Evo has a 10.5 hotside turbo, which added alot more power then what the manufacturer is quoting (i.e. same output as the 04/05 STi). I go to the track regularly and see Evo's trapping 2-3 mph slower then 350Z's stock for stock. Remember, I use to own an Evo :D

all this shit going through my head, i dont really know what to think!! :uhoh:

im just having a real hard time grasping an evo gettin beat by a sentra...

so you go the track and see evo's only trapping in the high 90's? thats kinda crappy if you ask me. a stock 350Z traps at 99-100. so your saying htat a EVO that traps at 102-103mph traps at 97 mph at your drag strip? you see what i'm sayin here right? yes there is more mechanical mass becasue of the AWD, when you say mechanical mass you mean its from the actual weight of the components? becuse it doesn't matter either because the cars still both weights 3200 lbs no matter how you look at it.

also when they did those roll on runs, they were doing a 5mph roll where the evo does have lag. at 20mph the evo is in 3000rpm in first and there is no lag at the point and from a even punch it will be the same as the Z. which in the end again goes into my argument of how a Z and a EVO will be identical from a roll because they both put down 240whp and weights the same.

please explain to me what i'm missing obviously i'm not gettin what your saying.

edit: lets say in modded terms a 300whp 350Z vs. a 300whp EVO. hmmm lets see, the 350 whp Z will be making around 420 crank hp, a 350whp evo would be making 437.5 crank hp to get 350whp. so thats where that extra parasitic drain your talkin about comes from. its already been accounted for.

so you go the track and see evo's only trapping in the high 90's? thats kinda crappy if you ask me. a stock 350Z traps at 99-100. so your saying htat a EVO that traps at 102-103mph traps at 97 mph at your drag strip? you see what i'm sayin here right? yes there is more mechanical mass becasue of the AWD, when you say mechanical mass you mean its from the actual weight of the components? becuse it doesn't matter either because the cars still both weights 3200 lbs no matter how you look at it.

also when they did those roll on runs, they were doing a 5mph roll where the evo does have lag. at 20mph the evo is in 3000rpm in first and there is no lag at the point and from a even punch it will be the same as the Z. which in the end again goes into my argument of how a Z and a EVO will be identical from a roll because they both put down 240whp and weights the same.

please explain to me what i'm missing obviously i'm not gettin what your saying.
They're a dime a dozen at Speedway trapping 97-99 mph (Meaning Evo's). I'm sure Danno will back me on this one (I am of course talking about stock Evo's, the modified ones i've seen in the 110-115 mph range). I'm guessing that you are not located in California. We have what's called shitane over here (91 octane). Also what dyno are you pulling your quotes from? Stock evo's on Shiv's dyno pump out 185-200 awhp. My former Evo, after the Xede and a catback dynoed at 228 awhp. I raced a stock evo from a roll with it and left him by buslengths, so I don't think that Shiv makes up his dyno numbers.

shiv's dynos are known to read really conservative. when he was on tuner transformations he tuned a EVO with the xede to run on race gas or pump gas, and with the race gas mode in a dedicated fuel cell, with hks cams, cam gears, larger turbine housing, and exhaust running c16 race gas, it only made 298whp. while on sportcompact car, a simliarly setup evo with less mods tuned by shiv made 350whp on their dynos. on the sport compact car dynos, the EVO actualy dynos more whp then the typical 350Z. every year in the 8 great rides section, the EVO has the highest whp compared to everything else, that includes the SRT-4, and the 350Z. and yes 91 octane does suck, a STi's EJ25 is known to make around 310 crank hp according to APS just from running from 93 to 94 octane. certain cars are more sensitive then others.

WHP is HP measured after all drivetrain, blue fairy, and talking elephant loss is taken out.

Weight of the drivetrain has nothing to do with HP or WHP loss. Though it may show up on a dyno, it means nothing. Lighter drivetrain components only allow for quicker deployment of the existing BHP to WHP. In lamens terms, it allows your engine to rev quicker thus allowing gears to wind out faster. Tires are the same prinicple. Smaller tires may allow quicker acceleration and show more HP on a dyno, but that certainly doesn't mean the car has any more HP than before. Likewise, larger tires may show the car as having less HP, but the car still has the same amount of HP as before. Still traps the same speed at the 1320. Same goes for lightened flywheels, driveshafts, ect. Then try dynoing after putting in the correction factors.;)

And drivetrain layout will only play a factor on winning in the 1320'. From a highway roll, WHP is all that matters.

Uhhhh, did anyone ever get pictures/slips/dyno sheets of this guy's car yet?

Uhhhh, did anyone ever get pictures/slips/dyno sheets of this guy's car yet?
No, we are too busy arguing.

Yeah so a whole day later.........where are the pics????
I wish I would of caught this yesterday but I guess Tat beat me to it. I dont see how he gained so much HP from 8.5 psi either. also he didnt need to come up with a list of mods, he just had to go online and look up the kit and then repeat all the items on the list to us plus the run of the mill supporting mods.
It be cool though, a Sentra smoking an Evo, that'd be sure to piss a few people off.

he has a fairly big engine for a 4 cylinder, you dont need a whole lot of boost to make much more power correct?

A little late, but I'm with Tat on this one. WHP is hp after the drivetrain has had its parasitic effect. It has already been accounted for mathematically. To say you have to account for the drivetrains rotating mass after the fact is the same as accounting for parasitic losses 2x. Which would equate to the EVO lossing 50% of its power, not 25%.

Here's 5 of the pics he sent me, which i feel is more than enough to give him his credit...Nice car man



http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/36460turbofored001.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/36460turbofored003.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/36460turbofored004.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/36460turbofored008.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/36460turbofored009.jpg

:bigthumb:

TurboSpecV57, I believe you. If you are, in fact pulling one on all of us, well you did a damn good job. Nice car!


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TurboSpecV57, I believe you. If you are, in fact pulling one on all of us, well you did a damn good job. Nice car!


:thumbsup:

A little too late for April Fools or really damn early

well i'll be damned. it does exist. alright, you have owned the doubters.

ehhh. it's not hard to find pics of other peoples shit on websites. just throwing that out there.

Nice setup TurboSpecV. I believe you, for what it is worth. Time to get some vids now (Preferrably on the track, so that they don't impound your sweet ride).

Glad to see you stood up for yourself Spec. It's not easy defending yourself here at AF. But you pretty much just owned all of the Street Racing regz. Can't wait to see the vids, and thanks for the pics. Here's one for the non-believers (I too was a bit skeptic at first, until I read on that is :biggrin: ):

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/232382AFOWNED-med.JPG

L8...

ehhhhhhhhhh. he still hasn't convinced me. it's too easy to find someone elses mod lists and find some random pictures.

hahahaha roflmao...complete with the table to brace yourself against shit lol.

ehhhhhhhhhh. he still hasn't convinced me. it's too easy to find someone elses mod lists and find some random pictures.

Well Sherlock, looks like you got some detective work cut out for yourself. You have exactly 45 mins to find those pics or else :evillol: !! Actually that's when I'll be asleep. So...NO EXCEPTIONS. I'll have your payment when work is complete :smokin: . L8....

That's a straight rip off of my picture... :(

You're just jealous cause it isn't you in the picture anymore :icon16:. Stop being so selfish. L8...

ehhhhhhhhhh. he still hasn't convinced me. it's too easy to find someone elses mod lists and find some random pictures.

I will pay pal you 20 bucks if you can find those pics anywhere on the web besides at this forum.


to the rest dont worry about giving me a hard time, ill post more of the pics when i get a hold of them

impressive! Love those model Spec-Vs. You got the "skyline" inspired seats? Nice!

Deal. I will definitely find those pictures on another website and you have to pay me $20 via paypal, okay? But! If I do not, I will never post on af.com again. Okay?

I'll go over the rules one more time:

If I, dampachi (aka Tim) find those pictures (the ones posted earlier in the thread and said to be your car) on ANY OTHER WEBSITE ON THE WHOLE ENTIRE WEBIVERSE. YOU TurboSpecV57 will pay me $20 over paypal. Correct?

Or, if you don't, then you'll never post here again :evillol:. Dibs on all of Dampachi's posts :biggrin:. L8...

I'm just waiting for him to agree so I can say "Owned". I need to go set up my paypal account. Woo. What if he agrees and I present, but he wont pay?

I'm just waiting for him to agree so I can say "Owned". I need to go set up my paypal account. Woo. What if he agrees and I present, but he wont pay?

Lmao sounds like you allready know where those pics are.

It doesn't count if you post them on your own website. =]

yeah starcraft!

Id be happier if he had a pic next to the car with "I own you AF" on it.

It doesn't count if you post them on your own website. =]

Way to ruin it, buddy. You owe me $20.

Way to ruin it, buddy. You owe me $20.
Stop trying to scam people Dampachi, no one likes you!

:mad:

It actually is refreshing to see a new guy come in with a hooked up car that's not full of it.

Nobody likes me?!!?! But but..I like me. :( And I can't help it. When you street race for money you just turn into a con man. "Why yes of course I am 100% stock..." And yeeeeeuh yo! his car is all hooked up! it's so pimp n shit! son got da hookup! he must know xzibit to get dat much pimpatude!

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=391760

Hmmm. Just proved bullshit does come in all walks.

Look, if everyone was critiqued as hard as you have critiqued this guy, none of us could prove we had a belly button okay? Just let it rest.

And trying to scam people? Wow how can we trust anything you say now? Show us some pics of why we can trust you. Wait, nope that won't work.

I don't want to argue, I just want you to step back and see how you are approaching this and put yourself in his shoes. K?

Hey tha new guy, what car is that in your sig pic? Is that the road-going porsche 962 that they built like, 7 of?

for one, i knew this guy wasn't going to pay regardless. i just thought it'd be funny if i posted the pics on my website and was like SEE, I DID FIND THEM ON ANOTHER SITE. i backed off along time ago. i just said he still hasn't convinced me. i never said he needed to continue to try to prove it to me..i just noted how i'm still in disbelief. as you can see..i never really said anything mean to him. just that he hasn't quite got me convinced. we'll see what happens. as he continues to post i'll eventually believe him. but hell..whats it matter anyway..i'm sure he hasn't lost any sleep over me doubting him. and sure you can trust me. as long as your money isn't involved..you'll be fine. :)

Ok then, what would it take for you to believe?

Or at least to stop posting that you don't...

To make me believe, a video. With signs directed to AF.com.

To make me quit posting about how I don't believe, a swift kick in the ass. :(

swift kick in the ass is all that'll do it?? hell.. i can offer that up.. :biggrin:

*for the record i believe his story and the pics were nice!

Thanks for the complamnts ive spent a lot of time and money on that car and its just the way i like it

now to you dampachi youll get your pics and vids, ive set up a run with an sti and an evo both stock just to have a comparison run, this will proubly go down sometime next week im trying to figure out a vacume problem

i kinda like how my first topic i posted is up to 7 pages

Thanks for the complamnts ive spent a lot of time and money on that car and its just the way i like it

now to you dampachi youll get your pics and vids, ive set up a run with an sti and an evo both stock just to have a comparison run, this will proubly go down sometime next week im trying to figure out a vacume problem



Well I am starting to wonder about you claimed 287 HP on 8-9 PSI. So you start with 175 HP and end with 287. with the only power adding modifications being

Garret T3/T4 hybrid Turbo
Coated 3" Down pipe
3” mid pipe w/ flex tube
Coated Protech hi-velocity manifold
Garrett intercooler (385HP)
3” aluminum turbo inlet pipe
3" custom Exhuast to Mangflow racing edition muffler

Your injectors are just part of having the turbo since you would absoulutly needed them for boost.

so you gained 112 HP on 8 PSI I guess it's dooable but... I would think at more like 12-14 PSI

What trim T3/T4, Saying you have a T3/T4 turbo is like me saying I drive a Buick. Well I say that and people are like "So, my grandma drives a Buick, who gives a shit." Well if I say, "I drive a Buick GRAND NATIONAL." then people are interested.

Im with Damp on this one. Im not saying it isnt his car...Im just not saying it is. I dont need a vid or anything, I'd be happy with just a sign saying AF.com this is my car with you holding it wearing, say, a pink cowboy hat.

Well I am starting to wonder about you claimed 287 HP on 8-9 PSI. So you start with 175 HP and end with 287. with the only power adding modifications being

Garret T3/T4 hybrid Turbo
Coated 3" Down pipe
3” mid pipe w/ flex tube
Coated Protech hi-velocity manifold
Garrett intercooler (385HP)
3” aluminum turbo inlet pipe
3" custom Exhuast to Mangflow racing edition muffler

Your injectors are just part of having the turbo since you would absoulutly needed them for boost.

so you gained 112 HP on 8 PSI I guess it's dooable but... I would think at more like 12-14 PSI

What trim T3/T4, Saying you have a T3/T4 turbo is like me saying I drive a Buick. Well I say that and people are like "So, my grandma drives a Buick, who gives a shit." Well if I say, "I drive a Buick GRAND NATIONAL." then people are interested.


well hypsi, i believe him because of hte pics, but i must add one thing to your comment, you siad he went from 175hp to 287whp. that is not a 112hp gain, that car puts down 140whp stock so its actually a 147whp gain with only 8.5 psi of boost.

I thought the spec v's had 175 stock though?

they do but tats speaks in whp.

So you're a scammer? Well if I can't trust you with money, then I can't trust you at all.

well hypsi, i believe him because of hte pics, but i must add one thing to your comment, you siad he went from 175hp to 287whp. that is not a 112hp gain, that car puts down 140whp stock so its actually a 147whp gain with only 8.5 psi of boost.


I was not saying I did not beleive him.... I was more or less typing the stuff out and doing some math. It's quite impressive to gain that much off of 8.5 PSI

I was not saying I did not beleive him.... I was more or less typing the stuff out and doing some math. It's quite impressive to gain that much off of 8.5 PSI
yes it is, even with the high compression pistons. and it has nothing to do with the displacement. My Starion is a 2.6 4-banger and even with that and increase of 8.5 lbs would not give me an extra 145HP! the only reason I am not going to call BS is because I do have low compression pistons and therefore it would not be comparing apples to apples.
I gotta tell you though, you know you have a hell of a car when half the AF street racing board dossent believe you!

Edit: your post is now up to 8 pages. way to go!

Not necessarily a hell of a car...but just lack of proof of having the car. But yeah..when you show us some more proof I'll definitely be the first one to apologize.

damn dampachi, give him a break. Sheazus.

well the spec puts down 148whp, thats what it dynoed at before we started this project

the turbo is a 50 trim

im hitting the dyno up again on saturday and im going to get some vids of it

it sure is nice to have an uncle with a mustang dyno and tune shop, he recently got some stuff to do hondata so buissness has trippled

ps i dont know if any of you know this but its scary as hell to get tuned on a mustang dyno, your pointing at the wall going 90 :shakehead ......

whoa you got 148whp stock on a mustang dyno? and got 287 whp on a mustang dyno on only 8.5 psi?

1) your are is readly reading higher then average whp, and on the mustang dyno which is notorious for reading low makes it even higher. so technically speaking your car on a regular dyno would be close to 160whp stock. that is very ahrd to believe.

2) this also means your 287whp will atleast be 300whp on a regular dyno. hmmmm

well its true that mustang dynos normally read lower especially that the ever optimistic dynojets. But there is another factor that can change the results by quite a bit: the correction factors used by whomever was manning that dyno.

oooooooh. the plot thickens.

oooooooh. the plot thickens.

lol dampachi wants nothing more then the turbo spec-v guy to be all "OK OK you got me, dampachi was right, and is all that is holy, and you are all idiots for believeing me you should of just listened to the all knowing dampachi." Then he will be happy again.

dude. i'm always happy. i really couldn't give a shit less if he popped in and was like OKAY, YOU GUYS GOT ME..MY SHIT ACTUALLY RUNS 9s, LOOK AT MY VIDEO YO. Like I probably already said. I ain't losing sleep.

ive never new that the numbers were that different, i knew that there was a degree of corection but i didnt think that it when the other way, i was lead to belive that they read high....

anyway i think almost any dynos different, you never always get the same numbers

im getting retuned tommrow at a different place up in dayton that is offering me a great deal and knows a lot more then my uncle about tuning imports

i hope that this will be the deciding factor

Yeah but have you guys seen how Dampachi reacts to the Mustang owners. when 1993_GT posted his first track run everyone was like "wow dude, show us some proof". Damapachi was like "nah man, I believe him, I dont know why but I believe him yo" and we where all like "damn Mustang owners".

wish i had some sentra owners to support me..... lol

wish i had some sentra owners to support me..... lol
If you continue to provide proof of your HP gain, I guess you'll make all the doubters feel that much more foolish. Bear with us...

dont worry i will

well musashi..for one, he wasn't a noob saying that stuff. second..i did doubt him all the way up until i realized how possible it was. it's because he was running 1.9s on street tires, right? right after i read that thread i read a big write up on stangnet.com or maybe modulardepot.com about how cutting 1.9s with street tires/stock suspension is very possible on mustangs. so then after looking at his mods, and his timeslips, and what he was saying..it became apparent that he was telling the truth. this guys got five pictures, some really big claims..and nothing else to really back it up. i don't see how he can't present good pictures/maybe video. doesn't everyone have or atleast have access to a digital camera or video camera? I mean..unless you have no friends at all and you're broke..then you have no excuse for not being able to get your shit filmed or get pictures of it. And I know it's not that he's broke...he's got some crazy modded sentra. oh well.

well maybe he is really fucking lazy.....like me. I went out and got a vid of my car running a buddies Prelude but never even bothered to post it up. UndergroundKillah offered to post it for me and I never even got back to him on it. In any case you do defend Mustang owners regardless of your reasons cause Mustang owners are like cattle, they all travel in a herd. MOOOOOOOOO

i don't think he's lazy. lazy people don't have heavily modded nice, fast cars. they drive slow cars.....like you.

Lol sence when was your car fast pach? (i'll give you very quick though :) ) Can you mb admit for once that you could be wrong? I mean who made you the overall authority on what is BS or not? Ima call BS on your BS authority.

i don't think he's lazy. lazy people don't have heavily modded nice, fast cars. they drive slow cars.....like you.
WoW man, I wassnt trying to start shit. I like ya Damp, I like your attitude and the way you dont give a shit if your comments piss people off. Hell I know my 15 sec 3s wouldnt stand a chance next to your GT I was trying to lay out the fact that Mustang drivers stick together more then any other group of owners out there.
But shit bro I didnt think youd get pissed at a regular like me, ok dude, sorry.

i don't think he's lazy. lazy people don't have heavily modded nice, fast cars. they drive slow cars.....like you.
Well shit, if I drove a turbo sentra similar to his, I wouldn't bother arguing over the internet too. What the hell does he have to prove? Stop being such a prick, man.

Damp.. you want to question my car too?

I've never posted pictures of it with me next to it with a picture saying "I hatez j00 AF!"...

Or is it the fact that I'm a moderator that you won't speak up?:rolleyes:

ur going to dayton, OHIO this weekend? i will be there to mybe we could get a randivous or u could tell me what dyno ur going to and mybe ill meet u there or something i got state ODP in dayton so if ur interested give me a PM or post it on here

Damp.. you want to question my car too?

I've never posted pictures of it with me next to it with a picture saying "I hatez j00 AF!"...

Or is it the fact that I'm a moderator that you won't speak up?:rolleyes:

but you did have a few videos, and on top of that people know you and your car (ie terminalvelocity).

quiet you... you're not helping my point... :nutkick:


:lol:

Point is, he's innocent until he's proven guilty. Until he does slip up, which i doubt it, cause i believe he's being honest, then he's ok. Lay off of him with the BS claims unless YOU have proof that he is lying.

Redneck..it's because you're not a noob. So I have no reason to doubt what you say. People were believing your stories before I was even on this site. So I have no right to question you. And I'm not too into the challenging moderators thing. I remember what happened last time I spoke out to a mod. I got banend for a week. And it's cool musashi, I thought you were trying to talk shit. We're cool. As far as my car, I've said before that it's slow. But, I know it'll run side by side with you chexmixa. And as far as me being wrong..I already said if I am wrong I'll be the first to apologize to the guy. And like I've also said before..I couldn't really give a shit less if he ran 15s or 9s. It ain't doing shit for me either way. I'm just coming on here trying to entertain myself. Callin' shit like I see it. If you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.

Well, he says he's going to post some dyno results and videos.

Untill then, we're closed for business.