O.k. I upgraded to 15" wheels and tires and my 14" tires are still practically new. They cost $99 each (without taxes and junk). They were used for under 4k miles and are like new -- you can still see the nibs on the sides of them even! I measured 8/32nds of tread remaining. They are rated to go 80K miles according to Pirelli. These are 195 65 14 tires (4 of them) and are called Pirelli HP. Email me for a photo of how the tread looks. I was very happy with the tires -- nice and quiet and no vibration and good handling in dry and rain and slush. Anyway, if anyone wants these 4 tires, I want $200 cash 'n carry OR you pay ship cost to you. (this is less than 1/2 new cost when you add taxes and stuff)... If you want the p10 Rims WITH the tires already mounted and ready to go, then I want $350. Let me know if anyone is interested. Thanks much!