http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/HSC_DynoPullSmall.wmv :evillol:

Your car?


Pretty nice. I'd like to see it try to grab traction though in a lower gear, rather than from a 'roll' 4th gear bogged down.


Still cool though.

hell no thats not mine!!! i would not be typing right now(id be in jail or dead).

funny, your name implies that it is yours.


What do you drive then?

A 93 RED RX7 and a 97 vette(im selling my rx7), that was a 94

so why were you talking about the v8 swap like you had it in your 7?

oh and my rx2 dosent run i might just sell it 2( im the second owner and it has 70k origanal miles)

when did i say i didnt? i said that black one isnt mine(IN THE VIDEO) jeez your a pain.

i was only asking. just for clarification purposes.

LS1 in a 93-95 RX7 is just wrong.

Keep it the rotary. That is part of its legacy.

Agreed, if you want to stick it in a small car go with a miata.

13B turbo in a Miata would be hot.

I saw a miata with a 5.0 swap. It was pretty damn cool.

The LS1 works great in a Miata because it really doesn't throw off the balance of the car. Makes for a mean Auto-X racer.

I just always liked the FD looks. plus i got a good deal on it 2 years ago. the motor was abused,rear main seal went out so I looked for other options and did the Hinson supercars ls-1 swap. Thats my story and thats that. I think more people on this whole forum don't like it, i dont no why?

It isn't that the car isn't badass. I just don't agree with stuffing an LS1 in an FD. I love the FD's.
As a matter of fact, I would love to get one. Another project type car. Thing is, it would HAVE TO stay rotary.
Of course, I need to win the lotto for this.


And am I the only one that thinks this guy might be full of it? I want pics, video, dyno, something.

I just always liked the FD looks. plus i got a good deal on it 2 years ago. the motor was abused,rear main seal went out so I looked for other options and did the Hinson supercars ls-1 swap. Thats my story and thats that. I think more people on this whole forum don't like it, i dont no why?



I thought you said it didn't run? Now your car has a LS1 in it?

So, it's got a LS1... doesn't run. And you're selling it. Plus you've got a Corvette.

Explain in detail... once again please. We're simple folk, we don't like big city folk coming in here talking with big words.

I thought you said it didn't run? Now your car has a LS1 in it?

So, it's got a LS1... doesn't run. And you're selling it. Plus you've got a Corvette.

Explain in detail... once again please. We're simple folk, we don't like big city folk coming in here talking with big words.

you can speak for yourself red, but i'm from the big apple ( and your from san diego !!! ) but i'm still kinda confused about this story as well. do you have a LS1 powered FD or not?

Pfft. I bet this dude utilizes public transportation... :rolleyes:

just saw the video, the car is bad ass, but its just sooooo weird for me to hear v8 sounds coming out of a rx-7. i'm sooo use to hearing them with teh turbo spooling, and that rotary screaming.

i guess the car has to look a certain way to have a v8 sound track to work right. the FD looks sooo sleek and small to sound like a vette.

when did i say i didnt? i said that black one isnt mine(IN THE VIDEO) jeez your a pain.


:confused: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=330279&page=2&pp=15
Now this isn't to say that you have a ls1 in your FD but you made it sound like it with the title of this thread.

you can speak for yourself red, but i'm from the big apple ( and your from san diego !!! ) but i'm still kinda confused about this story as well. do you have a LS1 powered FD or not?



San Diego?


The hell? Shit brother I'm from Long Beach... home of da Gangsta rap N shit!

West Side niggggahhh! :lol2:


Snoop is my homie. :sunglasse

? didnt it say Ls 6 in the vid? that isnt a ls1 well its close but doesnt the ls 6 have a diff cam and heads? ls6 is what is in the 2004 Zo6 and the ls1 is in ur normal vette trans am and in ur camaro.

That thing sounded like a beast...wow

I believe the LS6 has a different intake manifold and different cams. But I'm not 100% sure...perhaps Mr Luos could clear this one up?

Snoop is my homie. :sunglasse
Snoop'll bust a cap in your white ass :iceslolan

:confused: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=330279&page=2&pp=15
Now this isn't to say that you have a ls1 in your FD but you made it sound like it with the title of this thread.
PLEASE REFER TO OWNAGE THREAD

haha..those pics would be nice about now.

Here ya go:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/232382owneddogsniffer.jpg

I'm running low lately. Gotta go find me some more. L8...

hahahaha. now thats ownage.

thats not owned.

this is owned

http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/needaleverowned.jpg.jpg

^Nah, that's just plain stupid. Had it explode, then they would've been owned. But luckily there was nothing in it. L8...

Lol did he drive off the ledge or did he back up the wall haha. And civ... that dog one was gross as all hell.

I thought you said it didn't run? Now your car has a LS1 in it?

So, it's got a LS1... doesn't run. And you're selling it. Plus you've got a Corvette.

Explain in detail... once again please. We're simple folk, we don't like big city folk coming in here talking with big words.
ok ok i have a 1973 rx2(NOT RUNNING) a 1993 RED rx7(LS1 CONVERSION) and a 1997 high mileage C5. THE car in the video is a 1994 rx7,brian hinsons, he did my conversion about 5 months ago. his fd-has LS6, mine has LS1. mine would be eatin by his. I was just showing the video never said the black one is mine sorry if i came off that way.

i see where everybody is getting confused, i titled this thread wrong i should of put ls6 instead ls1. oh well every body got pissy lol.

Do you have any pictures of yours?

of ls1 rx7 thats it and i dont know how 2 put pictures up so ill throw it in my avatar. and if i do will you guys stop crying like little girls.

Posting pictures is easy, HiFlow50 did a really good job of explaining it. Heres the link. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=343284

And yes, if you post pictures of your LS1 swapped RX7 you probably wont get anymore shit if it's believable.

Curious to how much you paid for the LS1?? Mileage?? Was it complete?? Did you get the PCM with it?? Was it stock??

there is a picture in my avatar(old pic and it was dusty)thats gonna have to hold u over while i learn 2 post pics. The total conversion cost me around 11-12k because i had someone else do it. People have been doing v8 conversions 2 the rx7's for a long time, just go to torque central forum.

http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/. this is for u mr luos

http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/. this is for u mr luos
I asked specific questions about your motor.
Mileage on the motor?? What did they pick the motor up for, pricewise??
These are things you should know. I know I would have been asking for that info.

This should help you to post up some pics. L8...

TRBOBRK
To add pictures to your post you must upload them first.

Go to http://www.automotiveforums.com/upload

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/267376upload.jpg

Click on Browse and find the .jpg picture you wish to upload.
When finished, click on Upload File

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/909920filesent.jpg

Then you will be given an address to the picture.
It will have the following format:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/######picturename.jpg

Copy the entire link.
This includes the http:// all the way through to .jpg
You can now see the picture if you like by clicking on the link.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/785834view.jpg

Okay, now the picture is on the internet.

Go to the forum you wish to post the picture.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/896889post.jpg

Make sure there are no spaces or breaks in it. It may split to wrap to the next line but that is okay as long as there are no spaces and it does it itself.

I can't host pics here anymore because of a bug and its not my computer! I wiped everything just after it started happening and it still does it! No one has helped me waaaa, I even posted a thread in hte "hot and not" forum months ago but no one will help little old thourun with his troubles...[/rant]

I think the idea of putting an LS-1 is kind of cool, why not?

However i'm confused on the details of this guy to...

You have a corvette and an RX-7, but the RX-7 is broken down because of the abuse is sustained from the last owner. Hence he has an LS1 power car and an RX-7 as his name states. Did i get that right?

he has two RX's. one is a RX2 that on longer works, one is a LS1 powered RX7 and a high mileage LS1 C5.

:useless:
sorry, just not convinced of ownership. He doesn't seem to be willing to give any more info about his car.

He actually posted a picture in his avatar. That is the best he could do for now until he knows how to post pics. I'll certainly believe him. But further proof is always appreciated more. L8...

The hell? Shit brother I'm from Long Beach... home of da Gangsta rap N shit!


Hell ya CJ! Grove Street Fo Life!

Hell ya CJ! Grove Street Fo Life!


Seriously... Grove for life!

I saw a miata with a 5.0 swap. It was pretty damn cool.

Damn didnt know that was possible good sighting

IMO LS1 powered FD is like Turbo H22 powered z28...WTF?
Though the Ls1 is a great engine...its just a FI v8 like every other GD v8 running on the road. same damn 4 stroke principles. the 13B is far mor advanced and far more impressive.

13B stock 255hp = 196.2hp/litre
Ls1 stock 320hp = 56.1hp/litre

both are sapposed to be performance engines. the 13B is working reliably in the levels of efficency that would make your conventional piston design a track only car. thoes are '94 RX-7 and '00 z28 SS as said by edmunds.com. the '94 z28 only made 275 dropping the hp/litre into the 46 range.
MPG?

z28
18/27

RX-7
17/25

so for a nearly 150hp/lite increase in efficency the RX-7 only looses 1mpg city and 2 highway. granted the 7 is turbo which makes it more efficent but even if yo ucompare the old NA 7's that made around 150hp it is still oer 100 hp/litre.
Some say that the Ls1 is capeable of much grater HP. well ive never see nan Ls1 much over 1000hp.
LS1 w/ 1000hp = 175.4hp/litre

for the ls1 to match the stock efficency of the 13B it would have to make 1118hp. it takes more than some exaust to get it up that high.

the 13b is also known to make into the 700's track only. of course 1118hp would be track only as well. so 13B w/ 700hp is 538.5hp/litre. that is above the hp/litre range of top fule dragsters... and there are 13B's makeing 700hp for 500mile road races over in asia... id like to see a top fule run 500miles...
so basically what i am saying is trying to make an RX-7 faster by making it "american muscel" or w/e isnt the way. i respect the ls1 but really, if you needed a new motor. you could get a JDM 13B with 30,000-50,000miles on it for less than an ls1 and you owuld have kept the greatness of the 7 in tact.
but hey, its you car, what can i say.

i dont get the reason for doing that

Hp per liter arguement is gotta be the most played out Ricer arguement of all time.

"Your car doesn't make 100hp per litre... there for it sucks... never mind it's still faster, and is more efficient... i am the winn4r!"

The LS1 makes in the range of 350hp stock. Look it up, even the Camaro's and Trans Ams had the 350hp, they're just underrated. A known fact.

They get as you pointed out, 18mpg city, 27mpg highway. Plus they push the heavy F-body and Corvettes into the Low 13s with compitant drivers.

13B-REW Twin Turbo
1308 cc
255bhp @ 7000rpm
220lbft @ 5000rpm
2800lbs curb weight
Redline 8000rpm
0-30 1.6 sec
0-60 5.1 sec
0-100 14.0 sec
1/4mile:
14.0sec @ 100mph

Lateral G's:
.91-1.02 g*
Slalom 68-71mph*
Top Speed 159mph


More times:

1993 Mazda RX-7 0-60 in 5.5 and a 1/4 ET of 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 0-60 in 5.3 and a 1/4 ET of 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 0-60 in 5.3 and a 1/4 ET of 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 0-60 in 6.0 and a 1/4 ET of 14.5
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 0-60 in 5.3 and a 1/4 ET of 14.1

97-04 Corvette general stats
Transmission : 6-spd manual, 4-spd automatic
Fuel economy : city - 18-19 mpg highway - 25-28 mpg
Horsepower : 350 hp @ 5600 rpm
Torque : 360 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm(auto), 375 lb-ft(manual)
Redline : 6000 rpm
Top speed : 175 mph(coupe), 162 mph(convertible)
0-60 mph : 4.9 sec.(manual), 5.3 sec.(auto)
0-¼ mile : 13.6 sec @ 107.3 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.92 g


For Comapison sake the '96 Camaro's are LT1s, notibly slower than LS1s

1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28: 0-60 in 5.7 1/4 in 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS: 0-60 in 5.3 1/4 in 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28: 0-60 in 5.2 1/4 in 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS: 0-60 in 5.2 1/4 in 13.6

1997 Chevrolet Corvette: 0-60 in 4.7 1/4 in 13.3
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible: 0-60 in 5.1 1/4 in 13.5
1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop: 0-60 in 4.8 1/4 in 13.3


Sorry for the shitty presentation, didn't feel like making it look all uniform, but theres the info. The Rx7 by numbers isn't that great. They're awesome cars for handling, the Rotary is a finicky sonofabitch and more people will say the Rx7 is a waste of money more than anything.

They can spend more time at a specialty shop then I think they're worth. But that's just me, taking the supreme handling of a Rx7 and putting in a 'near bulletproof' motor. Is a great idea.

Overall, if you want to talk efficiency. The Corvette takes the cake, my buddy has a Rx7. A 1st gen, but it's a Rotary no-less and it's a gas hog. Completely stock except for a full custom exhaust with a Magnaflow muffler that was 'aquired' from a Honda. It handles great, but has no nuts. Of course, comparing a LS1 Corvette to that of a 1st gen Rx7 is stupid. But the principles are the same.

And I didn't feel like looking up the handling specs of Fbody LS1 cars. When I think of a good handling GM product, the Camaro and Firebird are the last on my mind. They're great all around cars, but a bit too heavy and more suited for drag racing and highspeed runs with their solid rear axels and blah for suspension. They'd make great drift cars though. :D

I won't even get into that of a 2001-2004 LS6 powered Z06.

A Rx-7 R2 would have a hell of a time to keep a Z06 from passing it in the twisties, anything with more than I'd say... 1/8 mile straight away and it'd get passed. Stock for Stock of course, modified cars that's a endless discussion.

You Forget price. z06 mucho denaro greater than FD RX7 even new. you get what you pay for. and the reason people thing the rotary such a POS is that they know not how to take car of a rotary. it isnt change oil every 3k sparks at 50,000 etc... a simple apex seal replacement at 50,000 miles will keep the 13B running into the 100,000 miles with only routine mentanecne. but the roatry menance schedule calls for sooner oil changes. no synthedic (putting synthedic oil in a rotary is what kills them the quickest) and because the older 13B's are so easy to flood if you dont get them up to operating temps before shutting them off some people would just thtow some auto tranny fluid in there and crank it over for a while and be done with it. an oil change is need asap after a flood. they can actualy be quite reliable little sluggers.
I bring the hp/litre into it because 255hp from 1.3l is amazing. on top of the thrill of 8k RPM. and what other car from the early 90's could do a 14sec stock? not many. My stand point isnt "keep it small because i hate v8's" my stand point is keep a great engine in a great car. 30 years from now 7's will be sought after like 60's pony cars are today. that or it will be the 426 hemi cuda of our era (metaphoricly speaking).
it isnt like slaping an SR20 in a datsun. that is nissan for nissan (prettymuch) and the old carburated i-6's are in no way as impresive as the 13BTT ;) .

1995 Rx7 Turbo $21,500 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=178311841&dealer_id=55968490&car_year=1995&make=MAZDA&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=30000&model=RX7&end_year=1996&min_price=1&certified=&address=90815&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1994&isp=y&cardist=27)

1994 Rx7 Turbo $22,000 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=177956599&dealer_id=55932692&car_year=1994&make=MAZDA&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=30000&model=RX7&end_year=1996&min_price=1&certified=&address=90815&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1994&isp=y&cardist=15)

1997 Corvette 6spd $22,500 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=176935178&dealer_id=55839729&car_year=1997&make=CHEV&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=30000&model=CORV&end_year=1999&min_price=1&first_record=26&pager.offset=25&certified=&address=90815&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1997&cardist=14#vdptop)

2001 Corvette Z06 $29,995 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=177660243&dealer_id=1236736&car_year=2001&make=CHEV&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=30000&model=CORV&end_year=2002&min_price=1&certified=&address=90815&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=2001&isp=y&cardist=92)


Rotary motors are neat little motors, what... four moving parts? Great for all out racing applications, I mean they're super lightweight and can make decent power.

But for daily driving, street cars and the occasional strip/track car they aren't practical. If they were, you'd see more manufactures using the design. You have to have the monetary budget equal to NASA to keep them in good health and if you want to race them.

If I had the budget, Would I get one? Maybe, Neat cars.. run like stink on the track. But it's one of those cars I'd probably trailer to the track, cause I'd wonder at the end of the day if it was going to get me back home. :lol:

I bring the hp/litre into it because 255hp from 1.3l is amazing. on top of the thrill of 8k RPM.

Boosted Vs. N/A. Shouldn't even compare the two when it comes to HP/liter. On top of that, I don't think you will EVER catch me using HP/liter. Even though mine is decent. Not great, but decent.

Either way, I want an FD, along with my WS.6. Never in 1000 years would I swap the rotary out of the FD though. Likewise with the WS.6. It stays LSx based.

Besides, isn't the rotary really a 2.6? Each rotor displaces 1.3L right, and it has two rotors.

no the displacment is for both rotors combined. thats why a tri rotor engine is called the 20B because it displaces a full 2.0 liters.

technically speaking from the principle of how a rotary works its that it has 2 power strokes per revolution, so it techically can be considered a 2.6 liter casue of that, but its true displacement is still 1.3 liters for both rotors combined.

I definatley agree with redneck that the horsepower per liter debate is totally washed up. Even though the rotary makes that much horsepower per liter, and it is lightweight still won't mean anything because you have to consider the weight of the car.

A 400hp ls1 powered rx7 would be faster then a 300hp rotary rx7 (considering the gearing was the same) despite the rotary making that much horsepower compared to the weight and displacement of the engine, its the horespower compared to the weight of the entire car that counts. The engine only accounts for a portion of the entire weight.

Although it would be considered sacrireligious (sp?) by most to throw away a rotary I still think the car is cool.

People throw the hole 2.6l because each side of the rotar has 1 power stroke for every 360degrees of rotation where as your conventional 4 stroke only gets 1 every 720. it is still a 1.3l engine but has won awards in the 1.0l-1.5l and 2.4l-3.0l engine classes so ive heard.
and an 88' AE86 carola may be faster with a 200hp motor but i'd still keep the old AE in there and mod it to 100-120.... its jsut a matter of opinion. which is why i stated in my first post
"IMO LS1 powered FD is like Turbo H22 powered z28"
IMO=In My Opinion.

I've been trying to beat the reliability of a rotary into people’s heads for a while now so I'll go ahead and spill the beans.
Most rotaries that you see with blown seals or that go down well before their time are due to owner screw ups, in other words people that didn't know how to mod or build the engine.
Anyone that owns one can be called a specialist basically because you can work on one, not to say that anyone can but if you are companent(sp?) at working on a piston engine there's no reason why you can't work on a rotary.
Now I've heard horror stories of rebuilds from "specialists" that just didn't know how to build an engine to specs, they just throw parts in and let their name get drug through the mud when it blows at 50k miles. The same goes for a piston engine, if you don't know how to work in tolerances then don't play with an engine or your going to screw something up.

Now onto the ungodly power of the 10 year old cars, we can play at this all day but the fact remains that technology changes for the good allowing better power to be made and faster cars to be pumped out cheaper, how can a 10 year old car keep up to today’s technology? It can't, granted they were great cars for their time but their time is over, you can continue to build them for great power but there is a point where you run out of options and something else is going to be better.

Now onto my opinion of what Mazda should have done with the FD's, PUT THE 20brew IN THEM !!!
There was enough room in the engine compartment for them so why weren't they put in? My guess is cost and the fact that most people weren't taking proper care of the cars so they had to scrap the car in the US.

So my rant is over and I know some might not feel the same as I do but hey that’s life.

Then the 7's where replaced by the far inferior RX-8's.... why god why? mazda is sapposed to be putting a proper rotarty powered replacement by 2010 but ive only heard that once ot twice and thereh has yet to be any proof. so im begining to have my doubts...itso nly 5 years away the design team should be hot and heavy into the mechanical deisgn of the thing if they want to get it out before 2010... well we can only way and see. i know that if i am in a financial situation to buy one i will....to hold me off untill i can afford my porsche.... :iceslolan

Ive heard rumors of a come back of the RX-7, and it will be the super sport car, and the RX-8 will kinda be like the less powerfull, entry level version.

wow.
no car "replaced" the rx-7. the rx-8 is just a different approach to a rotary sports car. mazda needed something safe for the rotary to re enter the market, after it got owned by warranties on the FD.

i agree the ls1 rx7 is a good swap. but i just wonder how much it costs vs keeping the 13b; you can make close to 400hp with stock turbos (but thats the limit).

ive heard that you dont want to take them past 350... but hey, i havent owned one (i just want a 2nd gen NA as a track car. or an old 4cyl fox body stang)

4 cyl stang??? wtf? my sister had one. it was a droptop. there are 2 engines (i think) for te 4 cylinder. im not sure of the spec differences but one engine had 4 spark plugs the other has 8.

the old 80's 4cyl fox bodies...they arent fast but they can be made to handle quite well and if it last though my teen years and i get the money i will be able to drop a 5.0 in there....
im not a ford fan but hey, chevy didnt make a popular RWD sport oriented car with a small engine in mid-late 80's. only comaro's...and i refuse to ever drive a FWD car...
besides TMV on an 89 Stang LX Coupe 4cyl in avg condition is 500 and around here you can pick thoes kind of cars up for around 75% TMV...

im sorry.... i dont see your point

AutoX and something to play with... my truck will have to last me untill im at least a good part through colledge...but i still would like to have something i can drive the hell out of...