data collecting recorders

I just read this in the paper, is this part of obd II? Just wondering if these are in our vehicles.

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/pfriendly.php?url=/news/regionalnews/39191.htm

I have heard of this before, it is stored in the computer and consists of info gathered by all the sensors in the car, but the story I heard said that it started in the mid 90's and was only in higher end cars and slowly increased until around 2000 when 90% of new cars had it. which means it is in far less cars than the 65% stated in the article.

I saw on TV about a year ago where the first person being charged with vehicle manslaughter using the computer as evidence was in court.

The computer showed his speed, and the fact that he never hit his brakes, even after the crash.

Like blazee sayes they can't be in all our trucks. I wouldn't know what year they started putting them in the S-10.

Until the cost of anilizing the computer becomes affordable they'll probably only use the readout for big accidents.
You can actually use the info to prove that you weren't speeding if you figure that a cop is targeting you

Oh In BC Canada someone recently proved that all the radar's were out 25% and this was probably done through these computers (lousy ripp off theiving governments)

It is not the governments fault people are speeding.

no, but the police, as a part of the govt, its their dep. fault their equipment isnt up to date or at bare minimum accurate!

True, but let's not blame them for catching people speeding though.

they don't even look at people unless they are doing 15km/hr over the speed limit here.

If they pull you over, you know you were over that.

i think thats about 10 mph correct? (i know, typical ignorant american bastard) and you must be doing that or greater to be pulled over here, but it would have realy pissed me off if the cop that gave me my one and only ticket added a few km/h or mph, which gives me more points and a larger fine, i was right on the edge of being in the next bracket, I agree with you totaly saying it was my fault for speeding as it is anyones fault for doing anything illegal. It's just that i would rather have law enforcement have the equipment to give me the correct punishment for my crime and not something more severe.

Since every single radar in British Columbia was proven to be 25% out it must have been because they were deliberatly set that way. if even 5% were out that much it might have been a coincidence, but every one was proven to be out the same amount.

Our present government has literally told the cops to do nothing more than enforce traffic violations as a form of revenue collecting, and out preimer is a drunk that probably buys his way out of every impared charge except in Hawaii

Hehe, I heard about your premier, hehe, funny.

wait, the radars are out of whack?? i want my dang $ 300 back, and my 10 points back on my license.

canida mike, canida, not in the us, the screw us over different ways

these "black boxes" are in a vehicle that you OWN. The government is using YOUR property to prosesute YOU??

Well, here goes:
Attention all Aurora Police: On February 1st, I was going down the 3800 block of S. Tower Rd at 9:45pm and was traveling 80mph in a 40mph zone, also I don't remember using my turn signal while switching lanes.

Is that any different that the black box???

You forgot to tell them that you weren't wearing a seat belt, and you were drinking a root beer at the time

HAHAHA, hey how'd you know about the seatbelt (i get forgetful about putting it on) great another ticket for me.

these "black boxes" are in a vehicle that you OWN. The government is using YOUR property to prosesute YOU??

Well, here goes:
Attention all Aurora Police: On February 1st, I was going down the 3800 block of S. Tower Rd at 9:45pm and was traveling 80mph in a 40mph zone, also I don't remember using my turn signal while switching lanes.

Is that any different that the black box???

The point is, if you were driving recklessly and you killed someone and they needed evidence, they have every right to.

Take this example for food for thought. You shot someone with a gun. Don't you think the police has the right to see whether that bullet matched that gun?

Think for a bit, they wouldn't be checking out your truck computer at random, they would have a reason to do so.

blazerLT, i understand what you are saying, but my thing is that its YOUR property being used to prosecute you. Evidence:: what about the dead guy? glass shards in my face? skidmarks? other people witnessing the accident/crime? they do NOT need to have a black box in my truck. As for my gun, i have paid for it as well, and yes come check it; I don't want to be jailed for killing someone that I didn't. Its not just about getting off, but to have some type of privacy for the innocent and guilty alike. If I were to be driving a rental car and ended up killing another person, it should be up to the company (Hertz, Enterprize, Budget, Uhaul), then it is their right to have the black box. I have not paid for that vehicle, they have.

True they won't be just "checking up" on me, but i disagree that I should need to be spied on.

if you havnt, pick up the book 1980 by George (not sure of last name) it deals with big brother runing our lives and spying on us, just keep in mind the book was written in like the 1920's or earlyer

found it 1984 by George Orwell, just finished downloading it

blazerLT, i understand what you are saying, but my thing is that its YOUR property being used to prosecute you. Evidence:: what about the dead guy? glass shards in my face? skidmarks? other people witnessing the accident/crime? they do NOT need to have a black box in my truck. As for my gun, i have paid for it as well, and yes come check it; I don't want to be jailed for killing someone that I didn't. Its not just about getting off, but to have some type of privacy for the innocent and guilty alike. If I were to be driving a rental car and ended up killing another person, it should be up to the company (Hertz, Enterprize, Budget, Uhaul), then it is their right to have the black box. I have not paid for that vehicle, they have.

True they won't be just "checking up" on me, but i disagree that I should need to be spied on.

Speaking of rental cars...I have heard of rental companies using black boxes so they can tell how you treated their car. Some include a section for penalties of misuse in the contract, when they check the black box and it shows you were reckless, they will send you a bill in the mail.

I agree with the usage of the black boxes in rental cars, since most people will drive a rental car harder than their own.

blazerLT, i understand what you are saying, but my thing is that its YOUR property being used to prosecute you. Evidence:: what about the dead guy? glass shards in my face? skidmarks? other people witnessing the accident/crime? they do NOT need to have a black box in my truck. As for my gun, i have paid for it as well, and yes come check it; I don't want to be jailed for killing someone that I didn't. Its not just about getting off, but to have some type of privacy for the innocent and guilty alike. If I were to be driving a rental car and ended up killing another person, it should be up to the company (Hertz, Enterprize, Budget, Uhaul), then it is their right to have the black box. I have not paid for that vehicle, they have.

True they won't be just "checking up" on me, but i disagree that I should need to be spied on.

So, you shot a guy and if they want to see if the gun you had was used in the killing, even though it is yours, they shouldn't be able to check the gun?

With respect to the truck, the truck is the gun and the driver is the bullet. They have every right to see if you caused the accident or was driving recklessly.

Data collectors are not just for eveidence, they can also be used if a major failure caused an accident. The box will show what was happening which caused it.

Let's stop with the "government watching" paranoid crap and realize that it can be used for either situation and it really doesn't have anything to do with the administration.

Only people that should be worried are the ones that drove like morons and possibly killed someone.

what im saying is that there are more serious matters in a accident than if i was going 9mph over the limit, what about my blood alcohol content, condition of brakes/tires, or whether im physically/mentally able to drive.

what im saying is that there are more serious matters in a accident than if i was going 9mph over the limit, what about my blood alcohol content, condition of brakes/tires, or whether im physically/mentally able to drive.

They will be able to check that at the scene and blood tests.

only people worried about them check the data is the guilty ones.

well, if i ran the red light or hit the butt end of a car then i am automatically guilty! no need for the waste of time to find out what the OBD says

Pointless talking about this anymore, you can't wrap your brain around this but instead throw back ridiculous situations which the box is not intended for.

i never said the black box was useless, just being used in the wrong manner that it was meant for.

What is it meant for then?

to find out if there are mechanical issues with a vehicle. thats about the only i can explain it.

to find out if there are mechanical issues with a vehicle. thats about the only i can explain it.

Ah, so black box recorders on jets are only there to track a mechanical failure, but not there to record whether the pilot did something wrong?

Ah, so black box recorders on jets are only there to track a mechanical failure, but not there to record whether the pilot did something wrong?
and before any one says it they put black boxes on all plains now not just commercial ones

with jets people are paying to get to their destination safely. they're (black boxes) equipped for a great number of reasons, yes, including pilot error because there is more then 2 - 10 lives at risk, we're talking over a hundred lives here.

And there are millions of cars on the road carrying much more passengers than all the jets combined.

Face it, you drive like an idiot, you cause an accident, you kill someone, they have the right to the information.

yes more cars on the roads, but im not going to be in a situation where im going to hit 60+ cars, right???

put the shoe on the other foot, your siting at a 2 way stop, and in the distence, theres a set of headlights, so yo go for it, and b4 you know it your tale end is where the front end was, meaning t-boned, now your at fault for not waiting at a stop, but if they can prove the person was going over the speed limit quite substantialy, isnt that a good thing? and i know they can get a good estimate on how fast he was going, but the little black box will be dead accurate

yes more cars on the roads, but im not going to be in a situation where im going to hit 60+ cars, right???

AM I TALKING TO A WALL???!!!!

Is this conversation about YOU? No!

It is about someone driving recklessly and the police using the data recorder to prove they were indeed doing that.

AM I TALKING TO A WALL???!!!!

Is this conversation about YOU? No!

It is about someone driving recklessly and the police using the data recorder to prove they were indeed doing that.
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Speaking of rental cars...I have heard of rental companies using black boxes so they can tell how you treated their car. Some include a section for penalties of misuse in the contract, when they check the black box and it shows you were reckless, they will send you a bill in the mail.

Good thing that I was nice to that rental truck that I had yesterday. They went on and on about how if I off-road with it I'm responsable for all the undercarage damage, and insurance wouldn't cover it. Just because I rented a 4x4

yes more cars on the roads, but im not going to be in a situation where im going to hit 60+ cars, right???

If you drive as bad as you prove your point, I don't doubt that you would get in that situation.