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subzero temps and 93 s-10 wont start


justinofdurham
01-27-2005, 11:41 AM
here in connecticut its been freezing the past day or 2. we got quite a bit of snow so i didnt drive my rwd s-10 for 2 days. i went to start it this morning and it didnt start. so i tried a couple more times throughout the day and i still go nothing. could it be that the battery froze? i push in the clutch and turn the key and nothing happens at all. its completly silent and nothing turns on. if the battery is frozen how can i unfreeze it? ive seen people with like cardboard over the vents in front could that help me out at all to prevent it from freezing if thats teh case? i couldnt figure out a way to figure out if it was frozen or dead? any help would be appreciated. thank you.

chris15706
01-27-2005, 01:42 PM
I might be dead. Try to jump start it.

BlazerLT
01-27-2005, 02:14 PM
Charge your battery.

dmbrisket 51
01-27-2005, 05:45 PM
charge it, and pay attention to how you park, if the wind is commen from the west (9 times of 10 it is) point the front of the truck towards the east, it will keep the engin bay warmer by not havin the wind whip through it all the time

xtrememeasures10
01-27-2005, 08:26 PM
A couple of other things you might wanna try is a block heater so your oil is always close to 100 degrees there like 20 bucks at autoparts stores, also if the battery is good. turn on your headlights for a couple minutes. That will get the electrons flowing and warm the battery up. in other words up your amperage. good luck!

BlazerLT
01-27-2005, 10:22 PM
charge it, and pay attention to how you park, if the wind is commen from the west (9 times of 10 it is) point the front of the truck towards the east, it will keep the engin bay warmer by not havin the wind whip through it all the time

Nothing other than humans can experience wind chill.

It is a human condition only.

dmbrisket 51
01-27-2005, 10:31 PM
what freezes faster, a nice calm lake in the open with no wind, or the same lake with a mild wind, the lake with mild wind, the wind blows the "warm" air away, and thats all warmth is, is the area heated by something, like the fluid in your battery, if you keep recycleing the air in the engin bay the battery loses its heat quicker being exposed to the actual temperature quicker, i realize only humans feel wind chill but it effects are still noticed even though the temperature of something wont reach the wind chills temperature it will get to actual temp quicker

BlazerLT
01-27-2005, 10:45 PM
what freezes faster, a nice calm lake in the open with no wind, or the same lake with a mild wind, the lake with mild wind, the wind blows the "warm" air away, and thats all warmth is, is the area heated by something, like the fluid in your battery, if you keep recycleing the air in the engin bay the battery loses its heat quicker being exposed to the actual temperature quicker, i realize only humans feel wind chill but it effects are still noticed even though the temperature of something wont reach the wind chills temperature it will get to actual temp quicker

Sorry bro, although you are partially true, the minimum anything can go to is the air temperature.

Wind may remove heat quicker, but it will only go as low as the latent temperature of the air.

Wind chill is a "feeling" only felt by humans and nothing else.

If it is 30f out and you are going 100mph, the coldest it can get is 30f.

If it is 30f and you were going a 1000mph, the temperature of the metal will be ....yep,,,,you guessed it.....30f.

OverBoardProject
01-28-2005, 02:13 AM
Try warming up the battery first even with a hair-drier or small electric heater. Block heater, and once you get it started nose it into a snow bank. They keep things a little warmer, although it's harder to jump if you have to.

I don't like using either except on heavy equiptment, but I've sprayed WD-40 into intake system's to start dead trucks,and it often works

Mikado14
01-28-2005, 09:53 AM
Sorry bro, although you are partially true, the minimum anything can go to is the air temperature.

Wind may remove heat quicker, but it will only go as low as the latent temperature of the air.

Wind chill is a "feeling" only felt by humans and nothing else.

If it is 30f out and you are going 100mph, the coldest it can get is 30f.

If it is 30f and you were going a 1000mph, the temperature of the metal will be ....yep,,,,you guessed it.....30f.

So, there is no friction with the molecules of air at 1000 mph and the metal doesn't heat from this friction? And when the shuttle reenters the upper atmosphere, which certainly is much colder then 30 degrees, the Columbia should have never broke up from a tile failure?

Mikado14
01-28-2005, 09:54 AM
here in connecticut its been freezing the past day or 2. we got quite a bit of snow so i didnt drive my rwd s-10 for 2 days. i went to start it this morning and it didnt start. so i tried a couple more times throughout the day and i still go nothing. could it be that the battery froze? i push in the clutch and turn the key and nothing happens at all. its completly silent and nothing turns on. if the battery is frozen how can i unfreeze it? ive seen people with like cardboard over the vents in front could that help me out at all to prevent it from freezing if thats teh case? i couldnt figure out a way to figure out if it was frozen or dead? any help would be appreciated. thank you.

If the battery froze, it is junk, period. The expanding ice will damage the plates. If you do thaw it out and get a charge into it, it will be a shadow of it's former self. Get a new battery.

OverBoardProject
01-28-2005, 12:09 PM
newer cars are often built so they won't start unless there's oil pressure, which means that if the oil is to thick it'll never start

justinofdurham
01-28-2005, 12:37 PM
thank you everyone for you input. i have a small space heater that i got for 16 dollars at walmart im gonna wheel my truck into my garage and just turn the heater on and heat up the garage and see if i can get it to 40 degrees because i heard that is the temperature to unfreeze a battery. I hope it didnt die because thats a fairly new battery that the previous owner got installed 7 months ago but if it comes down to it ill have to put a new battery. do you think the 20 dollar block heater would be worth it? I am not sure how one of those installs. is it easy cause it is way too cold to work on my truck out cause unlike the truck i feel the windchill and its 5 degrees without the windchill. thanks everyone.

dmbrisket 51
01-28-2005, 12:40 PM
40 degree thawing point???? where did you hear that, if it thawed at 40 that means that it will start freezing at 40, theres snow here, that stuff melts at 32 and my battery is just fine

hunter01
01-28-2005, 12:49 PM
What about a trickle charger for the battery. I been told a charged battery is less likely to freeze.

s10bajadan
01-28-2005, 12:58 PM
How old is your battery?
The cold realy brings down the cold cranking amps and if the battery isnt putting out what is should befor you factor in the temp you have a dead battery.

If its 2 of 3 yrs old replace it.I would replace with a higher cranking amps then what you have now.

dmbrisket 51
01-28-2005, 01:12 PM
and settle for nothing less then 550 ccr (cold crank amps) the hight the number the better!

xtrememeasures10
01-28-2005, 01:26 PM
Instead of the space heater which could possibly start a fire and burn down your house. Use a block heater.
Also have you had your battery tested? Ive seen brand new
batteries with less cca's than batteries that were 4-5 years old.
Go to an autoparts place and get it tested. If its bad see if someone will warranty it. Interstate warrantys there batteries no matter where or who bought it. Even without a recipt. I dont know what kind yours is but try that.

BlazerLT
01-28-2005, 02:23 PM
So, there is no friction with the molecules of air at 1000 mph and the metal doesn't heat from this friction? And when the shuttle reenters the upper atmosphere, which certainly is much colder then 30 degrees, the Columbia should have never broke up from a tile failure?

Stop nit picking Mikado, you know what I am talking about.

Wid chill is not felt by anything but a human.

Anyone arguing otherwise is a moron that needs to learn something about science.

OverBoardProject
01-28-2005, 03:18 PM
A good, properly charged battery shouldn't ever freeze, even in the Artic. But they always work better when they are warm

Just a hair dryer should get the battery warm enough.

Block heaters require you to pop out a frost plug, and install it into the frost plug hole. If you have easy access to even 1 frost plug hole the job might be easy. But check the book first because some frost plugs have a cylinder sleeve, or something else right behind it.

If you can't remove a frost plug easily don't panic, there is another type of block heater that goes between one of the engine drain plugs, and your heater core.
These block heaters are pricy I just paid $80.00 Canadian, but they actually keep your cab warmer since they are constantly pumping warmer fluid through your heater core.

BlazerLT
01-28-2005, 04:22 PM
You are right, the charge of the battery directly relates to its freezing point.

A discharged battery will freeze at a higher temperature than any fully charged battery.

movin2stereo
01-28-2005, 08:17 PM
Sorry bro, although you are partially true, the minimum anything can go to is the air temperature.

Wind may remove heat quicker, but it will only go as low as the latent temperature of the air.

Wind chill is a "feeling" only felt by humans and nothing else.

If it is 30f out and you are going 100mph, the coldest it can get is 30f.

If it is 30f and you were going a 1000mph, the temperature of the metal will be ....yep,,,,you guessed it.....30f.
At that speed ,I would also have to say the metal would heat up.I also know that you were just using that as an example,so to speak.

Mikado14
01-29-2005, 11:22 AM
Stop nit picking Mikado, you know what I am talking about.

Wid chill is not felt by anything but a human.

Anyone arguing otherwise is a moron that needs to learn something about science.

I am not nit picking here. Think of what you said about 1000 mph and the metal staying at the ambient temp, that is what I am referring to. What about an air cooled motorcylcle engine sitting still or moving along at 60 mph. The transfer of heat is greater with the flow and volume of air across the surface. It will never be at the ambient temp due to the combustion in the cylinder taking place but it's temp will vary with the flow of air. If the battery is shielded from the wind it will be at the ambient temp, if exposed, the wind will reduce the surface temp. Explain how it can be 34 degrees with a wind chill (I use this term loosely) that is below freezing and you can get black ice on the road surface or on a bridge. Again this is general for there are other factors such as sunlight on the surface.

Secondly, I am only opening the subject to discussion since this is a forum for that purpose, and as usual, you call me a moron and say I need to learn something.

And further, you are correct in the term "wind chill" for it refers to "feeling" which is what inanimate objects lack but is also used to determine the effect of the wind in cooling.

dmbrisket 51
01-29-2005, 11:31 AM
blazer is right, nothing will get below actual temp, im not arguin that, and i didnt say it in the first place, but what i did say is that it gets there quicker if the air is recycled constently, thats how insulation works, its keeps air in, where it should be, and the cold (yes i kno there is no such thing as cold, only a lack of heat, dont go there) out, same thing, parking away from the wind against something insulates it, will it reach the temp outside? most deff. but it will take longer...and i may be dead wrong on this one but i admit that, but i think all mamals feel a form of wind chill, just to the human temp wind chill is what it feel like outside, bare assed walken at 4miles per hour, but i beleve all mamals feel the effect of the wind blowing there warming air away from their bodys

BlazerLT
01-29-2005, 04:10 PM
I am not nit picking here. Think of what you said about 1000 mph and the metal staying at the ambient temp, that is what I am referring to. What about an air cooled motorcylcle engine sitting still or moving along at 60 mph. The transfer of heat is greater with the flow and volume of air across the surface. It will never be at the ambient temp due to the combustion in the cylinder taking place but it's temp will vary with the flow of air. If the battery is shielded from the wind it will be at the ambient temp, if exposed, the wind will reduce the surface temp. Explain how it can be 34 degrees with a wind chill (I use this term loosely) that is below freezing and you can get black ice on the road surface or on a bridge. Again this is general for there are other factors such as sunlight on the surface.

Secondly, I am only opening the subject to discussion since this is a forum for that purpose, and as usual, you call me a moron and say I need to learn something.

And further, you are correct in the term "wind chill" for it refers to "feeling" which is what inanimate objects lack but is also used to determine the effect of the wind in cooling.

I never called you a moron, did I, nope, checked again, I did not.

Wind may remove heat away from something faster, but the objects temperature will not drop any lower than air temperature, period.

Mikado14
01-29-2005, 06:54 PM
You claim to know the first and second laws of thermodynamics along with entropy. Secondly, heat dissipation calculations specify with or without air movement across the object the calculations are being performed on. That is as far as I will go.

As to calling me a moron, directly, no. However, I did, as you call it, argue by posting, you are calling me a moron.

But your right and I am wrong. Don't argue(read here "post an opposing view") with LT, you might get banned.

dmbrisket 51
01-29-2005, 09:21 PM
blazer is not a mean guy by far and is great help most of the time, he just strongly backs up what he says, nothing wrong with that, because he was right, nothing will get below the outside temp, the wind wont make it colder, only feel it, but i never said that, it was a misunderstanding and now were are arguing about something very stupid

BlazerLT
01-29-2005, 11:23 PM
You claim to know the first and second laws of thermodynamics along with entropy. Secondly, heat dissipation calculations specify with or without air movement across the object the calculations are being performed on. That is as far as I will go.

As to calling me a moron, directly, no. However, I did, as you call it, argue by posting, you are calling me a moron.

But your right and I am wrong. Don't argue(read here "post an opposing view") with LT, you might get banned.

Again, I am not picking a fight, I am stating science which is that wind chill is a human condition only.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/images/afi/windchill.html

I never called oyu a moron and you know that. I stated anyone arguing that windchill was NOT only a human condition is a moron.

Also, I will never ban someone for such a childish reason.

Let's just move on shall we, we are doing nothing for the members by bickering endlessly.

busa_4
01-31-2005, 01:17 PM
sorry all i couldnt help but laugh at the 1000mph and 30f thing, so i have to put my 2 cents in. wind chill froze your battery. end of story. charge it up or replace it if it wont hold a charge. as for the 1000mph issue. anything moving at that speed will create wind resistance which in turn is friction which causes heat. back to point at hand. wind chill is the temp at which outside air is reached only during wind. if it is 30 degrees and you have a 15mph wind the air temp at the time of wind is colder. once the wind stops your back at 30 degrees again. humans are not the only ones that experience wind chill. in january, 1994 when i lived in chicago the outside temp was -40 degrees and the wind chill brought the temp down to -80 degrees which was enough to freeze the coolant and oil in my engine.

BlazerLT
01-31-2005, 01:41 PM
sorry all i couldnt help but laugh at the 1000mph and 30f thing, so i have to put my 2 cents in. wind chill froze your battery. end of story. charge it up or replace it if it wont hold a charge. as for the 1000mph issue. anything moving at that speed will create wind resistance which in turn is friction which causes heat. back to point at hand. wind chill is the temp at which outside air is reached only during wind. if it is 30 degrees and you have a 15mph wind the air temp at the time of wind is colder. once the wind stops your back at 30 degrees again. humans are not the only ones that experience wind chill. in january, 1994 when i lived in chicago the outside temp was -40 degrees and the wind chill brought the temp down to -80 degrees which was enough to freeze the coolant and oil in my engine.

You must have some ESP if you can definitely claim anything is wrong "END OF STORY" over the internet.

AND YES, HUMAN AND ANIMALS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO EXPERIENCE WIND CHILL!!!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/winter/windchill/wind-chill-second-law.htm

Hahahaha!, wind chill froze my oil in my truck. You kidding right, I certainly hope so.

Give me a break bud, only person that should be laughing here is me. You are arguing out of pure ignorance.

Click the link above and learn something before you start laughing at me.

busa_4
01-31-2005, 01:44 PM
your a moron!

BlazerLT
01-31-2005, 01:45 PM
your a moron!

Umm.....

That would be spelled "You're a moron!"

Skip english class today?

busa_4
01-31-2005, 01:46 PM
actually oil froze in my car but since you know it all you should have known that. moron!!!!!

busa_4
01-31-2005, 01:47 PM
i didnt know i was in english class pussy.

BlazerLT
01-31-2005, 01:48 PM
Goodbye!

busa_4
01-31-2005, 01:49 PM
i been on here since august and your the only asshole posting on here thinking your always right. well guess what ass fuck! your not.

busa_4
01-31-2005, 01:50 PM
you gave up so easy!!!!!! :(((((((((((((((

BlazerLT
01-31-2005, 01:51 PM
See you later!

dmbrisket 51
01-31-2005, 02:40 PM
so when someones banned, does that stop the ip adress from acessing the sight? or just them from posting?

BlazerLT
01-31-2005, 02:51 PM
so when someones banned, does that stop the ip adress from acessing the sight? or just them from posting?

That is up the admin.

This is the kind of attitude we won't tolerate on Automotiveforums.com

movin2stereo
01-31-2005, 06:51 PM
That is up the admin.

This is the kind of attitude we won't tolerate on Automotiveforums.com
Must be nice to have the power!I envy you.:)

lampug
01-31-2005, 07:51 PM
blazerlt you have to try harder than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dmbrisket 51
01-31-2005, 10:26 PM
obveously not, it seams to work fine, twice in fact

justinofdurham
02-16-2005, 02:12 PM
haha how funny would it be if i came back to say that i left some lights on or something and thats why my battery died hahaha. well anyones thats not the case. i took out the battery and brought it to autozone they tested it and it was frozen, windchill or not haha. eitehr way i bought a new battery with more cold cranking amps and were back in business ready to shred up the frozen connecticut roads that are now warm cause i havent looked at this post in so long.haha thanks everoyne for arguing about my battery i guess haha thanks for the input everyone,

BlazerLT
02-16-2005, 02:18 PM
No offense, but do you have some sort of mental condition that compels your to put HAHA every sentence?

movin2stereo
02-16-2005, 06:45 PM
No offense, but do you have some sort of mental condition that compels your to put HAHA every sentence?
HAHAHA Brain Damage HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :screwy:

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