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'Bout died tonight doing tune up


v10_viper
12-28-2004, 04:10 AM
I know all of you are gonna call me stupid or careless over this but here goes...

Truck was running kinda shitty and it's been 50K miles since a good tune up so I was replacing: Spark plugs and wires, cap and rotor, thermostat, PCV valve, and air filter was changed a while back, and fuel filter <--thats the scary part. I was underneath there takin her off and i got the back fitting off just fine, front fitting wouldn't budge, tried some JB-80 on her and let it sit for awhile would not budge. I looked at the line thinking maybe if we disconnect it up top i can stick it in the vise, no can do, it's probably possible i just couldn't get it. So here is where I REALLY FUCKED UP!!! I thought about takin heat to it and I ended up wrapping gloves around the line that was disconnected and the filter, now this did work for about the first 20 seconds she never caught flame but damned if i said she didn't just burst into flames after that. And being carless(I was damned determined to get that filter off) i never had anyone around or even a fire extinguisher. So here i was laying under my truck with pretty good flames trying to put it out with whatever i could, burnt the piss out of my right hand and fingers in the process. I got out from underneath it, ran over grabbed a sleeping bag and opened the garage door and got back under it and shoved the sleeping bag in ever spot i could thinking if i could cut off the air i'd stop, fuck was i ever wrong. I then got in the truck stuck it in neutral got it off the ramps but couldn't push it any farther back, the creeper was in the way for one but i was too panicky to realize that, i ran and got my dad and we pushed it out and backed it right into our van(now i need a new tail light). My parents tried water and i ran in the house and grabbed extinguisher and it got put out after about 3-4 minutes of time. Wasn't too bad, melted the plastic pieces and it's all black under there, i might try and get some pics for ya but it burnt about 3 feet of the wire under there so now i have to get that now, but hey the filter came off!! haha hell of a way to get it off too...(sorry that was so long)

Needless to say though the fuel filter is staying there for another year or longer. I got everything else done and it'd better have another 20 percent more power as shitty as it was. The cap got changed when the plugs did, over 50K miles ago and the wires were stock, and pretty much when i was pullin wires off the cap there was corrosion literally just falling out, I'd have been embarrassed for anyone to see that. But the plugs are splitfires, nothing too special but not a bad plug, and the wires are MSD Heli Core's.

I'm sorry it was such a long post and I'll accept all the criticism you guys wanna throw at me, I've been told to never do that and it's not the first time I've replaced a fuel filter but my determined mind got me in a mess but it's 3 in the morning and I'm dead tired...take it easy everybody...

NY_Z28Man
12-28-2004, 12:36 PM
Hey man sorry to hear bout your problem. Let me tell you what i did to fix that stuck fuel filter problem. I got out my cut off tool and cut the line about 3 inches past the filter on each side. Then I bought a foot of high pressure fuel line and 4 worm-gear clamps. Then I went out and got a fuel filter for a ford truck with the dual male ends and used that filter. Filters all work the same no matter if it's Ford or Chevy. They will both hold up to the pressure of the chevy vortec system. Try that next time its a HELL of a lot safer!
-Paul

GMMerlin
12-28-2004, 01:37 PM
Well if you are going to be stupid, you better be tough!

Ignition temp of gasoline is -30 degrees...what were you thinking :loser:

bowtiebandit
12-28-2004, 06:16 PM
Hey man sorry to hear bout your problem. Let me tell you what i did to fix that stuck fuel filter problem. I got out my cut off tool and cut the line about 3 inches past the filter on each side. Then I bought a foot of high pressure fuel line and 4 worm-gear clamps. Then I went out and got a fuel filter for a ford truck with the dual male ends and used that filter. Filters all work the same no matter if it's Ford or Chevy. They will both hold up to the pressure of the chevy vortec system. Try that next time its a HELL of a lot safer!
-Paul

Using some common sense is even better

v10_viper
12-28-2004, 09:06 PM
Using some common sense is even better

YES!! I definately agree with bowtiebandit. Naa next time I'll prob just get some new fuel lines for the one line cuz i put a vice grips on the out end and fucked up the bolt there, not hte bolt the head or w/e, and the inlet end line has a little crimp in it from running over a fence post.

'97ventureowner
12-29-2004, 12:11 AM
I've replaced the filter in my '94 1500 three times since I've owned the truck (purchased new.) Each time I had trouble removing the fuel line from the front of the filter. I also had the same problem twice with a '90 Lesabre I own. I wonder if it is a problem amongst GM vehicles where the fuel filter is located on the driver's side rear of vehicle.It could possibly be caused by all the crap that gets kicked up in that area under the vehicle. I remember looking under my truck a year after purchasing it and noticing how rusty the fitting looked at the front of the filter. I chalked it up to living in an area that gets a lot of snow and uses a large amount of road salt. Too bad some sort of deflector ( plastic or metal) couldn't have been designed and installed near the filter to keep that area dry and debris free. That would probably make it easier to get the fuel line off the front of the filter.

v10_viper
12-29-2004, 12:35 AM
I've replaced the filter in my '94 1500 three times since I've owned the truck (purchased new.) Each time I had trouble removing the fuel line from the front of the filter. I also had the same problem twice with a '90 Lesabre I own. I wonder if it is a problem amongst GM vehicles where the fuel filter is located on the driver's side rear of vehicle.It could possibly be caused by all the crap that gets kicked up in that area under the vehicle. I remember looking under my truck a year after purchasing it and noticing how rusty the fitting looked at the front of the filter. I chalked it up to living in an area that gets a lot of snow and uses a large amount of road salt. Too bad some sort of deflector ( plastic or metal) couldn't have been designed and installed near the filter to keep that area dry and debris free. That would probably make it easier to get the fuel line off the front of the filter.

Yea changing it on my sister's 1990 Caddy was a breeze. And thanks for the idea i might just make some sort of shield to protect it. I dont know why the front has to be so damn rusty when the back one came off without effort. Needless to say I'm kind of glad that happened because we ran into a problem with the water pump, leaking terribly now and i've got it all rewired now, just gotta tuck it back up there and we're changing water pump, rear brake cylinders and gadamn it it had better run flawlessly after all of this.

NY_Z28Man
12-29-2004, 12:39 AM
Whats so non-common sense about cutting a fuel line with a cut-off tool or a hack saw. If you live in the great north like I do. Fuel filters seem to just mold in with the lines cause of the massive amounts of rust and people not changing thier fuel filters for 60,000 miles. Anything you try to do to get those fittings loose will eventually break the line itself or the fitting. Cutting a fuel line is safe I've done it many times. Its like taking a lit cigarette and throwing it into a cup of gas. It does nothing but goes out. The thing that lights straight fuel on fire is open flame. Hell your spark plugs couldnt light straight fuel on fire it has to be vaporized, mixed with air, and compressed. Many Techs in the north will use a ford fuel filter in replace of the Chevy filter(especially working flat rate, messin around cost you money). We've even tried taking an air hammer and putting regular hammer on the back side of the fitting and hammered at it to break the rust lose. That just eventually weakened the line enough to break. If it's to bad to even clamp to then just replace the line from the tank up to the throttle body.

skipr
12-29-2004, 01:18 AM
Liquid gasoline does not burn, the vapor does and it does not have to be commpressed, a spark will ignite it, like GM merlin said -30 ignition thats what they call it's "Flashpoint". A spark from a power tools brush armeture is enough. Water is useless on petroleum firesy. Get yourself a monoammonium phosphate -based fire extinguisher if your going to play with heat and fuel lines. Heres a little footnote: Volkswagen Bugs used to have fuel lines ran over the top of generator to get to carb inlet, that proved to be a very bad design. If fuel line leaked , it caught fire from the brush spark in generator.

NY_Z28Man
12-29-2004, 11:09 AM
Well I'm not going to argue with that I'm just getting lucky every time I do it then I guess :) . When one actually lights up on me I'll let ya know. I always have an ABC extinguisher next to me when im playin with gas. Just cause it prolly wont happen doesnt mean i trust it. Till that day I'm gunna keep on cuttin :cool:

indyboom
12-30-2004, 04:36 AM
Guys.. Think outside the BOX.. Try to use a little Anti Seize on the threads. Just dont let any raw fuel take it off..

v10_viper
12-30-2004, 05:04 AM
Guys.. Think outside the BOX.. Try to use a little Anti Seize on the threads. Just dont let any raw fuel take it off..

Hey hey, try telling the guy that changed it before me that, I did put anti seize on both ends and the outside of the bolts and I think that's what makes it rust on there us because it's open to all the elements of driving. I put anti seize on just about every damn bolt that goes on my truck especially underneath of it. And I know this pays off well cuz when we first got the truck and changed the thermostat we did it, and 50 some thousand miles later the anti seize on those two bolts is still damn good.

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