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blight
12-28-2004, 01:07 AM
This past months of "sport compact car magazine" just showed the new "infiniti GT-r" They say that it will come as a 07 modle in 06'.

This may or may not be old news but i guess now it is official the gtr is no longer the gtr but a fancy g35. Oh well, i guess I know what car I'm going to test drive next year!

nismo_power
12-28-2004, 01:32 AM
what the hell do you expect. its going to be based off the fm platform like the g35. the engine isnt confirmed yet but they were thinking that the engine is going be based off the rumors floating around the online car authority forums (AF, FA, nissanforums, skylinesdownunder) that it will be a twin turboed vq30 or vq32.

VQuick
12-28-2004, 08:26 AM
This may or may not be old news but i guess now it is official the gtr is no longer the gtr but a fancy g35. Oh well, i guess I know what car I'm going to test drive next year!

It was just a G35 mocked up to be a test mule. Styling probably isn't finalized yet.

nismo_power
12-28-2004, 02:17 PM
It was just a G35 mocked up to be a test mule. Styling probably isn't finalized yet.


it was a test mule, but i bet that the final version wont be far from what they showd.

blight
12-28-2004, 02:43 PM
it was a test mule, but i bet that the final version wont be far from what they showd.
well i hope so - also i wish they would go the twin turbo v8 route that would be amazing. Also they should keep up with the rest of the world also only 450 - come on now everyone else is doing at LEAST 500hp. not that hp matters its torque but come on keep up now.

Hey you guys with that 450 mark what do you think that new gtr run in the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile times? how about if it was 500? I don't know how much it ways so I don't know what it would be even to guess.

Hey does anyone have a scanner - i don't otherwise I would have posted up that article here as a pic.

nismo_power
12-28-2004, 04:26 PM
dude.....why are you hating on the 450 hp, when you love the 276 the OLD gtrs are putting out? this thing will be making twice as much power, with much newer and better technology.

blight
12-28-2004, 04:59 PM
dude.....why are you hating on the 450 hp, when you love the 276 the OLD gtrs are putting out? this thing will be making twice as much power, with much newer and better technology.

well as i said 500 hp is the new thing. back them 300 or so was "the thing" 450 is going to make it underpowered in comparsion to the other cars. Handleing- well hopfully it will kill all the rest like it did before. but now that eveyone (as it seems) is going the FR torque tube setup. I don't know what they are going to do to compete with that. Also they better make it cheaper than a vette because then no one is even going to look at it then.

the viper is more expensive than the vette but has more power and performance this is why.

now the vette will be 500, so if it is going to be 450hp then it better be cheaper.

now i'm not "hatin'" (man unless your a rapper "for real yo" you should stop with that kind of lingo "dog" it makes you look dumb- i'm not trying to insult you here just some advise. For example those that say like too much are considered unintelligent- now i'm sure your not but it makes you sound as such) i'm just stating a fact of the industry- no more no less.

nismo_power
12-28-2004, 06:16 PM
think about this. on an AWD car, having as much power as possible isnt always the best thing. the new GT-R will be able to spank a viper from a dig, same with the vette. awd is always better off the line than rwd. and think about this....vipers have shitty handling.

and kid, id watch who you mouth off to. im tired of you mouth spewing diarhea. you are very good at spreading false, or completly incorrect information.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

VQuick
12-29-2004, 08:37 AM
it was a test mule, but i bet that the final version wont be far from what they showd.

The thing is, the new G35, using a newer version of the FM platform, will be out by the time the GT-R is launched. We don't even know what the G35 will look like, so there's really no telling how the GT-R will look.

VQuick
12-29-2004, 08:54 AM
well i hope so - also i wish they would go the twin turbo v8 route that would be amazing. Also they should keep up with the rest of the world also only 450 - come on now everyone else is doing at LEAST 500hp. not that hp matters its torque but come on keep up now.

Maybe there will be a V8 later. Nissan has to keep something up their sleeve. Notice how they didnt go the V8 route in JGTC, but still dominated? :wink:

Hey you guys with that 450 mark what do you think that new gtr run in the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile times? how about if it was 500? I don't know how much it ways so I don't know what it would be even to guess.


Power for the GT-R has been rumored to be as high as 480ps(473hp).

In comparison, the Ferrari F430 has 490hp, and weighs a bit more than a base 350Z at 3197lbs. Car and Driver got a 3.5 sec 0-60 out of it, and ran an 11.7@123mph.

With the generous use of carbon fiber and aluminum(in the body and chassis), a lighter awd system, and other weight saving measures, the GT-R might not weigh much more than the 350Z either. That would especially be the case if the GT-R were based on the 350Z's short wheelbase variant of the FM platform, rather than the longer G35 variant. This leads me to believe that the GT-R could be almost as fast as the F430 off the line, possibly faster. It should have no problem beating a 911 Turbo then, unless the 997 version is radically changed from the 996(more power, less weight, different awd).

The way Nissan has been bumping the outputs of their models after a couple years, don't be surprised to see the GT-R creep up to 500hp later on.

blight
12-29-2004, 01:18 PM
well as i said before i certainly hope so.

blight
12-29-2004, 01:26 PM
think about this. on an AWD car, having as much power as possible isnt always the best thing. the new GT-R will be able to spank a viper from a dig, same with the vette. awd is always better off the line than rwd. and think about this....vipers have shitty handling.

and kid, id watch who you mouth off to. im tired of you mouth spewing diarhea. you are very good at spreading false, or completly incorrect information.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

um.... what false information would that be? am i missing something here? If i need to be corrected on something I had previously posted then post it. What do I care. And what do you mean "watch who you mouth off to" what are you going to do jump out of my computer screen and bite me? And I am not a "kid" thanks for the asumtion albeit it make me think higher of you.

Also you forget the awd system is always going to be heavier. this is why the high fuel dragsters have rwd so I am not so sure about that... also notice no turbos either superchargers. that is for dragging though the turbos are for those track cars.

nismo_power
12-29-2004, 02:17 PM
you are aware that the skyline is ment for road racing, not drag cars. and most top drag cars use turbos anyways, so you just made an ass of yourself twice in one reply. awd system may make the car alittle heavier, but when you have all 4 wheels pushing the weight of the car, it makes it that much faster. ever wonder why you see AWD cars blow the doors off an overpowered rwd car? they dont have as much tire spin and get much much more traction. if you dont know why AWD is better, then you dont deserve to even come near a skyline.

"So say one flys over to japan. Takes a new Gtr (r34) apart and takes all the drivetrain stuff -screw the shell. Imports it to america and grafts it all to say a 32 ford or something (well just anything maybe a 240 whatever has the closest wheel base to it) would this be legal at all. Oh and when I say this I don't care about states with emissions. Also don't care about "bastardizing" a car either - I just what a quick yes or no if there is one."

after that, theres about 5 other posts that YOU made talking abuot how to get a skyline in the states, after we told you the ONLY WAY TO DO IT. and are you sure you arent some prepubscent kid? because you sure type like it.

2of9
12-30-2004, 04:37 PM
SCC magazine, Motor Trend, Road and Track...i aint gonna believe that there is going to be a GTR until i see some1 driving it...(me), well rumors of the Supra too. The GTR they're making seems very spendy to buy too..

nismo_power
12-30-2004, 04:51 PM
supra will be even worse. every source that ive heard about the supra from (magazines, online forums, online websites), are all agreeing that the car is going to be priced around the 100k price range.

HighOctaneNOSUser
12-30-2004, 06:55 PM
I've heard V10 rumors flyin around the supra...Can anyone confirm this?

jeffroski
12-31-2004, 10:16 AM
Blah blah blah, Would'nt it be mute to drift in an awd car? We can make anything fast, but it is much harder to make it handle. Loved my mustangs, but they handled like they were on ice and had no brakes after one time.

1viadrft
12-31-2004, 10:34 AM
I've heard V10 rumors flyin around the supra...Can anyone confirm this?

V10 TT as far as I heard... but you are looking at spending $100K for this Lexus Supra... a base NA version may be avaible too.

As far as I heard the new GTR may arrive as a V36 (continuing the new V series of Skylines [Nissan Skyline V35/Infiniti G35]) but it has not been confirmed as of yet. Look also for a new base Infiniti G35/Nissan Skyline V36 around the same time of the new GTR's release... which will be world-wide and including the USA.

As for engine's... it's pretty much decided that they are using the VQ series of engines. A VQ32DETT is rumored but don't be surprised if we get a VQ30DETT, ala JGTC... the work and R&D has already been done so it would not surprise me....

nismo_power
12-31-2004, 12:08 PM
1via, ive been hearing rumors that the v36 is going to be the next generation skyline, that will come out before the release of the GT-R.

1viadrft
12-31-2004, 12:29 PM
1via, ive been hearing rumors that the v36 is going to be the next generation skyline, that will come out before the release of the GT-R.


Yuh... that may be a possibility...

blight
12-31-2004, 12:32 PM
yes some do use the turbo- albeit most use the supercharger.


anyhow- The stock g35 right now as AWD is running 14.9-7s. So that tells me this car is (with 450hp) is not going to run much more than 12.7s. by the way the rwd car is the one that is running the 14.7s just for future reference.

nismo_power
12-31-2004, 12:55 PM
and why would top fuel drag cars want more low end power and sacrifice top end? retarded question if you ask me.


the g35x sedan has awd, not the coupe. and think about this, the r34 gt-r ran mid 13's bone stock. 12's wouldnt be bad.

jcsaleen
12-31-2004, 01:17 PM
Bwhahahaahahahaha man o man I guess thats everyones view of the viper till I realized the viper is road racing car as well.

blight
12-31-2004, 01:22 PM
the lower you get the torque the better in any drag race. that is what gets you off the line. NOT HP. do not make me have his discussion.

I am not going to argue with you anymore, go masturbate in your own little corner my god.

jcsaleen
12-31-2004, 01:26 PM
Blight I agree the viper is not just a drag racing car at all as some people think it is.

http://www.exoticcarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10981

This isnt exactly the the skyline but an nsx-r is decent. But the points are proven that the viper is not just some meatheaded car meant for DRAG.

VQuick
12-31-2004, 08:15 PM
anyhow- The stock g35 right now as AWD is running 14.9-7s. So that tells me this car is (with 450hp) is not going to run much more than 12.7s. by the way the rwd car is the one that is running the 14.7s just for future reference.

How do you get those figures for the GT-R? Like nismo_power said, the R34 ran mid 13s bone stock. A much lighter, more aerodynamic and much more powerful GT-R with a quicker shifting tranny(7-speed sequential, remember?) should do low 12s, if not better.

nismo_power
12-31-2004, 11:44 PM
the lower you get the torque the better in any drag race. that is what gets you off the line. NOT HP. do not make me have his discussion.

I am not going to argue with you anymore, go masturbate in your own little corner my god.



im gunna put this as simple as i can :D. in a drag race, you want high end power because thats where the engine is going to stay at full throttle for a quarter mile. you want HIGH END POWER, not low end. most drag cars run HUGE t6 or larger turbos so they get the most high end power as possible. hmm...drag cars dont use turbos?

http://www.jspek.com/upload/img/front%20of%20car.jpg
http://www.jspek.com/upload/img/motor%20old.jpg
http://www.wabe.net/silum/images/apex_turbo27.jpg
http://www.mkiv.com/mkivregistry/of_interest/hks_drag_supra/nsh_yk0112_07_02.jpg

need more?


and if you want to go back on your statement and say that you were talking about dragsters or funny cars, most use a combination of a blower/turbo, relying on the turbo for the real power.

any true enthusiest knows that turbos generally make more power than superchargers. superchargers are GREAT for low end, but in a drag, you arent going to spend the whole race below 5k rpms.

alphalanos
12-31-2004, 11:51 PM
dude looking at those engines...that made my new years....lol....

more importantly, why are the new cars soooo expensive....not that i actually want one...

1viadrft
01-05-2005, 03:50 PM
Actually the R34 GTR's in Japan ran around $54,000 if I'm correct? Maybe more...

SniperX13
01-05-2005, 04:47 PM
I'm sure its already been said, but with the new SKyline supposedly heading for the US market as well, Places like MoToReX would drop the prices of there cars, and make the older ones more easier to obtain.

nismo_power
01-05-2005, 06:31 PM
I'm sure its already been said, but with the new SKyline supposedly heading for the US market as well, Places like MoToReX would drop the prices of there cars, and make the older ones more easier to obtain.


wow, we didnt know the skyline was comming to the US.:greddy2:

motorex will NOT drop the prices, why the hell do people think this. and what do you mean places like motorex? that is the only place.:loser:

to quote myself from nissanforums.com

they legalize the cars on a car by car basis, and since they dont get that much business from legalizing skylines (i believe the last skyline they sold was months ago) they cant mass produce/get wholesale for what they need. you gotta remember that legalizing skylines ISNT motorex's main source of income, its a side project of theirs to make alittle extra money. you ALSO gotta remember that legalizing skylines ISNT the easiest of work, these things take time. right on their website, they say it can take up to 8 months. also - recently the DOT has frozen ALL skylines comming into the united states, and the skylines currently under legalization.

if anything you can expect the pricing to go up as the demand increases for the cars, especially since alot of em are getting sent to the crusher, and are getting totalled and what not.

SniperX13
01-06-2005, 06:27 AM
well I am sorry if I am not as informed as you are. still doesnt excuse you from being an ass.

nismo_power
01-06-2005, 08:56 AM
but it also doesnt excuse you for not looking around alittle. if you wouldve looked, we have numerous threads on this same topic. AS WELL AS THE ONE THAT YOU POSTED THIS IN.

blight
01-06-2005, 10:14 AM
Now i am not a big fan of nismo power myself. but um he's/ she (i have no idea) right here. If you start complaining about stuff you were not right about than you are a dumb ass. the way you get the info is the way you get it. at least then you know...

any how nismo_power i looked into it a little more and to tell you the truth i really did not know how MANY there were that actually used the turbos- although it still does make too much sence for drag racing to me. one does not need a whole lot of power after the cars is already moving. I mean think about this does it not take between 10 and 20 horsies to keep a car down the hiway?

nismo_power
01-06-2005, 02:53 PM
you dont need a whole lot of power once the car gets moving, but you want to keep your car in the prime rpm ranges, meaning you want the majority of your power right where your going to stay at the whole race. granted, superchargers are great for getting off the line but when you use a supercharger you sacrifice high end power.

1viadrft
01-06-2005, 02:58 PM
I agree... I see no reason why MotoRex would drop their prices due to the fact that's 'not all they do'. Also think about it... the R32-R34 and the whole RB series of engines has reached CULT status... it's a classic... if anything the price will go up!

blight
01-06-2005, 03:59 PM
Well check out skylines downunder

There is a new thread under the USA section - motorex may be closing- ask sean about that. He thinks that hiro is going to jump out and liquidate all of his work and skip out to japan.

Sean is always right about this kind of stuff. HE is almost done with getting aproal from the DOT NHTSA- and the EPA. So....anyhow motorex is getting sued for not getting out the cars to the customers on time and whatnot- people are dishing out cash and not getting there cars and are getting pissed off at them for this...so motorex as said by sean may not continue to exist.

So this may not even be an issue in the near future.

1viadrft
01-06-2005, 05:46 PM
He can always sell his 'patent' work and break even for awhile....

nismo_power
01-06-2005, 07:45 PM
that whole hiro leaving is crap. its just a rumor.

and sean is not always right about this stuff, HE is not almost done with anything, i have no clue what your talking about. and he doesnt have any affiliation what so ever with motorex anymore, so how would he know personal motorex business?

blight
01-06-2005, 11:59 PM
um he is the one with rbmotoring they use motorex right now and he has been trying to be considered a fully legal ri for legalizing these things.

nismo_power
01-07-2005, 12:42 AM
dude....ive been talking about rb and sean for the past month to you.

he isnt with RB motoring at all, hes just trying to get their petition to go through. they dont use motorex in a sense, they buy the cars from motorex and then sell them themselves.

blight
01-07-2005, 09:10 AM
oh so that's what he meant- I must have missunderstood him...sorry that makes more sence.

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