Hi, I'm new on this forum.

I'm from the UK and have recently aquired a Rover 213SX. I'm looking for more info about it as I know it is based very closely on a Civic.
The car was built in 1989 although the model was introduced in 1984 to the European market and is very similar to the Honda Civic Sedan from around the same time. The car is powered by a Honda 1342cc 12 valve unit with 5 speed manual gearbox driving the front wheels. More info and pics can be found at www.austin-rover.co.uk by looking under "Rover 213/216"

Could someone tell me a bit more about the Honda models that are related to this car, what engine code it is, what generation of Civic it is etc.

Thanks in advance.

Merry Christmas (to those who celebrate it)

Your car probably has a D13A2 motor or possibly a EV1 motor, but check out this link for more info: http://www.geocities.com/honda_club_egypt/engines.htm. Honda used a slightly different motor for the JDM and EDM markets, so this information may not be correct for your purpose. The best way to find out what motor you've got is to look at the engine ID tag located on the radiator support, or on the engine block itself.

Judging by the pictures, it looks exactly like a USDM/EDM '84-'87 Civic (or JDM '83-'87 Civic), only the front end and tail lights have been changed (slightly). It also looks like they just replaced the Honda "H" emblems with Rover emblems. The body lines and interior look exactly like that of a 3rd generation Civic, so I would assume that any '84-'87 Civic sedan parts will fit.

Since I've never seen one of these before, I'm curious to see what you find out. Please keep us posted!

I think the engine numbers were changed for the Rover to match Rovers parts system, but I'll have a look anyway.
The Rover emblem being the same shape is just co-incidence really, the Viking longboat has been at the front of rovers in that shape since it was a bicycle manufacturer over a century ago.
I'll get some pictures up on a webpage when I get the opportunity to borrow a digital camera to keep you up to date.

Thanks for the link.

Engine number is EV-1619607. Its 12 valve with 1 extra per cylinder that does something else?

That means it's a CVCC EV1 motor. Parts from a D13 engine will also fit since it's essentially the same motor, only with a different ID#.
Hmmmm...
This also means that you could swap in a 1.6L D16A1 motor from an '86-'89 Acura Integra and have a total sleeper!

That is exactly what I was wondering. As we have the Integra, badged as a Honda, over here.

Which generation of Civic is my car related to please?

84-87 Civic/CR-X and the 86-89 Integra or whatever they are labled as over there.

84-87 Civic/CR-X and the 86-89 Integra or whatever they are labled as over there.

Which is the same as saying: 3rd generation Civic, 1g CRX or 1g Integra. These cars all use the same base platform and therefore many parts (but not all) are interchangeable.

P.S. I'd love to see an Integra powered Rover!

Would I be best to buy a whole Integra with terminal body rot or just find one in a junk yard and take the relevant bits.

Is there another thread that lists all the bits I need?

P.s. I also have a Rover Metro GTi. Its a 1.4 with 100hp but only 850kg, soon to be converted to a 1.8, so I'm used to showing people the back end of a Rover disappearing into the distance. But I want this to be more of a track car which is why I bought the Rover.

Here's a link to a thread that has all the info you need.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=199192

Also check www.redpepperracing.com

I would recomend that you try to find a dead Integra as a donor car. This is because you will probably also want to swap the brakes and other misc parts along with the motor.

I went the route of buying all the parts seperately from a junkyard, and now I realize it would have been easier (and probably cheaper) if I had just bought a wrecked Integra.

Been doing some searching. Found out the engne is actually coded an EV2 and does not have the 4th valve on each cylinder. Link to full specs below.

http://freespace.virgin.net/carmechanic.co/rover/rov53.htm#Rover%20213,%20,,%201342%20cc,%20,1984-89%20,%20Engine%20Code%20EV2%20,,

EV2 eh, thats gonna be a new one for the list. what market is your rover? any hp numbers?

My car is from the British market, but was sold with the same engine across Europe. The Honda version in Europe of the Civic sedan was called the Ballade and ended up being built on the Rover production line in Birmingham, it was the success of this that led Honda to open their plant at Swindon in England.
If you look in the www.austin-rover.co.uk website at the 213/216, 200/400, 800, 600 and 400/45/MGZS sections you might be able to spot the Honda tie up as all these cars were designed jointly though I suspect more Honda input on some.

What are HP numbers, before I go to a junk yard and start removing cam covers.

HP numbers = horsepower numbers

do you know if it is a cvcc motor? carb or fuel injection?

71hp or rather 73Ps which is the metric equivalent used in Europe now.

Don't know how to tell a cvcc motor, but it hasn't got the extra valve on each cylinder.

sweet. the extra valve is the cvcc system. so this isn't a cvcc motor

carb or fuel injected

Does the Civic sedan over there have a strange exhaust that goes down the middle of the car, then goes out over the rear axle to a silencer box at one corner, which U turns and the pipe goes over to the other corner where it exits? (Exhaust is British term for muffler) I'm replacing mine with a 2" 2 box system, already have K&N airfilter, NGK sparks. De-Carbon (French) dampers all round.

Keihin carburettor. 2 slow running and 2 main chambers giving what looks like in effect a twin carb set up.
Certainly feels very effective, good response and fuel economy is pretty decent.

Does the Civic sedan over there have a strange exhaust that goes down the middle of the car, then goes out over the rear axle to a silencer box at one corner, which U turns and the pipe goes over to the other corner where it exits? (Exhaust is British term for muffler) I'm replacing mine with a 2" 2 box system, already have K&N airfilter, NGK sparks. De-Carbon (French) dampers all round.

yes, the 84 and newer cars (till early to mid 90's) have the exhaust like that. my 83 civic just has a muffler inline with the car and the exhaust exits on the passenger side.

for the carb, is it a sidedraft set up? or a single downdraft with multiple venturis?

Single downdraft with multiple venturis.

The spec sheet for the car suggests it will run on 90RON (Octane) fuel but we only get 95 or 98RON fuel here now, so this suggests the compression could be raised to gain more power without fear or pre-ignition. How much to take off the head is the question though.

i took 20 thousandths off my EK1 (older 8 valve 1.8l) to raise the compression about one point. i was told not to go much more than that to run on pump gas. in north america the 1.3l EV1 is a low emissions motor that has relatively low compression but the EDM EV2 may not be the same so it would probably be wise to first find out what the compression ratio for your motor before getting any work done.

90RON over here is quite a low grade, but obviously I would need someone to make the calculations for me. I don't know what your fuel is like but I've been told it was slightly lower grade than ours, not sure if this is still the case.

well i can get 89 to 94 octane over here. i have been using 94 lately with this new motor

Nowadays we have 95 (premium) octane which is what everyone uses and 98 (super) which costs more. Would like to keep it on 95 so it doesn't cost too much.

so you're planning on building up the 1300? there's probably more potential in the 1.5l EW series motors. or a D16A1 integra motor. not really sure what you have in mind for the car tho.

Well, I already have the Metro for speed, and I still plan on making that faster still.
The point of the Rover is as a comfortable daily driver that doesn't cost too much to run and isn't off the road alot, so sticking with a mildly improved 1342 motor doesn't seem a bad idea, I don't really want to be racing around in it.
Plus I really think it will be difficult to find a 1.6 Integra to scavenge, they were rare over here in the first place.
We'll see though, I'm prone to changing my mind, just after Christmas is not a good time for the finances.

I really think it will be difficult to find a 1.6 Integra to scavenge, they were rare over here in the first place.

I forgot to mention that the EDM/JDM '85-'87 CRX SI will have the same D16A1 motor and ECU that was used in the 1G Integra. If you can't find an old SI, you might be able to find a Japanese engine importer in your area. If you get really desperate for parts, I'm sure someone over here will be able to ship parts to you (but shipping will cost a fortune).

We didn't get that Civic or CRX with the D16 either, the top models of both came with a 1488cc 12valve with multi-point fuel injection. About 100hp.

I fitted the K&N air filter the other day.
As well as making the hiss of air when the throttle picks up it also growls through the exhaust now. Sweet.

cool, when i tweaked with the intake on my old motor it felt like the gears just wanted to pull longer, more air at higher revs is a good thing :) time to do the exhaust, i’d suggest that you don’t go to big if you do, 2.25” is the max and probably too big. you’ll lose some bottom end

It seems to be growling too much though, I like the growl but it doesn't sound mechanically right if you get what I mean. Plus I think the engine is a bit worn out despite only having 57 thousand miles. However I have another engine (proper EV1 from Japan with the cvcc blanked off) that was in my old Rover (same type of car) that ran perfectly with the K&N and 2" exhaust so I'm swapping that in soon.

On sunday I blew a great big hole in the exhaust, in front of the reversing muffler box. I Can't get the same exhaust as I had before and I can't afford a custom ss one. So I'm thinking that a standard section and a universal back box sitting where the silly reversing silencer should be. Then I can do away with the restrictive rear crossover section altogether.

I'm also going to do a small website for my cars sometime in the coming months.

It seems to be growling too much though, I like the growl but it doesn't sound mechanically right if you get what I mean. Plus I think the engine is a bit worn out despite only having 57 thousand miles. However I have another engine (proper EV1 from Japan with the cvcc blanked off) that was in my old Rover (same type of car) that ran perfectly with the K&N and 2" exhaust so I'm swapping that in soon.


.......:( only 57,000 miles? you call that "worn out...?" dude mines has 235,000 miles on it...now thats worn out! and you put in "regular 95..."???????? :(....you lucky son of agun....in puerto rico minimum octane is 87...91the second best and 93 max....still that sucks @$$.......
so giving that you use that what you call "regular gas" those combustion chambers and valve heads must be squeky clean.....so dude...practily speaking...you have a new car..(but mines keeps on kicking and i finally took it to the track!!! i did 16.79@ i cant remember how many miles....not bad fo a 87 sedan eh?) but still...congrats to you buddy and welcom aborde!!!

Worn out because the elderly lady owner before me used it only for very short trips where the engine never got fully warm. As a result I'd say the engine is pretty worn. I'll just stick my other one in it for the moment though, thats in far better knick.

Exhaust isn't looking as bad as it sounds. A bit of bandaging and sticking the back box on the right hand side will be fine.

http://www.metropower.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5860

Should get you to several views of my Civic sedan based Rover 213SX

COOL!

What do you think it would cost to send a Rover front end over the the states (LOL)?:)

yah dude,what kind of car did you guys say that was "similar" too?....wat kind of civic...i like how you put in a new air filter and left the old tube in there...HAHA

I figure the tube wouldn't affect performance really.

haha...it wont,looks kkinda funky in there though...it would look cleaner with it gone...but w/e

I'll remove it when I'm fitting my EV1. I was thinking of using it as a cold air feed, but it seems to come from the inner wing behind the indicator, can't see that being in a great airflow. Might be a small scooby style bonnet vent job there.

Haha,your car will probobly be lighter without it anyways...btw,wherre did you get your new air filter for the carb?(prolly somewhere over there heh?)

yeah, I just got the part number and ordered it from the local K&N stockist.

haha,thats great,idk if k&n makes intakes(air filters) for imports over here,there more of a mustang/camaro and other muscle car thing...lol...we use aem...:)