I just received my latest edition of Road & Track, you know, the magazine that has never liked 'vettes:mad: Yeah, that's the one.
Anyway, they took a BMW M3, a Z06, and a 911 and tested them against each other. Talk about biased edititorials!! They called the M3 a "Sports Car" and deducted points from the Z06 for not having back seats:confused: WTF? They said the M3 ran 0-60' times less than .1 secs. off of the Z06 times. We are talking about BMW weighing 300 lbs. more, pushing 343bhp, with 269 lb-ft. of torque and the Z06 pushing 385-385. Guys in our club are turning 0-60' times of 4.0-4.3. They could only get 4.5 with a professional driver? There was 6 pages dedicated to the accolades of the M3 and 1 page about the 'vette & 911. Nice unbiased comparison.
I like the 3 series BMWs, but compare apples to apples.
I just suscribe and am now cancelling my subscription!!

oh yes,
probably ALL car mags are BIASED,
it's actually not BIASED, but CHEAP.
Anybody who pays them wins their "comparison". That's all there's to it. In this case, BMW gave them some $$$ prob.

I agree. The vette is awesome, the BMW is a great car, but there is NO way it can compete with a vette. Besides, teh vette has 10 times the sex appeal. They also said the vette was "a bit rough", but what do u want from a car that is meant to take on the viper (which it does, it is faster accelerating [4 second 0-60 vs a vipers 4.1], and way faster around the track).
Final thought- give the old wussies with the bad backs the M3, but for the real men, the Z06 is bitchin!!

You said it all! :cool:

I've never considered the M3 a sports car.

A sports sedan sure.

They should compare it to a mercedes and other sport luxury cars.

I'm tired of biased editors giving the Bimmers the top honours.

I've driven a BMW 328i. Yes they handle very nicely.

But they don't compare to a Corvette or a Porsche sorry.

Man that's just crumby of them to do that. While I don't doubt the test numbers they came up with (probably related to improper break-in of the Z06) in the R&T article, it is too bad that they have published a biased report on these cars.

I can see eye-to-eye with them in some respects, in that frankly I would take either an M3 or a 911 over a Z06 any day of the week.. unless I was about to race, in which case I would definitely defer to the Z. One can not deny the Z06's goods, in that its performance stats are right up there with the very best production cars the world has to offer, particularly impressive at the Z06's low price. Not to mention it is very accomodating as a cruising automobile as well, and treats its passengers right. I guess it got overshadowed in the article since the M3 is the freshest meat on the market.

M3 the freshest?? Z06 was first driven in August, and I thought that the M3 had been around for a few years. In C&D, they did a comparison between the Viper GTS ACR, Cobra R, and Z06 and ranked the R third, GTS 2nd, and Z06 first. They said the Z06 wasn't the fastest(0-60 in 4.5??) while the Viper was a 4.3 and the R was a 4.6?? Also, the R handled the best with a .98 while the GTS had a .96 and the vette a .93:( WTF?? What really upset me was in earlier editions the vette did 0-60 in 4.2 and had a .99 on the skid-pad. The vette still won though, because they said even though it wasn't the fastest (the viper was quicker)the interior was the nicest, and also it was almost half the cost of the GTS. I like car and driver the best out of C&D, MT, and R&T though. It seems that they are the most unbiased and also the most humurous.

BMW just released an all new M3 late last year. It is much more serious about challenging sports cars like the Z06 than its predecessor.

Z06 is clearly the winner.
R&T should take less bribes and everything will be fine.

It looks like they took the crap numbers of the Z06 and the best of the others.

You guys sure whine a lot. Go out to the Track & see for yourself. That new M3 is a force to dealt with.

Oh I agree, but not against a ZO6. A stock C5 maybe, but not ZO6.

To ThunderFish911, I was merely quoting Chevy's data for the Z06, and one of my magazines data on the Viper, not a Viper ACR, which is even pricier, but, yes, quicker. Really, the only thing holding back both cars is rubber. Put Viper rubber on a Vette Z06, and then the Viper will most likely waste the Viper. Both are great cars, though. The only way to settle this is to find some rich bugger who owns both cars, and have him drive them both at a fragstrip. Any takers???

Yea I like C&D the most too. But ever since there main test guy Don Schroader, died in a fatal crash the numbers have really gone up. Don Schraoder was a amazing driver. They put him against pro drivers and he was able to get the best lap times pretty much every time. I read that R&T article and god, it was so biased. They tried to come up with every excuse to make the Z06 look bad against the M3. The M3 is fast but a regular C5 will probably smoke it. Comparing a speed demon like the Z06 to it isn't fair at all.

What's wrong with you guys? An M3 will rip the engine right out of a stock C5. Especially on the turns. Do you guys understand the potentialy of this car with the right driver? That 01 M3 was faster than the 00 M5. There is no chance in hell it is faster in a strait line but in certain conditions the M3 is ZO6 competition.

The Z06 was made to be a road course racer, not jsut a straight line rocket. It is much faster around the road course (R&T even said the M3 UNDERSTEERS!!!) I have nothing against the M3, but give credit when credit is due, the Z06 is simply the best road-course car you can get for the money!

Originally posted by Chris
...the Z06 is simply the best road-course car you can get for the money!

True...

To ThunderFish911, I NEVER MEANT TO INSULT THE VIPER!!!!!! I agree, it beats the snot out of tons of European cars for WAY less money. And I was quoting CHEVYS FACTORY DATA for the Z06's acceleration times (elsewhere in this site, privateers have recorded times as low as 4.1 seconds, a pro could beat that) I LOVE the Viper, I also love the Z06. Just give credit where it is due!!! BOTH are tremendous performers, the Z06 is just a better bang-for-the-buck (which is what you were using to defend the Viper)

Originally posted by Racer 20
What's wrong with you guys? An M3 will rip the engine right out of a stock C5. Especially on the turns. Do you guys understand the potentialy of this car with the right driver? That 01 M3 was faster than the 00 M5. There is no chance in hell it is faster in a strait line but in certain conditions the M3 is ZO6 competition.
I havea really really tough time believing that. Maybe an M3 will be competition to a regular C5 Coupe (in certain conditions) but not a Z06. The M3 si suppose to be faster than the M5, it's a coupe will the M5 is a sedan. Plus the M5 weighs 4000lbs and has excessive amounts of body roll.

Originally posted by MrCorvetteZ06
M3 the freshest?? Z06 was first driven in August, and I thought that the M3 had been around for a few years. In C&D, they did a comparison between the Viper GTS ACR, Cobra R, and Z06 and ranked the R third, GTS 2nd, and Z06 first. They said the Z06 wasn't the fastest(0-60 in 4.5??) while the Viper was a 4.3 and the R was a 4.6?? Also, the R handled the best with a .98 while the GTS had a .96 and the vette a .93:( WTF?? What really upset me was in earlier editions the vette did 0-60 in 4.2 and had a .99 on the skid-pad. The vette still won though, because they said even though it wasn't the fastest (the viper was quicker)the interior was the nicest, and also it was almost half the cost of the GTS. I like car and driver the best out of C&D, MT, and R&T though. It seems that they are the most unbiased and also the most humurous.
Well remember the skid pad isn't the tell all of handling. It is actually quite poor at showing track prowress. The Supra turbo is known for having great slalom and skid pad numbers...and sucking ass on the track.

they are gay! although personally a 911 turbo would spank a vette.. vettes are fast as shit! but an m3 shouldnt even be in that category! they are nice and all but def not a fast sports car...

it wasn't the 911 turbo just the 911

That is pretty weak of them guys :smoka:

Yeah, a vette is awesome. It is also 30 grand cheaper than a 911, and 80 grand less than an (amazing) 911 turbo. It is awesome!

Originally posted by Racer 20
What's wrong with you guys? An M3 will rip the engine right out of a stock C5. Especially on the turns. Do you guys understand the potentialy of this car with the right driver? That 01 M3 was faster than the 00 M5. There is no chance in hell it is faster in a strait line but in certain conditions the M3 is ZO6 competition.


LAY OFF THE CRACK PIPE...

crack pipe..LOL. I think that the C5 and M3 would be close, but the C5 would still win. I don't know, maybe I'm just a little more partial to Vettes;)

That is a stupid article. I think its nuts to compare a M3 to even a stock C5. I was stationed in Germany and I had my C5 overthere. I was smoking Beamers and Mercedes all the time, as well as I could run with the higherend porches. The 911 is a great car it is the only one desearving of the comparison. They should be comparing M3's to Mustangs. The only Beamer that should be compared to a Vette is the new Z-8. I have taken my car on tight German roads doing 150 Mph and out turning Porches and waisting beamers before. I would expect the Germans to make a fast sedan because evrything overthere is designed for the Autobon so what! But I think the Corvette C5 is redeemed just for the fact that is the first mass produced American muscle to run with the German cars in areas other than the straight line. The Z-06 can turn 1 lateral G there are not many cars that can do that. I always question those roadtests because I see porches at the track all the time and I have no problem running with them. I will admit the Turbo 911 is faster but lets run one against a Lingenfelter Vette, then it will be on the same ground. I think it is comparing apples and oranges to compare a N/A car to a Turbo.

My .02

I wouldnt care if the Beeeeeeeeeemer could smoke the C5 from 0-60, which car is going to turn heads at a stoplight. An M3 looks like a BMW big deal. When I was in Germany I had more blondes wanting to get in my car then I could count;) So I will take the looks of the Vette over a regular Beeeeeeeeemer any day. Hell I would even take a C4 or a 70's Stingray over a Beeeeeemer and I dont even really care for the older vettes at all.

check out the new article in Motortrend.
0-60 M3 4.64 1/4 13.1
0-60 Z06 4.24 1/4 12.5 (i think)
the biggest thing is that 0-100 flashes by over 2 secs faster in the Z06. The slalom was pretty amazing...the Z06 and M3 had the exact same speed, 68.99 mph..i think. The Z06 won every performance category except tying the M3 in the slalom. This was the 2001 Z06 not the 405HP 2002 Z06.

The M3 performed admirably though for weighing over 350lbs more then the Z06 and giving up 50HP. It also sits 4.

As far as the C5 getting you more chicks in Germany...duh... it is super rare in europe. A new M3 seems to have the same affect here in the states!! :) My car seems to attract them also!! ;) Anyway, some interesting numbers...either way...you can't go wrong with either car. I think the C5 and M3 are probably good matches in about any race...save a top speed run. But, other then that....pretty damn close.

Z06Lover...what kind of car do you have? The link in your sig isn't working.

Originally posted by hakka
Z06Lover...what kind of car do you have? The link in your sig isn't working.

yeah, photopoint isn't allowing direct links anymore. You have to cut and paste it. I have a 2001 Yellow Honda S2000, but am a huge fan of the Z06...almost bought one! :) I also love Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, McLaren, Bugatii, Lambo..and on..and on...and on... :)

I just got my hardtop for my S2000...I will have to post some links...it looks pretty cool.

sounds awesome!!

Originally posted by hakka
sounds awesome!!

yeah, i like it. Not as fast as your vettes, but lots of fun!! :)
here is a pict of my car. I will post some picts with the hardtop later.
http://www.engr.orst.edu/~landerer/car.jpg

Use www.imagestation.com it allows linking and its free. :)

Hope you guys like em...i think they look pretty cool!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/pa597b86588089df2ed2a7727446fc661/fe55b2c3.jpg.orig.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/pfc2e513a42aeb779c002902abd5a2fb7/fe55b2c0.jpg.orig.jpg

ok, first of all, road and track called the m3 a "sports car" because it IS a sports car. you're trying to tell me that a car with a straight six, that produces 333 horse and gets 0-60 times under 5 seceonds isn't a sports car? are stupid or just mildy retarded? also, you like the 3 series bmws? well, that's great and all, but the m3 isn't a 3 series, it's an m series, which might explain why it produces more horse power per cylinder than the inefficient z06. and as for those who say there is no way an m3 can compete with a vette, it is competing with the vette! it's as clear as day! with all the articles that read headlines like "m3s versus corvettes versus 911s", the "versus" part simple means a competition, morons. oh, and as for the comment that said the vette was meant to take on the viper - ha ha. that's funny, really it is. the viper produces 0-60 times of 2.9 seconds, the vette can't even brake 4 (probably not even 4.5)! your logic is the equivalent of a 7 year old child with down-syndrome! i could go on for days about your pathetic argument that vettes are better than m3s, but the holes in your "stories" are too numerous to name. finally, let me leave you with this thought, "90% of chevys are still on the road... the other 10% made it home".

Originally posted by sfisher
ok, first of all, road and track called the m3 a "sports car" because it IS a sports car. you're trying to tell me that a car with a straight six, that produces 333 horse and gets 0-60 times under 5 seceonds isn't a sports car? are stupid or just mildy retarded? also, you like the 3 series bmws? well, that's great and all, but the m3 isn't a 3 series, it's an m series, which might explain why it produces more horse power per cylinder than the inefficient z06. and as for those who say there is no way an m3 can compete with a vette, it is competing with the vette! it's as clear as day! with all the articles that read headlines like "m3s versus corvettes versus 911s", the "versus" part simple means a competition, morons. oh, and as for the comment that said the vette was meant to take on the viper - ha ha. that's funny, really it is. the viper produces 0-60 times of 2.9 seconds, the vette can't even brake 4 (probably not even 4.5)! your logic is the equivalent of a 7 year old child with down-syndrome! i could go on for days about your pathetic argument that vettes are better than m3s, but the holes in your "stories" are too numerous to name. finally, let me leave you with this thought, "90% of chevys are still on the road... the other 10% made it home".

You call a lot of people stupied, but you make some pretty stupid comments. A viper does 0-60 in 2.9??? what viper is that? the super viper you made up in your head?? The Venom 800 can do 2.4 0-60 with slicks, but that is hardly stock. The regular viper runs between 4.1 and 4.3 according to Road and Track, Motor Trend and Car and Driver. The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell. The Z06 is also the fastest stock street legal car at auto-x courses. The National finals winner in SS class was a Z06. Both cars are great. Before you spout your mouth about how dumb people are maybe you should actually know some thing (viper does 0-60 in 2.9 hahahaah), or maybe *shudder* actually drive the cars.

Even this viper, which has 500 HP runs a 4.0 0-60.
http://www.motortrend.com/april99/viper/viper_f.html
Read it yourself.

Originally posted by Z06Lover


You call a lot of people stupied, but you make some pretty stupid comments. A viper does 0-60 in 2.9??? what viper is that? the super viper you made up in your head?? The Venom 800 can do 2.4 0-60 with slicks, but that is hardly stock. The regular viper runs between 4.1 and 4.3 according to Road and Track, Motor Trend and Car and Driver. The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell. The Z06 is also the fastest stock street legal car at auto-x courses. The National finals winner in SS class was a Z06. Both cars are great. Before you spout your mouth about how dumb people are maybe you should actually know some thing (viper does 0-60 in 2.9 hahahaah), or maybe *shudder* actually drive the cars.

Even this viper, which has 500 HP runs a 4.0 0-60.
http://www.motortrend.com/april99/viper/viper_f.html
Read it yourself.

Actually, if you look at Viper Venom Edition (which is stock for the Venom Edition - meaning no modifications), it does do 0-60 in 2.9. OK, as for the comment "The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell." You're trying to argue that you can tell there's a difference (something like .3 of a second) in driving the m3 and the z06? ha, it's practically impossible to distinguish .3 of a second... and to claim that you can tell the difference is just insanely idiotic - as if there's a difference at all. and before you "spout your mouth" again maybe you should take some time out of your fantasy world where you can distinguish between half-seconds and return to reality.

Originally posted by sfisher


Actually, if you look at Viper Venom Edition (which is stock for the Venom Edition - meaning no modifications), it does do 0-60 in 2.9. OK, as for the comment "The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell." You're trying to argue that you can tell there's a difference (something like .3 of a second) in driving the m3 and the z06? ha, it's practically impossible to distinguish .3 of a second... and to claim that you can tell the difference is just insanely idiotic - as if there's a difference at all. and before you "spout your mouth" again maybe you should take some time out of your fantasy world where you can distinguish between half-seconds and return to reality.

You are telling me i can't tell the difference between my car, which can run 0-60 in 5.2 (according to motor trend) and a car that runs 4.7 (a c5)?? like i said....go drive some real cars. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I forgot...0-60 is the only measure of speed. The Z06 does 0-100 it is closer to 2 secs faster.
Also, the venom viper is at this page:
http://maxpages.com/viperhome/1998_Dodge_Hennessey_Venom_600
runs 0-60 in 3.7. The venom 650R runs 3.3, but none of these cars are factory cars. The venom 800 TT runs 2.4 0-60 with slicks and 1/4 9.9, what is your point??

So which 2.9 sec car are you talking about?
http://www.multimania.com/t2j/viper/specveno.htm

Henessey is bringing out a 900 HP TT version of the Z06 later and a 427 (engine size not HP) version of it...I wonder how fast it will run. Or go look at the c4 sledgehammer...top speed 255mph (radar clocked) and 0-60 right around 3 secs. These are not factory cars....get out of fairy land.


My point is still the same. You are magazine racer who has probably never driven anything faster then a pinto in his life. Grow up. Before you call someone a moron...maybe you should have some thing base it on. Everything in your post was like...vettes suck, bmw's rule...that is a great argument.

Man, I sure am glad HS is starting up again...we can get rid of these guys!! :)

Originally posted by Z06Lover


You are telling me i can't tell the difference between my car, which can run 0-60 in 5.2 (according to motor trend) and a car that runs 4.7 (a c5)?? like i said....go drive some real cars. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I forgot...0-60 is the only measure of speed. The Z06 does 0-100 it is closer to 2 secs faster.
Also, the venom viper is at this page:
http://maxpages.com/viperhome/1998_Dodge_Hennessey_Venom_600
runs 0-60 in 3.7. The venom 650R runs 3.3, but none of these cars are factory cars. The venom 800 TT runs 2.4 0-60 with slicks and 1/4 9.9, what is your point??

So which 2.9 sec car are you talking about?
http://www.multimania.com/t2j/viper/specveno.htm

Henessey is bringing out a 900 HP TT version of the Z06 later and a 427 (engine size not HP) version of it...I wonder how fast it will run. Or go look at the c4 sledgehammer...top speed 255mph (radar clocked) and 0-60 right around 3 secs. These are not factory cars....get out of fairy land.


My point is still the same. You are magazine racer who has probably never driven anything faster then a pinto in his life. Grow up. Before you call someone a moron...maybe you should have some thing base it on. Everything in your post was like...vettes suck, bmw's rule...that is a great argument.

Man, I sure am glad HS is starting up again...we can get rid of these guys!! :)

well, it's now very clear that nothing, even remotely rational can pass through z06Lover's head, probably because it's too clogged with exhaust fumes from having his mouth wrapped around his c5's tailpipe. anyway, i hope someday, you can learn not to be so offended by the truth, otherwise you're in for some big disappointments in your life. and as for "...vettes suck, bmw's rule..." - hey, you said it not me, but i can accept that. also, the high school comment was a bit unecessary (nevertheless false) but i guess that's what i can learn to expect from z06Lover who obviously is still recovering from his failed attempt at getting a GED. that is all. don't expect to get a reply from me, i don't have the time to teach you "how not to be a close-minded piece of trash trying to make up for his lack of a penis by boasting about his corvette"

sfisher, shape up will you. Lose the attitude. I probably would have deleted your post if Z06lover hadn't shown you up nicely.


And why bring the whole horse power per liter/cylinder argument in here? I thought only ricers used that. There is a reason for the Corvette's high-ish displacement, torque and potential. The BMW is probably very close to its NA output potential. And if you want to talk about efficient engines compare the two cars fuel economy. They are very close I'd imagine - despite the BMWs fewer cylinders and lower displacement.

Originally posted by sfisher


well, it's now very clear that nothing, even remotely rational can pass through z06Lover's head, probably because it's too clogged with exhaust fumes from having his mouth wrapped around his c5's tailpipe. anyway, i hope someday, you can learn not to be so offended by the truth, otherwise you're in for some big disappointments in your life. and as for "...vettes suck, bmw's rule..." - hey, you said it not me, but i can accept that. also, the high school comment was a bit unecessary (nevertheless false) but i guess that's what i can learn to expect from z06Lover who obviously is still recovering from his failed attempt at getting a GED. that is all. don't expect to get a reply from me, i don't have the time to teach you "how not to be a close-minded piece of trash trying to make up for his lack of a penis by boasting about his corvette"

haha.....whatever..i don't even have a z06 ...i have a S2000, which you would know..if you actually read the posts on here, but that isn't surprising. Just like every troll...once the facts are presented...the throw insults and run away...good bye troll.

Originally posted by Lizard King
sfisher, shape up will you. Lose the attitude. I probably would have deleted your post if Z06lover hadn't shown you up nicely.


And why bring the whole horse power per liter/cylinder argument in here? I thought only ricers used that. There is a reason for the Corvette's high-ish displacement, torque and potential. The BMW is probably very close to its NA output potential. And if you want to talk about efficient engines compare the two cars fuel economy. They are very close I'd imagine - despite the BMWs fewer cylinders and lower displacement.
do you have any idea what he is talking about??
I don't even know what his post was about. All I saw were made up stats and completely biased opinons about cars he has never and will never drive....bizarre.
Where do these guys come from???? :)

lol I guess I should have ignored him after seeing his Viper stats.

sfisher is an......idiot

0-60 in 2.9, yeah, sure.
Also, the M3 got .89g's, the vette got 1 full g or ear-bleeding grip.

Also, a lingenfelter TT vette (not even Z06) went 226 mph, with a Zo6 as a start, bored and stroked to 427.6 (or .8) inches, with tt's, theres 900+ hp, and probably 280 mph. The little M3 with a monster blower, maybe 700hp and 200 mph. PEANUTS! HAHAHAHAHA


And MT got the vette to 60 in 4.24 seconds, and the 2002 is supposed to go in "under 4 seconds" Ferraris beware!!


PS. zo6lover, your car looks extra good with the roof. Sorry to learn that the Comptech blower barely increases acceleration. It creates a bog em or burn em situation. If you put on some bigger rubber, you might see some improvement in your spinal compression (something not experienced in sfishers pinto):silly2:

lol i cant belive i missed this crack pot lol! what a loser!

Ok, corvettes are the best or many reasons. First of all, they come in three varieties: coupe, convertable, and Z06. And guess what, all three can be driven every day, but the Z06 is a bit harsh for city driving. The technology, engineering and thought put into corvettes is unparraleled.
Here is a list of cars vettes are better than....
-all porsches
-BMW M3 & Z8
-any jap crap
-mustangs
-and guess what....vettes are America's ultimate sports car, so they are better than vipers ;)
-also....why go out and get a ferrari when you can go out and get a vette which is faster the any current production ferrari, just as good handling, and better skidpad performance....and.....why get a lamborghini when a Z06 is just as fast and beats it ineverything else

corvette:monkeypis porsche, bmw, mustang, jap crap

VETTES RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!:ylsuper

M3 is a force or reckoning for you winey vette lovers
the M# is also nice and comfotable and fits alot of people to boot
take off the M3 body and slap some 2nd rate aerodynimic doorstop known as the corvette, save some serious pounds off its also pretty slim weight line by taking out seats and options and the M3 would pass that vette like it was going backwards

the vette is a nice car, its classy and its eternal
but its not the super amazing rocket it was when it first cmae out along time ago
ever manufacture pretty much on the road today has a compartable model most even a step ahead

Nope, an M3 is no "force of reckoning". M3's are one of the wussiest cars (next to porsches). They are the definition of a bs sportscar, with their pretty little wood grain interiors and that o-so-girly 3 series exterior. Fine take a few pounds of your wuss mobile. A Z06 will put you to shame either way. And sorry, there are no companies with a car that can match a corvette with bang for the buck. And actually, there are only a very small handfull that have a (stock) car that can beat a Z06 in every performance catagory. Ferrari, (currently) nope. BMW, sorry. Lamborghini, ah-uh. Porsche, one...the GT2 which only the super rich can afford anyway. You'll never see one on the road. Ford, don't make me laugh. Aston Martin, no can do. Maseratti, nah. Dodge Viper, equal speed but can't do it handleing wise. That about sums it up.

Vettes rule and you know it!!!! :D

I'm seeing 2 extremes here, one for and one against the vette.

So lets just say the vette rules, unless you need a back seat:)

if your referring to me as being against vette extreme
its just not so
its a nice car and a good value for what you get...as with all domestic cars

i just dont like arrogance about anything

my favorite car is the mazda rx-7 not only does it perform its downright sexy heh

but if someone came on and said RX7 would beat every other car in everything blah blahc ect
i woudl argue with them too

Originally posted by Mylacc
...take off the M3 body and slap some 2nd rate aerodynimic doorstop...


uhhh, actually, the C5 has one of the lowest drag coefficients of any production car in history... .29 to be exact :rolleyes:

I'm just saying some people are touting the vette, and others are slamming it. I'm to tired to post now, but I will do a long one now.

This will probably come off wrong, so think of the least threating way this can be taken

Originally posted by sfisher
"90% of chevys are still on the road... the other 10% made it home".

Just to funny and true as well. :devil:

I guess it's time for me to chime in here...
I watched the comparison on Speedvision a few weeks ago, and was rather upset.
This test was supposed to be a PERFORMANCE TEST.
That was the name of it...This wasn't a test to see who is ALMOST as fast, yet can seat 2 more people.

In every aspect of the PERFORMANCE TEST, Chevy's Corvette ZO6 won.
Yet, for some reason, it wasn't the winner. Why? Because the testers obviously felt that since the M3 had 2 extra doors and 2 extra seats, along with more leather, and a bigger price tag, it HAD to win. :rolleyes:

Face it, the M3 won because the testers gave it points for being "pretty"
But this wasn't a damn beauty contest, it was a PERFORMANCE TEST!

I really like both the ZO6 as well as the M Series cars, but when I'm going to go shopping for a car that's going to kick ass at the strip AND road course, I'm going to turn to the Corvette (or to MY car)
:D

OH yeah, and 1 more thing...
Maybe we can do a comparison of the C6 ZO6 with the M3 ?

I'll guarantee you right now that the M3 will look just plain SILLY when the C6 comes out.
Chevy's dropped the F-Body platform, and now they're going Viper/Ferrari Hunting!

You can COUNT on the base Vette having over 400hp and the ZO6 over 450!

Originally posted by Blackbird01
OH yeah, and 1 more thing...
Maybe we can do a comparison of the C6 ZO6 with the M3 ?

I'll guarantee you right now that the M3 will look just plain SILLY when the C6 comes out.
Chevy's dropped the F-Body platform, and now they're going Viper/Ferrari Hunting!

You can COUNT on the base Vette having over 400hp and the ZO6 over 450!

the most important thing about the C6 Z06 is that it may very well weight around 2800 lbs putting it above the new viper in HP/Weight by over .5lb/HP. If this ends up being true look for the C6 Z06 to be one of the fastest production cars in term of acceleration for hopefully around 50k.

A good friend of mine had the chance to talk with a guy involved with the C5R Race Team. He also was semi involved with the designing of the C6 (which actually is still not completely done).
The guy wouldn't tell him exactly what was going to happen, but he said that you CAN expect there to be a lot more power then they have now.
There WILL be a C6 ZO6, and there is a possibility that it may be a DOHC or "2 in the Valley" design. Either way, he said watch for a "multi-cam" setup with more cubic inches then the current Vette.

That means, BIG MOTOR with DOHC! Yay!
They are also going to offer a right hand drive version to be made for Europe. GM plans to go Ferrari killin!

ok luke that is going a little far. vettes are wonderful. i love them but they aren't as godly as you seem to think. they are not better then all porsches. I am sorry but a z06 is amazing at $50k but it is not going to compete that closely and certainly not destroy a $200k porsche. it just won't happen. and don't go generalizing and call all japanese cars crap. there are some real gems in there. rx-7 tt, supra tt, 300zx tt. admittedly the z06 can beat some of the jap cars but not all of them.

their is just something about a vette. dont z06's run like 3.9 sec. the vette gets her wet.

I don't understand why people compare the Vette and the M3. They are two completly different cars for two different buyers.

The Vette has a sexy exterior amazing performance and it is about uncompromised speed.Yet it does retain some qualities that allow it to be a daily driver sort of.

The Z06 - Wants to live on the race track and has what it takes to win.

The M3 has a well appointed luxurious cabin that can seat 4 comfortably. Also it has great performance numbers but it can still fit into a conservative take the clients out to dinner mold.

They are both great cars but for different lifestyles. Discussing whether one is .5 seconds faster than the other is really useless. The real question is what kind of experience do want to get out of your car

Luxury 4 seater with the true heart of a sports car - M3

Sexy performace driven race car that doubles as a daily driver - Vette

Your lifestyle should determine which one you choose. Since we are having this conversation on the Vette board I can guess which one the majority of you guys will go for, and thats great.

I think the magazines do us all a bit of a dis-service by taking cars that were built on 2 diffferent premises and comparing them at all, no matter what the numbers say.

Originally posted by Vertigo
I don't understand why people compare the Vette and the M3. They are two completly different cars for two different buyers.

The Vette has a sexy exterior amazing performance and it is about uncompromised speed.Yet it does retain some qualities that allow it to be a daily driver sort of.

The Z06 - Wants to live on the race track and has what it takes to win.

The M3 has a well appointed luxurious cabin that can seat 4 comfortably. Also it has great performance numbers but it can still fit into a conservative take the clients out to dinner mold.

They are both great cars but for different lifestyles. Discussing whether one is .5 seconds faster than the other is really useless. The real question is what kind of experience do want to get out of your car

Luxury 4 seater with the true heart of a sports car - M3

Sexy performace driven race car that doubles as a daily driver - Vette

Your lifestyle should determine which one you choose. Since we are having this conversation on the Vette board I can guess which one the majority of you guys will go for, and thats great.

I think the magazines do us all a bit of a dis-service by taking cars that were built on 2 diffferent premises and comparing them at all, no matter what the numbers say.

AMEN TO THAT!

Originally posted by fearless_simian
ok luke that is going a little far. vettes are wonderful. i love them but they aren't as godly as you seem to think. they are not better then all porsches. I am sorry but a z06 is amazing at $50k but it is not going to compete that closely and certainly not destroy a $200k porsche. it just won't happen. and don't go generalizing and call all japanese cars crap. there are some real gems in there. rx-7 tt, supra tt, 300zx tt. admittedly the z06 can beat some of the jap cars but not all of them.

I agree that vettes are great for the money, but anyone who has sat in a Porsche, Ferrari, or Lambo knows that if you have more money you get more car. The Z06 maybe as fast as the 911 turbo in almost all respects, but you need new brakes and a transmission cooler to run with a 996TT on the track. While, these do not somehow make the Z06 cost as much as teh $120k 911 turbo...it just shows that Porsche did more research in making the 911 turbo a track monster right out of the box. Also, the interior of the z06 is a far cry from a 911 turbo, new ferrari or lambo...again part of the price difference. While, a Z06 is fast as hell and has great numbers they have been show to get beat by other cars through corners. Having a huge engine up front doen't exactly give them supreme handling feel or control.

With that being said the Z06 is the best bang for the buck all around sports car on the marked..followed by my car the s2000 IMO. I'm talking new cars here. Also, a Z06 will run away from any japanese stock sports car on the planet. No Supra TT, Rx7, S2000,300zx,WRX Sti, Evo 7, or skyline can run with a Z06 if the japanese car is stock. 2002 Z06's are pushing high 11's stock in the 1/4. I have seen the timeslips personally. With Header, exhaust, and intake they can be running mid 11's for around $2k..not bad. Also, i hate comparing NA engines with turbos. There is no comparison. I would rather have a lower HP NA motor anyday for driving around town or a track then some turbo motor. Throttle response and controlability just go down hill fast with a turbo setup. Now if all you are is a 1/4 junkie FI is the way to go. Anyone seen the video of the Lingenfelter TT 427 vette running a 9.7 1/4. The car sounds and looks no different then a regular vette at idle...the thing is just amazing. There is a video where it runs with a viper ACR...oh my!! Talk about getting walked! :)

Why do they compare the Z06 with a Porsche 911. They are comparing the top of the line Corvette with the bottom of the line Porsche 911. If your going to compare a top of the line Corvette ZO6 than compare it to the top of the line Porsche 911 Turbo. The Corvette ZO6 doesn't even come close. Porsche did 0-60 in 3.9 seconds a LONG time ago. Back even before 1997. That was when Corvettes broke the 5 second barrier with a 0-60 in 4.7 seconds. The time differences with the Porsche 911 turbos and Corvette ZO6 are so great that the cars can't even be compared. Don't get started with price tages. Sure the Trubo Costs more but its a Porsche. The Corvette is a Chevy. What sounds better? "I got a Chevy baby!" Or "Wanna ride my Porsche-uh?" I'll take the Porsche anyday. And it's not all about looks. Not definetly not. The Porsche is a great deal. You just don't know what your getting with it. Tip-tronic tranny. (this isn't new) A MUCH SAFER CAR! 4 wheel drive. UNBELIEVABLE handling. And incredible areodynamics in the Porsche-uh not only make it faster, but sticks in on the road. A Porsche-uh base 911 to turbo can take corners at speeds the Corvette ZO6 would'nt even dare to take. And you get all the luxury of a luxury car in the Porsche-uh. The new Porsche-uh 911s do 0-60 in 3.7 (some faster) and Porsche is soon to release a supercar. A PRODUCTION car that will be faster than the mclaren, and maybe even the Sledgehammer. Cayanne? The fastest SUV soon to be released by Porsche. What's this say about a company? It makes the best and fastest cars. Chevy shouldn't even be compared to a porsche. The other thing thats odd is that Porsche cars are 6 cylenders while corvettes are 8. Porsche handles better, and is much faster. Hows a top speed of 190mph sound for an old 911 turbo? STOCK!

"It's just Porsche magic."

well if the z06 couldnt compete with the porsche, then why would car magazines be doing comperison storys on the two cars? sure porsche could beat the z06, but it will cost 50k more! And if chevy put 50k more into the z06, lamborghini would have a hard time keeping up! And if you think that porshce has better aerodynamics than the zo6 then your a retard! sure any six cylendar can be fast with a turbo, put a turbo on the 5.7L and see what happens. You need to get off your soap box and go buy a vette!

Originally posted by Porsche911T
Why do they compare the Z06 with a Porsche 911. They are comparing the top of the line Corvette with the bottom of the line Porsche 911. If your going to compare a top of the line Corvette ZO6 than compare it to the top of the line Porsche 911 Turbo. The Corvette ZO6 doesn't even come close. Porsche did 0-60 in 3.9 seconds a LONG time ago. Back even before 1997. That was when Corvettes broke the 5 second barrier with a 0-60 in 4.7 seconds. The time differences with the Porsche 911 turbos and Corvette ZO6 are so great that the cars can't even be compared. Don't get started with price tages. Sure the Trubo Costs more but its a Porsche. The Corvette is a Chevy. What sounds better? "I got a Chevy baby!" Or "Wanna ride my Porsche-uh?" I'll take the Porsche anyday. And it's not all about looks. Not definetly not. The Porsche is a great deal. You just don't know what your getting with it. Tip-tronic tranny. (this isn't new) A MUCH SAFER CAR! 4 wheel drive. UNBELIEVABLE handling. And incredible areodynamics in the Porsche-uh not only make it faster, but sticks in on the road. A Porsche-uh base 911 to turbo can take corners at speeds the Corvette ZO6 would'nt even dare to take. And you get all the luxury of a luxury car in the Porsche-uh. The new Porsche-uh 911s do 0-60 in 3.7 (some faster) and Porsche is soon to release a supercar. A PRODUCTION car that will be faster than the mclaren, and maybe even the Sledgehammer. Cayanne? The fastest SUV soon to be released by Porsche. What's this say about a company? It makes the best and fastest cars. Chevy shouldn't even be compared to a porsche. The other thing thats odd is that Porsche cars are 6 cylenders while corvettes are 8. Porsche handles better, and is much faster. Hows a top speed of 190mph sound for an old 911 turbo? STOCK!

"It's just Porsche magic."
are you on crack?
R&T got 3.9 0-60 with 996 911 TT.
4.0 with Z06 pretty much the difference is launching with AWD vs RWD.
Motor Trend same thing.
Both torch off the 1/4 mile in high 11's.
Both finish at about 160mph in the standing mile.
Both have similar corner speeds on tracks with the Z06 winning in the tight corners and the 996 TT going faster in longer sweepers. Both have similar braking distances. The Z06 has issues with brake fade and transmission over heating but both can be fixed for under $5k. So at a price of less then half of a 911 TT you get a car that is roughly equivalent in stock form. Now if you wanna talk mods the handling of having an engine in the back can give you an advantage, but having an extra 2.1 liters can give you an even bigger advantage. Some of the fastest street cars i have seen run on road courses have been 993 911's, 944 turbos and you aren't gonna believe this but it is true IROC's!! :) head over to cornercarvers.com and ask them about good track cars. :)

Now if you just wanna impress chicks...screw paying $120k+ for a 911 turbo..buy a ferrari 308 for about 25k and most chicks are so dumb they will think you have money cuz you have a ferrari and jump in your car. Of course you now a money grubbing hooker in the car with you...but that is your business. :D\

oh by the way...the carrera Gt will have a mid-mounted v10, with around 580 HP and weigh in the 2400lb range...making it incredibly fast, but not as fast as a mclaren. It is an open cock-pit (convertible with no top like the F50) so no way it will have a top speed faster then the mclaren or the sledgehammer. The only car that will top those two will be the new buggati with the quad turbo W16 engine pushing 1009 HP. The carrera GT is a stunning looking car and the handling should be on par with any road car ever made.

Amen.

Porsche, sure it's a great car, but for 120k? Come on...Tiptronic Transmission ISN'T anything "new". It's in the damn ECLIPSE!
You can have your Porsche and your new fangled "Tiptronic" transmission. I'd take a ZO6, spend the extra money I saved, stop by Lingenfelter and have him build me a 427TT motor with the Aerodynamics kit...
Faster then your Porsche will EVER be.

Just stop by www.Lingenfelter.com and check out their 427TT.

Retarted? No. If anyone is retarted it's you. Porsche has downforce and is slick which is tuff to get in a car. This car bites into turns and is slippery. The Corvettes end tends to break traction and spin out on turns. Thats what happens when you put too much horse power in a car that can't take it. Porsches have as much if not more horsepower in their turbos but they can take the power much better than a RWD vette. Oh, as for the 200+ mph porsche thats going to be faster than the mclaren and sledgehammer? You got the wrong one, get your information striaght I know what im talking about. I would say one of the best cars ever built would be the Porsche 959. This car is faster than a Vettes 170mph, infact the porsche 959 does 198mph. What about performance? Try 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. Thats faster than a vette will ever be.. but speed isn't the only thing! A sledgehammer may be slightly faster than this by 40mph tops... but what the sledge hammer built to tackle offroad dunes and WRC conditions? NO! This car is also older than the sledgehammer.... this is the monster:
http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/machine/por9591.jpg
But wait, theres more! What about that 200+ mph beast I was telling you about that can beat a sledgehammer or a F1? It's a Porsche! 200+ mph only 700 horses? This car has been seen blowing past the radar at already 220 mph, which isn't near It's limit! It can go much faster. Thats magic... heres the beast:

http://www.car.co.nz/images/articles/980/lg_980_1.jpg

So please, before you so everyone how full of stupidity you are, get your information straight. A corvette is like a honda civic to porsche!

Originally posted by Blackbird01
Amen.

Porsche, sure it's a great car, but for 120k? Come on...Tiptronic Transmission ISN'T anything "new". It's in the damn ECLIPSE!
You can have your Porsche and your new fangled "Tiptronic" transmission. I'd take a ZO6, spend the extra money I saved, stop by Lingenfelter and have him build me a 427TT motor with the Aerodynamics kit...
Faster then your Porsche will EVER be.

Just stop by www.Lingenfelter.com and check out their 427TT.

i agree, but for many road courses a properly setup 700HP 911 (the gemballa turbo for example) will run circles around a lingenfelter vette. The engine in the back gives a 911 an amazing edge in corner ability when driven correctly...even though it can be very difficult. Now as far as 1/4 is concerned the vette will win everytime, but a old camaro can be made to run faster then a TT vette very easily and cheaply in the 1/4. so it is all relative. The vette is as fast as the 911 turbo, but much cheaper, but an old fixer upper can be faster then the vette for less money also. It all comes down to what you want in a car and how much money you have. I would love a 996 TT since i'm porsche junkie, since i was 6!! :) I would also love the new VW W12, Z06, Ferrari 360 modena, etc! :) And, I drive an S2000 right now...go figure!! :) I love sports cars what can I say! :D

By old camaro, how old? I'm a camaro fan.

:mad: Okay, okay, I understand the nature of heated debate. But I don't want people calling each other "retards" and what-not. So try to keep it friendlier. Carry on.

Thanks, Happy New Year-

-JD

Originally posted by Porsche911T
Retarted? No. If anyone is retarted it's you. Porsche has downforce and is slick which is tuff to get in a car. This car bites into turns and is slippery. The Corvettes end tends to break traction and spin out on turns. Thats what happens when you put too much horse power in a car that can't take it. Porsches have as much if not more horsepower in their turbos but they can take the power much better than a RWD vette. Oh, as for the 200+ mph porsche thats going to be faster than the mclaren and sledgehammer? You got the wrong one, get your information striaght I know what im talking about. I would say one of the best cars ever built would be the Porsche 959. This car is faster than a Vettes 170mph, infact the porsche 959 does 198mph. What about performance? Try 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. Thats faster than a vette will ever be.. but speed isn't the only thing! A sledgehammer may be slightly faster than this by 40mph tops... but what the sledge hammer built to tackle offroad dunes and WRC conditions? NO! This car is also older than the sledgehammer.... this is the monster:
http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/machine/por9591.jpg
But wait, theres more! What about that 200+ mph beast I was telling you about that can beat a sledgehammer or a F1? It's a Porsche! 200+ mph only 700 horses? This car has been seen blowing past the radar at already 220 mph, which isn't near It's limit! It can go much faster. Thats magic... heres the beast:

http://www.car.co.nz/images/articles/980/lg_980_1.jpg

So please, before you so everyone how full of stupidity you are, get your information straight. A corvette is like a honda civic to porsche!

Oh so because a corvette is RWD it can't be as fast as an AWD 996 TT because it has too much power to the rear wheels?? :) OH man...where do these guys come from. You know which street car holds the record at laguna seca for the fastest time ever a 993 modified porsche running RWD instead of AWD at over 700 HP. Every car in the top 10 is a RWD only car. So how does the vette have disadvantage by running RWD only??

The 959 was a great car, but anyone who knows cars knows that is was too heavy and got torched by F40 back in the day. Of course it ran off road, but also it got smoked on ralley courses by subarus. It did the win the paris dakar ralley which is a lame rally race. It never could take on the more common rally races that you see on espn 2 because it AWD system (which was amazing, the best system ever made in terms of how good it worked) was very heavy and it made the car too heavy.
here is a good AWD article
http://www.eskimo.com/~eliot/awd.html
good article on the 959 vs f40. The 959 had a faster 0-60, but by the time the speeds got to 100 and above the F40 just torched it because of it's higher HP and less drivetrain losses and much lower weight.
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/959/959_9.htm

Of course the 959, and 911 TT that have awd are gonna hookup better, but going 0-60 the fastest does not a race car make. Most road courses you are going faster then 60 through many corners and many have 1-3 miles straigh stretches.
Also which 911 TT does 0-60 in 3.6, the 1997 993 Turbo S was the only one to ever be tested that fast. The 959 also did it, but it wasn't a 911. The 911 turbo does not have a 3.6 0-60, but is a faster car overall since it has a better coefficent of friction.

When this super porsche that runs over 220+ (whichs is still less the the mclaren of sledghammers top speed by 20+mph and less then the new buggati's by 30 mph) comes out then I will give you that one. But since it is going to have 700HP or so and the bugatti is going to have 1009HP...hmmm...I wonder which will havea higher top speed. Top speed is a function of HP and coefficent of drag. The bugatti will win the HP race by over 300HP and has a very slippery shape...good lock porsche.
info on this awesome car
.http://www.vwvortex.com/news/09_01/bugatti/index.shtml

996 TT has downforce?? :) hahah...the standard 911 actually creates lift at over 100mph that is what the Gt3 aero kit was designed for to cancel that lift. Even with that kit a standard 911 doesn't create downforce, but instead gets rid of the annoying and dangerous lift. A stock bodies C5 ran 226 MPH with a 620HP TT Lingenfelter kit. That was with no modifications to the body. The only reason the vette has a top speed of only 170 (2002 Z06) is because of gearing. 5th and 6th gear are a little too high for gas mileage concerns.

I didn't show any stupidity. The only thing i misunderstood was the fact you were talking about a porsche super car that doesn't exist. It is has not be annouced by Porsche for production. The only porsche super car that has been annouced for production is the carrera GT.
here is a quote about your porsche super car:
"Although its existence is denied by Porsche officials, rumors have been circulating throughout the German automotive press for some time now about a new supercar currently in development. Details are sketchy, but early guesses pin the horsepower number around 700 and the top speed at over 220 mph. Power will likely come from an enlarged version of the 4.5-liter aluminum V8 from the
upcoming Cayenne SUV."
I hope it comes out...I would love to see it.
You said a 911 turbo does 0-60 in 3.6 secs. That is pretty vague since only one 911 turbo has ever done that. When you post be more specific and don't try to get people pissed by posting in the corvette forum about how much better porsche's are. I love porsche's, but corvettes are great cars too, and so are ferraris and others.

By the way I'm curious what do you drive? Can I see a picture of it?

Originally posted by Porsche911T
By old camaro, how old? I'm a camaro fan.

well, i saw a 69 (i think it was a 69, but i may have been a 68) run a low 8 1/4 pass here in oregon at woodburn drag strip. Of course it had a blower the size of basketball sticking out of the hood!! :)
here is one! :)
http://www.cars-on-line.com/1udirectory/68cam3294-B.JPG
7.93 @ 178mph! :)

So your telling me that porsche has better aerodynamics, because its slick and has downforce! Man you proved me wrong! You dont think that the z06 has downforce? and is slick!:rolleyes:

Yeah I see lots of 60s camaros at my drag track. I'm thinking of getting a late 70s camaro.. seems like a very reliable car.. not the fastest but something my dad had and he realy enjoyed. Plus they are cheap now, and it looks like the value is only going up.

Im sorry I just like causeing trouble:flipa: :finger: :devil: :bloated: The fuck did you do to my eye! ahh please dont stick your stick shift in it

Stick shift? Wouldn't you rather have "Tiptronic"...?

Personally, I like Porsche's, but I don't necessarily think the 911 Turbo is worth it's hefty price tag. I had the chance to drive a 2001 911 Turbo, and yes, it was an amazing car....You turn the ignition and SILENCE. The car truely is a luxury/performance package.
But for the $, I'd rather have the ZO6. Corvette heritage, AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR SOUND and it has the ability to keep up with just about anything on the road these days, and not to mention, it's 1/3 the price!

I have had the chance to buy a corvette. I love the old ones but any 1978 to present just don't please me. I think the body is dull and too plain. The interior on the other hand is extremly nice. Anyways, test dricing the corvette was fun, but I didn't feel any extreem acceleration that I expected. Hell, I feel more torque in my sister's four cylender acura integra. I guess the integra is just lighter and revers up higher than V8s. The corvette is like riding a jacuzzi. I bet the people that own the run over atleast 10 squirles and other things a day without even knowing it. But the old corvette, I LOVE. The bodies are unbelievably beautiful and the C3 vettes have a real nice interior. I like the C3s up to the end of the flying butress. I don't like the looks of all that glass. The C4s never attracted me and the new vette is "ehh". When I look at it the body is too plain and doesn't catch my eye. And no my friend another beautyful thing about tiptronic is that you can't stick it in your eye:licker:
One last thing, my car is an old Porsche 911 from 1969. Though the base 911 and the only one with carbs and no MFI, its still faster than some of the 70s-80s corvettes. And the 69T only got 120 Horsepower. Thats magic to get a car to go so fast with so little power. As for acceleration, average. The 1969 911S with MFI tops at 170 mph. The car is just as fast as the ZO6. Surprising isn't it? 33 year old monster is faster that cars today...

What made me get the Porsche 911 rather than Corvette? Safety. Corvette is 1/3 of the price as a Porsche, but if you crash in a corvette its likely thats the last time you'll drive one, or in fact drive anything. You can't put a price on life.

Corvette= Raw Power and Performance
Porsche(excluding the Boxster)= Prestige and Performance

Gsteg - I agree with you about the boxster. I would never buy one, its just a fad. Wait a decade and it will just fade. This is why I'm mad the Corvette is compared to the boxster most of the time. The boxster is porsches cheapest model. Corvette is chevys best.

Porche 911
Anyways, test dricing the corvette was fun, but I didn't feel any extreem acceleration that I expected. Hell, I feel more torque in my sister's four cylender acura integra. I guess the integra is just lighter and revers up higher than V8s.

98 Integra 127 lb ft @ 5200 rpm
C5 Vette 400 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm

I can see how you had trouble telling the difference. :rolleyes:

First of all you dont know which Corvette I test drove, what year, engine model.
You dont even know what acura she has, year, model.

OMG why must you assume everything. I give facts, you say what you think.:rolleyes:

My sisters got a 1997 Acura integra LS. 128ft trq and weights 2685lbs
The Corvette I test drove was a L48 has near 200ft trq and weights 3,534 lbs

The corvette is 1,000 lbs heavier! I definetly noticed a difference with the integra and corvette. The integra was quicker, lighter and accelerated better than the corvette. The corvette was also 350 ci while the integra is 110ci.. yet the integra was faster. I could barely tell a difference with my fathers nissan pathfinder and the corvette acceleration. My fathers SUV has more horsepower than the vette, is bigger and accelerates about the same as the corvette.
Plus you crash in an integra (I have) you don't die, as a matter of fact I didnt even get a scratch. But if you crash in a vette you die. Go to crashtests.com. There arent many people that get injured in a vette, but the death rate is Poor ( the worst you could get). Maybe nobody gets injured in a vette because they all die...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Porsche911T
My sisters got a 1997 Acura integra LS. 128ft trq and weights 2685lbs
The Corvette I test drove was a L48 has near 200ft trq and weights 3,534 lbs

The corvette is 1,000 lbs heavier! I definetly noticed a difference with the integra and corvette. The integra was quicker, lighter and accelerated better than the corvette. The corvette was also 350 ci while the integra is 110ci.. yet the integra was faster. I could barely tell a difference with my fathers nissan pathfinder and the corvette acceleration. My fathers SUV has more horsepower than the vette, is bigger and accelerates about the same as the corvette.
Plus you crash in an integra (I have) you don't die, as a matter of fact I didnt even get a scratch. But if you crash in a vette you die. Go to crashtests.com. There arent many people that get injured in a vette, but the death rate is Poor ( the worst you could get). Maybe nobody gets injured in a vette because they all die...:rolleyes:

well, i went and looked at crashtest.org..not com....com is nothing. Corvettes weren't tested..so where did you get your info...did you make it up..maybe so? :rolleyes:
You are comparing an old assed, underpowered, emissions hampered corvette vs a very new car. Go check out a C5, or Z06..hell a C4 or Zr1 or any performance packaged 1960's vette vs an integra.

As for you porsche stats...i'm guessing they are about as reliable as your crash test stats. If you have a link for new corvette crash ratings...I would love to see em.

Originally posted by Porsche911T
My sisters got a 1997 Acura integra LS. 128ft trq and weights 2685lbs
The Corvette I test drove was a L48 has near 200ft trq and weights 3,534 lbs

The corvette is 1,000 lbs heavier! I definetly noticed a difference with the integra and corvette. The integra was quicker, lighter and accelerated better than the corvette. The corvette was also 350 ci while the integra is 110ci.. yet the integra was faster. I could barely tell a difference with my fathers nissan pathfinder and the corvette acceleration. My fathers SUV has more horsepower than the vette, is bigger and accelerates about the same as the corvette.
Plus you crash in an integra (I have) you don't die, as a matter of fact I didnt even get a scratch. But if you crash in a vette you die. Go to crashtests.com. There arent many people that get injured in a vette, but the death rate is Poor ( the worst you could get). Maybe nobody gets injured in a vette because they all die...:rolleyes:

Congrats. You succesfully tested an OLDASS slow Vette with a gas guzzling old SBC against a new Integra.
Ya know, I did something similar...
I went out and tested a 2001 Corvette Convertible (I just happened to have one sittin in my garage) and a 1981 Honda that I picked up at a local junk yard...Sorry, I couldn't make out the model, it was too rusty to read the name of the car.

Anyways, I first got out and tried driving the honda around town. My initial thought was that I wasn't even moving, but upon careful inspection, I noticed that I was indeed crusing along at a hefty .9 MPH. Soon after starting the car, blue exhaust gases started seeping in through the enormous hole that had rusted out thru the floors.
I finally got the thing moving (after pushing it down a hill) and hit it's top speed of 15mph! Woo Hoo!

Then, it was on to my C5 'Vert.
I had the top down while crusin' along at a paltry 85 MPH. Power and acceleration at any speed was quick and very smooth. Must be the new electronic fuel injection. :bloated: Wind noise with the top up was slim to none, even WITH the ragtop...With it down, I was still able to hold a conversation with my passenger at 85 MPH without having to yell.

You want to know why the Corvette gets a "poor" death rate???
I honestly asked my insurance company this question when my dad bought HIS Vette. They told me it wasn't because of the Vettes bad crash tests. In fact, they've received fairly good crash test ratings. The fact that Corvettes are able to travel in excess of 170mph plays a key role in this one....Ever wonder what happens when you crash going 170mph? That's right kiddies, YOU DIE! Regardless of whether or not you're in a Corvette, an Integra or even a freakin' Hummer, if you crash while traveling at 170 MPH, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Can't stop physics. The majority of Corvette driver DEATHS occur due to HIGH SPEED CRASHES. Maybe since the Integra can only go so fast, they don't see so many "HIGH SPEED CRASHES"....Hmmm???????

So there. I did a comparo like you, got some mixed results, and also had the chance to answer your "Corvette Crash Test Findings"...

Also, I was just curious as to why Porsche owners are having such a hard time keeping their car from spinning out around turns or when traveling at high speeds???

I can answer the question, I'd just like to see your reply....
After all, Porsche's are so SAFE now aren't they???

Probably the reason why RUF makes ANYONE that wants to buy one of his cars take a driving skill test and MUST pass a road course test before they are even allowed to buy the car...

hey 911t, well of course the corvette doesnt have all that much torque off the line, because its a highend torque car. You cant get a car that does 9's in the 1/4, and expect it to do 175 down the highway with no problem. And i really doubt that a 69 911 can do 170 mph, and i cant believe you compared it to the z06? first of all 170 mph isnt the only aspect of the car, you also have spectacular brakes, 0-60 in 3.9 sec, 400hp 400 lbs/ft of torque, and can hang in a rally with the wrx! If you want to compare a 69 vette with a 69 porsche go ahead, just remember the 69 vettes had big blocks 454's!

The Big Blocks back in their day were fast.
Compared to todays standards they aren't.
GM's NEW Corvette now goes faster while using LESS GAS and utilizing a smaller engine.
What a wonderful thing technology does for ya eh?

they arent that much faster, my dad has a 73 stingray 454, and he can wrap the needle around a 160 mph guage. we cant tell how fast he is going, but its well over 160.

OK, in a recent Car and Driver, a Z06 and a 911 Turbo (2001, both of them), went aroung a road coarse. Guess who won? The Vette by a few seconds, not a few tenths, a few whole seconds. It was done on the same day in the same conditions. Granted, the Z06 can't take the GT2, but with a few mods, it could.

About that Lingenfelter 427 TT, I am unimpressed. The TT on the 350 has 650hp, so 77 cubes only addes 75 horsepower? When it adds 200 to the 350? I don't think so. Something's not right.

And I *HATE* heavy cars. Thats why the 959 and many new cars don't appeal to me. A 4000lb Lambo and 3400lb 911 Turbo, that just isn't right. If you think its safer, if it weighed less, it would crash with less force, so HA!

I saw a stock Z06 on slicks run 11.44 at 124.Lets see a M3 do that!

Originally posted by Chris
OK, in a recent Car and Driver, a Z06 and a 911 Turbo (2001, both of them), went aroung a road coarse. Guess who won? The Vette by a few seconds, not a few tenths, a few whole seconds. It was done on the same day in the same conditions. Granted, the Z06 can't take the GT2, but with a few mods, it could.

About that Lingenfelter 427 TT, I am unimpressed. The TT on the 350 has 650hp, so 77 cubes only addes 75 horsepower? When it adds 200 to the 350? I don't think so. Something's not right.

And I *HATE* heavy cars. Thats why the 959 and many new cars don't appeal to me. A 4000lb Lambo and 3400lb 911 Turbo, that just isn't right. If you think its safer, if it weighed less, it would crash with less force, so HA!

The lingenfelter TT 427 runs high 9's with a amatuer driver and the fastest it has gone is 9.45.Here is a video of some amatuer guy running high 9's
http://www.lingenfelter.com/main/lpe_tt.avi

I wouldn't really say the driver of that car is an amatuer.
He's no professional, but in order to drive a car with that much power, you CAN'T be just some amature...
You have to have SOME skill and knowledge of the car, IMO.

Porsche911...you have seriously funny comparisons. I think I can do that too. I have a 80s vintage family sedan, that with a few hundred dollars in mods(already done) can blow your doors off in acceleration. It can do that to your Porsche, or a new one for that matter. GT2 or not. And this is a family sedan!!! I guess Porsche is just a poor accelerating car. :(

The truth is the vette is the best overall car out there now. A coupe will yield the same performance as a porsche 911 carrera, beat a boxter, and look/sound better doing it. I must admit, porsche's are great sports cars but they cost too much and really don't focus on being a 100% pure sports car. Come on, are pretty little wood and leather interiors really necessary in a sports car? Now, lets get to the exceptional Z06, which will pretty much beat or keep up with anything on the road. The Z06 is an incredible bargain. It'll keep up with a viper, porsche turbo, and will beat any current production Ferrari. Actually, the only Feraris that can beat a Z06 are a F50 and an F40, which cost about eigth times the price. As nice as some of those exotics are, a Z06 is even more incredible for its value. ;)

Actually, the Porsche 911 makes leather an option! Once you put several grand of interior options in, its nice. The corvette is very parts bin stuff, a few grand extra would fix that, and I think it should be an option (like nice wiper stalks, a non-truck radio, some aluminum/leather/soft stuff instead of plastic).

And the 360 coupe is a little faster than a Z06, but it is sooooo close.

Originally posted by Chris
Actually, the Porsche 911 makes leather an option! Once you put several grand of interior options in, its nice. The corvette is very parts bin stuff, a few grand extra would fix that, and I think it should be an option (like nice wiper stalks, a non-truck radio, some aluminum/leather/soft stuff instead of plastic).

And the 360 coupe is a little faster than a Z06, but it is sooooo close.
I am not sure how you define faster. The modena beat the 2001 Z06 around thunderhill by .3 secs. That was one track with one driver. Figuring that the 2002 Z06 has another 20HP and 20lb/ft...i don't think it is possible to say the modena is faster then the Z06. There are guys at z06vette.com running 11.9 in the 1/4 with stock 2002 Z06's. If you look at how much HP each car has (405 vs 400) and the fact the Z06 weighs less....I don't belive the modena is faster then the Z06 in any way.

Corvettes aren't about woosy interiors. Oh, and yes a corvette Z06 is faster than a 360 modena.

0-60 corvette Z06-4.0 secs, 360 modena- 4.3 secs

and u know what the best part about the vette being faster than a modena? u could buy 3 vettes and have extra money for mods for the price of a 360

and another thing... the corvette has a front/rear weight distribution of 52/48, this almost neutral weight distribution equals almost neutral handling.......a porsche is ass-heavy, so what does that make its handling?






YES! ASS-HEAVY!
just face it, the ZO6 is the worlds best performance bargain, if u wanted to spend the same amount modding Z as u would buying a stock 911TT, then u would have a car that would blow the doors off a mclaren

bow-tie power at its finest!

Finally, someone who actually knows and understands what real sports cars are about. 327Bellair, we need more people like you!:cool:

Originally posted by 327belair
and another thing... the corvette has a front/rear weight distribution of 52/48, this almost neutral weight distribution equals almost neutral handling.......a porsche is ass-heavy, so what does that make its handling?






YES! ASS-HEAVY!
just face it, the ZO6 is the worlds best performance bargain, if u wanted to spend the same amount modding Z as u would buying a stock 911TT, then u would have a car that would blow the doors off a mclaren

bow-tie power at its finest!

umm...while i totally agree that the Z06 is better bang for the buck then almost any car on the market...the 911 having the engine in the back does not make it handle badly. It actually handles very well. 993 911's (the last iteration of the air cooled engine) are amazing race cars. Many of the fastest track cars in the world are based on that chassis. Many of them have different mods and turbos, but they all share a common trait the engine in the back. The fastest time ever run on Laguna Seca, by a road going car, is a 911 TT...not a 996, but a 993. Also, having the engine in the back makes the acceleration times in the 911 from 0-30 extremely fast. They hook up amazingly, AWD or not. 911's are great cars, but not the amazing deal that the Z06 is.

From what I have read, it takes an amazing amount of effort on the part of Porsche designers to make sure the car handles as well as it does with the rear engine. The reason Porsche is usually 5-10 years ahead on the technology curve than most manufacturers is that their rear engines cars demand that they are. This is not a slight on Porsche at all, but it does explain why they are so expensive. I love Vettes and Porsches alike I just don't like the Porsche price tag :eek: . As for modding the Vette well there is no argument there, the performance for the price can't be beat.

The thing is, porsches really don't like to be pushed. In almost every corvtte/porsche comparo the results are the same: The porsches are beasts on the track because their rear ends are to heavy. What porsches are made for are the pleasure of afluent, middle age men who want a sporty car to drive around in on sunny, Sunday afternoons. The only ones really made to be driven hard are the GT2 & 3 and RUFs. Sorry guys, but vettes have it all over them. They can be driven every day but can also give a hell of a ride on the track.

----Vettes Forever!!!!-----

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are for only Sunday cruising around the country club parking lot but since this is the Vette forum I'll let you slide :sun: .

How do the maintenance costs and overall reliability stack up? These topics aren't sexy but have real world ramifications that I think are worth considering when you look at the overall value of a car. Since I don't own either I'll leave it to those that have experience to try and answer.

Hey another Corvette man I love it! After reading some of the posts you need some back-up, so I registered here I am. :loser: this is the signal I show to these porsches went I blow by them. I can't tell you how many 911's I've dusted, and not even with my ZO6! This is my third Vette, and it's modified and very fast. I haven't run into a porsche that has given me an ounce of trouble or anyone that has even come close for that matter. So anyone that dawgs the Vette either has never driven one or has been dusted by one lol! This makes these guys :screwy: like this! Cya around the forums! P

This thread is too long to read all of it, so I don't know if this has been posted yet. If you want pure speed go for a zo6. the M3 is made to be a well rounded car. I'm currently in this situation contemplating weather to buy a M3 or a Zo6. I'm taking the M3. The vette has a horrible interior and anchient technology IMO. I like vettes and have had a 69 stingray. If you look pushrod tecnology is quite old. I understand that it is the most effective way to make power but the times are changing. Come on, I don't even have a clutch in my M3 and its still got a form of a manual transmission. The M3 is an amazing macine, I can fit 4 adults in it. Now that brings me to a whole new point, the Zo6 shuoldn't be in the comparison. It was two Gt's vs. a vette. Now here's a challenge; Corvette Zo6, Ferrari 360, Ford Gt, 911 Turbo. And M3, 911, and a ferrari 456GT. The test was messed up not the cars. Just my 2 cents.

Anyone who's got any sense about cars should have a healthy respect for all the cars in the comparo, even though IMO the M3 shouldn't be compared to the Vette because it has a back seat.

I love the Vette and it is the best bang for the buck, you are not going to change the mind of biased guys like that 911 guy because he is what you called a dyed in the wool Porschephile and he doesn't even believe that a Cayenne is a real/true porsche, so why would he give any props to a Chevy.

Pound for pound and dollar for dollar the Vette smokes them all.

i have a 93 z28 with only a gear and some higher octane gas an i handed an m3 his ass by 2 cars, when i raced the zo6 2003 which run's 12.1 i think he pulled 4 cars in 10 mph so i dought some gay bmw is gonna beat the vette sorry especially the c6 which will be running 11's stock and if you still think your bmw can win just race a ZL1 camaro 2002 , it only goes 9.55 stock