I used to be a big Honda fan...and then I discovered Nissans! I am all about the 240's now. I was just wondering: Why do all of you love your Nissans? To you, what makes it sooo much better than a Honda?

Simply becuase its not a honduh. They were made for driving...fast. Not so much the KA but itll still put a civic in its place. Can you say RWD?

I like my 240 cuz it was the lightest RWD car in my budget range. And they are cute.

Us folk from the south like our RWD dont we SHO?

lol, RWD rocks!

yup i luv the 240 for it's RWD.

RWD, easy to tune, cost efficient, light...


And they are cute.
THAT was never a consideration. I have NEVER considered a COOL car cute! :D

the styling, and the performance, of course

RWD drifting

just look at the size of the bay on the 240sx, easy tuning
the performance options, and i just associate honda and ricers it bothers me what people do with them to "be fast",

its also a very nice looking car

Everything they make is great stuff, yet they get killed in sales, Honda or Toyota puts out a shit box and everyone jumps on it because of the brand, fuck them, I say!

...Honda or Toyota puts out a shit box and everyone jumps on it because of the brand,...
I wouldn't go that far. I LOVE the Toyota 2JZ! I would rather eat worms than have a Honda though.

I mean new toyotas, the Camry, Scions, Echo for christ sake!!

Fuck all of you bagging on Honda. If it wasn't for Honda, the import scene would have never come to the U.S. Honda made imports popular and made it possible for imports to be cheap and easy to mod. I have a Civic, 240SX, and a 1964 Chevy truck. I love cars and racing. I love the Civic because it is fun as hell to drive. FWD is great in auto-x. I love the 240SX because it is fun as hell to drive. RWD is great for drifting. I love my truck because there is nothing like the Classics. All cars can be made fast, and it sucks that the reputation of the Civic has suffered because of Ricers, but the 240SX is starting to go down the same path. They are getting in the hands of the wrong people and are being riced out. I appreciate all cars. Hondas are awsome when they are done up right, and it is the same for all cars. Bag on Hondas again and I'll race you. We'll see who's laughing after that. It's not the fastest car, but I will stomp on the majority of the people here. By the way, it's NA.

to be honest, you can't disrespect his beliefs.. you can't argue about how some cars end up in the wrong hands, because they do, not just hondas but unfortunately nissans too.. just not as many.. cause 240s are better..

and logik, i actually laughed out loud at your reply to the clutch question

Actually....Last summer I met a guy in NC who has the absolute fastest Civic I have ever seen. He drag races nationally and he clarified for me the logic of a wheelie bar on a FWD. Whenever I had seen that in the past I laughed...but I understand now. His car was a monster...and he was really serious with it. He rebuilds his engine after every weekend of racing.

I just don't like FWD or Civics...it is ONLY a matter of taste. I do respect REAL tuned Civics and their owners.

shiet... i'd rather preferred the Honda's to NOT bring the so-called "import scene" down to the US in the first place. Everything is so overpriced now because of that. You could put any price on something new... and of course rich ricers who think it's good perfomance will open their wallets for it. Now that everyone's attempted/attempting to import from Jap, the states established all sorts of unfair rules everywhere. i think it's bullshit. Cars would be much easier to find... cheaper... and ricers who just like to 'pose' wouldn't even exist. (b/c there are too many out there who just like to go along with the fad).

i jus wished they had kept nissan underground like before but now it's slowly being swept away by the hands of ricers.

sigh...

2cnt.......dude.. the 90z are over... show seens are not a big az they used to be... teh HONDA looks and stuff is not original anymore. Pepboys got a suped up honda. it dying out, but what is coming up is the again (always been there ) is the fast crew...
now its all about teh TURBO, DRIFT, AWD bull shit
sorry teh show seen is dying.... evryone whats to play N4S underground, everyone what to drift or rally. tahts the bandwagon, the neon lights are faiding......

Shiftka24de, since imports became huge in the U.S., parts started being shipped over and American companies started making them. If it never got popular the resources for making these cars kick ass would never have existed in the U.S. and everything would have to be shipped from Japan. Hence expensive. Usually popularity brings about cheaper parts because there is always going to be a company that offers the same part for cheaper, if possible, on popular parts. In order for other companies to compete they must lower prices. That's why the Chevy 350 or 5.7 liter motor is so cheap and easy to make powerful. It was a very popular motor, and still probably the most popular motor in the U.S. Every Hot Rodder out there has had a 350 Chevy.

P.S. There would probably be no chance of the new Skyline coming to the U.S. if it wasn't for the popularity of imports.

Shiftka24de, since imports became huge in the U.S., parts started being shipped over and American companies started making them. If it never got popular the resources for making these cars kick ass would never have existed in the U.S. and everything would have to be shipped from Japan.

true... the import seen started with HONDAZ no one can disagree with that... i give it up to honda for the tunning doors it opend here in the US...
tnxs honda

but again honda is over.... (not dead, but the civic nation is over )
as far as the show thing is concernd.

its a good thing people can stay on subject because otherwies we would be lost........as for why i love nissan, nissan has overcome all obsticles in its way in every class(drag,drift, and circuit)not to mention its durabilaty and fuel economy, that is only surpased by toyota,honda would come in 3rd in that area. but really if you want a fast inexpecive fuel friendly car that will last nissan is the way to go. cant expect the much fron honda or toyota...unless your buying the toyota supra expencive in both price and gas but good.and honda.....not too fast now is it.

in fact lets compare nissan has 200SX,240SX,300ZX, sentra,350Z, and the SKYLINE
honda has the civic....the s2000...CRX(the only good civic) and the del sol(which is a disgreace with out an engine swap)
toyota has the celica, and the SUPRA

im not saying these are the only car they have im metinoning the car that are most populer. the accord dont count as for its a family sadan.

the honda nation is over and its about damn time everyone is looking for new cars to get there hands on and tune. The civic people made themselves die out by doing the same shit over and over. that is the grreat thing about the 240 it cant be over done there arent enough 240's in america for it to really get played out. and i love my 240 because its RWD and because when i drive by civics in my RWD car i always fell better about myself knowing that they are slow

Niswiz, you give 240SX lovers a bad name. You are ignorant and stupid. As far as fast Hondas, mine has a total investment of $5,200, including the price of the car. It gets an average gas milage of 27-28 mpg, that's average, not freeway. I ran a 14.01 best 1/4 with stock steely wheels and tires. For the money you can't beat Honda. I love Nissans too, if you check my info I own a 240SX. Oh and by the way, my honda is a 4-door. I beat 350z's, twin turbo 300zx's, 240's, 200sx's, with no trouble. I love both companies and will not tollerate stupid retards that put one down without knowing shit.

hmm.... maybe everyone's been into Nissan's after TFATF movies and after the drift scenes... especially after the TFATF movies... I've always loved the 1992 Nissan 240SX Fastbacks... i've always been a fan of those since 94... yup... but up here in minnesota... when snow starts falling... bad Idea..!! Oh welll...

[QUOTE=S13wanabe] Oh and by the way, my honda is a 4-door. I beat 350z's, twin turbo 300zx's, 240's, 200sx's, with no trouble. [QUOTE]

i think you're pushing it.. STOCK 350z's will do 14s, let alone a modded one. a good driver will do low 14s.. and for 300zxtt's?? easy there driftsilvia.. thats just ridiculous

At the track, in Charlsbad, CA, 350z's run 14.5-14.8 usually. I run low 14's consistanly, so I usually win. The best time I have seen for a 350z is 14.24. The 300zxtt are running high 14's. The best I have seen for those is 14.57. Keep in consideration these cars are virtually stock, maybe exhaust and/or intake. Modded they are fast and will beat me. But price wise you can't touch me for with those cars with a total investment of $5,200, can you. Honda's are great speed, reliability, and gas milage for the money. It is cheaper to make a Honda go fast, but yes it is limited. I am just sick of people not giving Honda's any credit. All I hear is people bad mouthing them. On the Honda forum you don't see people bad mouthing Nissan, so why are people here so determined to put other things down. I love both companies.

i don't see how much joy you get out of beating stock cars.. these guys obviously aren't the best drivers.. people like you frustrate me.. don't get pissed at me for that, its just the way i feel about it.. i'll give you that your civic does 14s but has little more potential unless you spend $1500 for every 0.5s you take off your 1/4 mile time.. and a 14.57 best for a 300zxtt?? wow, i'm disappointed

300zxtt are only supposed to run 14.4's in the 1/4. Back when they came out, that is what the mags were getting. Beating stock cars that cost $30,000 does make me feel good. I'm sure you would love it if you beat stock SS Camaros with a 240SX and a couple mods, wouldn't you. It's the satifaction knowing that you spent a fraction of the money, and don't carry the status, and can still win in a race. Everyone knows this feeling when they beat a Mustang, or maybe you can't do that yet. Like I said, I just don't see why people have to bag on Honda.

You seemed to be on my side earlier. Don't know why you are being like this now. I do get mad when people bag on the things I like, especially when there is no reason to do so.

sorry man, im trying to admit the fact that today is the last day i can drive my 240 till probably march.. i've been pessimistic with everyone.. don't take it personally. yeah, i would be pretty happy beating stock ss camaros.. when you said 300zxtt i automatically think they're modded but they're stock so thats a different story.. the reason i don't like hondas is cause they're not fast to start with unless you have one that comes with the h22.. other than that you have to spend money to get it to compete with the stock 240..
no hard feelings man i don't really mean to be sour

I'm a big 240 fan, but I have respect for any car that can go fast. If there's a Civic that could beat a Skyline ( yeah, right! :) ) then I would STILL have some respect for the Honda, as much as I would be disappointed.

Honda is actually a very good car to own, gets good gas milage, cheap to maintain..cant go wrong with an economy car. As far as racing, please dont compair the non performance cars to cars that were ment for the average enthusiest. the Silvia and ITR are very good match ups. Also, the Honda NSX dominates JGTC for your 411, so dont jump on the company for producing cars that dont fit your driving style, because not everyone drives the same way. Its all driver prefrence. I know some very skillfull FWD drivers that pull off lap times quicker than some porsche owners.

Getting a Honda fixed at the garage isn't cheap.

Toyota had it's good years with the Supra and AE86 and the All-Trac Celica, Honda had it's good years with the ITR and CTR, NSXs were pretty damn badass to and even the new S2000 is sweet, Nissan had great years with the GT-Rs, Silvias, Zs, but let's face it, which car company is still in the game? Nissan!

They have the SE-R, Altima SE-R soon, Maximas are pretty cool, so are the Murano and Titan. Honda has an ugly ass Accord, weak sauce, white-bread Civic and even weaker CR-V, thank god they still have the S2000. Toyota has the taxi Camry (4 out of 5 taxis in Montreal are Camrys), the even whiter the white bread Corolla (and pathetic attempt at a cool car with the XRS), the ECHO!!! FOR CHRIST SAKE, WHAT AN EXCUSE FOR A CAR!!!! They also have those great "tuner cars" called Scions....what a joke, what a sad, pussy-thetic, joke. And wow they have the Celica! (Crap, except for the GT-S, which is ok but torque-less) Woohoo! They will stop making it next year and will not have anymore "sports" car!! (same for MR-S)

So..yeah...and glad I made you laugh. ;-)

I love the MR2 Spyder. are they really stopping the production on it. I don't know how Toyota plans on competing anymore.

Toyota and Hondas main concern was producing cars to hit the "affordable economy car market" aiming at the public who did not share the same racing or speed thurst as we do in this forum. Toyota is stoping production on the MRS/MR2 because of declined sales...much like Nissan discontinued the 300zx and Silvia due to the fact that sales were low. But that doesnt mean they wont come back. Im very suprised that nissan is still up and running. even a few years back they almost lost their company because they wernt meeting the market standerds. They sure made a comback though with the maxima/altima/sentra.

As far as the market for racers..expect to see a Toyota Supercar as well as a possible rebirth of a Supra. Honda has a few tricks up their sleve. And dont forget Mazda with lots of their engineers are working around the clock perfecting the rotary engine design. I expect to see all companies compete in the GT300/GT500/LEMANS by 2010

there was speculation a year ago about sending out a 2005 supra with either a 4.7L V8 or a 4.0L V6. and the mr2 hasn't been in canada for years.. i wouldn't be surprised if it left the states..

The Skyline and Supra would b ruined by a V engine, and yeah, we didn't get the new gen MR-2/S.

The reason why Nissan was able to stand back up to it's feet was because of Carlos Ghosn. i think he came to japan in '99 from previous jobs at Renault and Michelin. He ignored all traditional japanese business etiquettes by laying off a shit load of people, declining all small business offers, etc, etc... but in the end Nissan projected to have record breaking profits in '01.

this somewhat made him a threat to Japanese traditionalists.... but hey a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do~

Also Carlos was the man who decided to export GTR's and mass produce/market them in the US. I was watching the japanese news a while ago.. and i remember when he said "An amazing car like the GTR shouldn't only be sold here in Japan but also be on the market in neighboring contries...," "it's a waste...." etc... Hence, we are starting to see small glimpse's of GTR concepts that MAY arrive at US shorelines sometime in '07.

A new Supra would be pretty cool.

But I agree that a V engine will ruin the Supra and the Skyline. They were known for their bullet proof I-6's. V engines are all that is in the plans for the two cars, so they won't be as special as the existing ones are. No matter how great the new Skyline will be, I would much rather have an R34, R33, or R32.

The reason why Nissan was able to stand back up to it's feet was because of Carlos Ghosn.


YEP....YEP.....YEP.....
period... if u have nissan stock u would know that!!!! great CEO!!!!

S13WANABE im glad you car get 27-28mpg and runs 14.01. really i am...

ive yet to see a honda beat me with the same mods i have(cone filter, custom pipping w/ crazy bends) the only hondas i see run fast have engine swaps, like my friends CRX the runs 13.8 1/4. hes put about $6700 into it i have an other friend with the SR swap and runs 13.4 w/ stock turbo at .9bar using stock tiresand he has spent about $4500 and he still get 24-25 mpg.

i saw a 4DOOR civic w/ a B16A swap run 15.2 1/4. the engine has 11.0:1 compresion and some other engine work, skunk2 headers/exhaust,highflow cat,theinterior was all taken out, had only the driver light weight racing seat and had drag redial tires...he said he spent $4900 on his engine and power adders. so what S13WANABE is telling me is that had this guy spent $400 more he would have droped an entire second.....???????

oh thats right its called a nitrous bottle.

No actually it's called an LS/Vtec. I bought it used from a friend for cheap, and another friend gave me PR3 pistons for free. Those boosted my compression up to 11.5. A fuel pressure regulator later, with stock exhaust and exhaust manifold, with an Akimoto short ram intake that I got for free from my friend who sold his Vtec Del Sol, I ran a 14.01. I have a 93 Civic. It weighs 2319 pounds stock and it will be corner weighted in about two weeks, with new suspension, and wheels and tires. Finally I will have 11.9 pound wheels and Falken Azenis tires. Hopefully then I will be running 13.7. I'll keep you updated "Niswiz." And you're right it does take a motor swap for a Honda to be fast. You also need at least 1.8 liters. Most b16's are really slow. But I bought my car and fixed it up with $5,200. Sorry I'm more fortunate than you and your friends.

Didn;t read it all but the reason I got hooked I 240's was LOVE RWD, LOVE AWD, HATE FWD
loved my miata till i sold it (2 seats no trunk), it was peppy car, so then I'm like I needed a real car.
240 has 4 seats technically throw my annoying friends in the back :). RWD, cheap only 300 bucks. modifiable lots of engines and support for the factory one. my HB has a nice trunks. and with my Rb25 weighing 2800Lbs. and a LSD I should break the 13's and into the 12's shortly after.
God now to decide A/C or not I live in NW. Florida So Think I may have to keep it damnit.

Why would he do that toa 4-door? Damn, he could at least have gotten a coupe, so on a gay scale of one to ten (10being the gaytest) he would have been a 13 instead of an 18.

My goal wasn't to build a cool looking car, it was to build a fast car. The 4-door has a slightly longer wheel base which is better around turns. Offers a little more stability and control. It was also just what I had at the time. I had a 4-door and instead of buying a new car, I fixed it up.

I always thought it was wider is better for turns. I mean look at the Miata :). #1 most popular AutoX car for the buck. and it's wheel base is tiny. but it is still pretty wide. but maybe I'm just way off. someone please put me in my place.

miata = cute fun toy.....240 BAD ASS, AND SUPER FAST!

Miata's are just really good. Super light, rwd, good chassis and weight distribution. I also think a 4-door makes for a great sleeper.

true...thats why i wanted to put the SR20DEt in a stanza. 4 door..260 hp ...wow!

still 240, if done righ,...could be a sleapy (my car is)

They were made for driving...fast. Not so much the KA

www.ka-t.org
www.phatka-t.com

Right.... SR20DETs are so cliche. Your turn.


I don't really care who has the same car as I do. Mine is always different in some way because I modify my car to my specs. Modifying cars is an art and nobody draws the same picture. Some want performance and some want cosmetics. There are a million paths for each and none of them end up in the same place. Even if you want to rice out a civic, your car will always be a little different than the kid down the street.

As for the Hondas being weak and gay and all that, I can respect anything fast for what it is. Sorry but I think a 14 second honda is pretty cool. I would stop and look at a 15 second honda. The only thing I don't have a lot of respect for is posers.

As for the Hondas being weak and gay and all that, I can respect anything fast for what it is. Sorry but I think a 14 second honda is pretty cool. I would stop and look at a 15 second honda. The only thing I don't have a lot of respect for is posers.
I totally agree. I'm not a huge Honda fan (or Camaro fan for that matter) but if it's quick, I say you give it some respect!