I happen to be a friend of this lady who is Nissan's Executive in Sales and Marketing. I asked her a long time ago that if she would find out any confirmed specs of the Z within their Management, to give me a call. And today, she gave me a call saying that the final figure would be 315HP, and that's comimg from top-level management.
So there you guys, it is comfirmed of 315HP. Performance would have to wait til someone test-drives it.:smoka: :bandit: :biggrin2: :badass:

Are you positive...? Thought it was going to be 280HP? Hell I am I dont care...315HP NA is bad!!! Lets see if she can put up the numbers to kick some tail.

how fast is that 0-60? i imagine mid 5s

Originally posted by arpiburpi
how fast is that 0-60? i imagine mid 5s

You can bet on LOW 5's, even 5 flat. You see, Nissan has promised the new 350Z to be the quickest Z ever produced, that means it would be able to beat the last 300ZX TT. The last TT had already been able to do from low to mid 5's, so count on the new Z to beat that. At first, Nissan was about to go with 300hp, but then when they tested it, it wasn't quite faster than the ZX TT, so they tweaked another 15hp out of it, making it a total of 315hp for the 350Z. And when it comes out, different magazines will have different resulted times, but the real times come from the owner themselves. For example, magazines have said the S2000 to do about 5.8, but the majority of owners reported to have done low 5's to mid 5's with no problem.

i hope its 315, is there gonna be a diffrence with horses bet. the track and all other models?

I have yet to see an S2000 hit low 5's 0-60. You are probably thinking of gtech times...

Anyway, I'll believe the HP numbers when I see it...

Originally posted by gabedude
I have yet to see an S2000 hit low 5's 0-60. You are probably thinking of gtech times...

Anyway, I'll believe the HP numbers when I see it...

Go talk to the owners at S2Ki.com and they'll post their track times with stock engines up for ya. Believe it!!!
As for the hp in the new Z, well, you'll see comes August, simple as that. Either way, I'll be cruising in it even if it had 1 hp.

315 hp in the new Z? That would seriously kick some @$$. Thank God it's unblown too. If this is true, there won't be any other cars that I know of which will even count as competition to the Z in its price range.

Originally posted by AznAlby
315 hp in the new Z? That would seriously kick some @$$. Thank God it's unblown too. If this is true, there won't be any other cars that I know of which will even count as competition to the Z in its price range.

C'mon guys, choose your words carefully. No competition in that price range? '03 Cobras will be in that price range and will have 390hp, and several other domestic cars. However, would I buy them? NO!!! I'd pick the Z over those any day.
Better way to say it is: "I think there's no other import cars in that price range could be its competition..."

Ahh, my bad. Within the import world, the Z should be able to dominate the racing scene. But beyond that, I'm talking about the base Z which is well out of the Cobra's market niche. I guess the track model and the Cobra would be very similar in price though. Well anywayz, thanx for the correction.

I hope your right, but for some reason I get the feeling that you aren't, 315 is A LOT of power. Nissan had some problems and it took them some time to finally get the I35 to a true 260HP, so I thought that 280-290 was already stretching a bit, and they would get every last bit out of it, now the 315 figure comes a long. Maybe they hired Ferarri's F1 technical director and got the extra HP. DON'T get me wrong, 315 would be GREAT!!!!

btw, even at 280-290 it should do under or close to 5 sec 0-60. the car that is closest in wt and power is the NSX, it is also about 3150 lbs, and has 290 HP with a 6 speed man. The figures on this car are usually 4.7-4.9, but there was a 4.5 out there in one of the mags (and it wasn't event he Zanardi/light wt addition), so 5.0 or under shouldn't be too unresonable, but if it ends up at 315, it better be closer to 4.6-4.8.

I have heard that Nissan doesn't understate its HP as much as some companies (i.e.-the S2000 actually puts out 247, but they rate it at 240, and the I35 260hp is the same 260 hp that acura puts in the type-s CL/TL), again, I hope I am wrong. I have 2 pictures in frames of this car already kicking around in my house and use it on my screen saver (just to tell you how excited I am about it), now just HURRY UP!!!!!

Originally posted by Zcarfan
I hope your right, but for some reason I get the feeling that you aren't, 315 is A LOT of power. Nissan had some problems and it took them some time to finally get the I35 to a true 260HP, so I thought that 280-290 was already stretching a bit, and they would get every last bit out of it, now the 315 figure comes a long. Maybe they hired Ferarri's F1 technical director and got the extra HP. DON'T get me wrong, 315 would be GREAT!!!!


Nah! I think you're wrong on one thing, I think the 3.5 V-6 VQ engine is able to put out much more than 280hp. With a few technical mods, it'll put out a great number of horses, up to 400hp with ease. Remember, 3.5L is a huge engine. In comparison, it's bigger than the NSX, M3, etc., and as big as a Porsche Carrera's, and just a little smaller than a Ferrari 360 Modena's displacement, but the Modena has a V8. Anyways, the VQ engine is a great, world-class engine, as proclaimed by many magazines in the world. So it'll have no trouble putting out great numbers of horses, similar to those cars listed above.

I race alot and we plane weight, torgue, and hp to make times.... it works well.

Use the Boxer S as a base...

Boxer 3021 lbs, 250 hp, 225 ftlbs = 5.9 sec

350Z 3196 lbs, 280 hp, 267 ftlbs = 5.4 sec

if you factor in 315 hp the numbers are even 5's

My inside info is from a few budies at the Nismo Omori factory.... they get to set in on the weekly spec meeting and tell me the number will be almost 290hp

Wizeline

Originally posted by wizeline
I race alot and we plane weight, torgue, and hp to make times.... it works well.

Use the Boxer S as a base...

Boxer 3021 lbs, 250 hp, 225 ftlbs = 5.9 sec

350Z 3196 lbs, 280 hp, 267 ftlbs = 5.4 sec

if you factor in 315 hp the numbers are even 5's

My inside info is from a few budies at the Nismo Omori factory.... they get to set in on the weekly spec meeting and tell me the number will be almost 290hp

Wizeline

No way does a Boxter S do 0-60 in 5.9. Most mags recorded it in about 5.4, 5.5. A base boxter will do around 6.
I think the number of 290hp is incorrect. I'm sure my lady friend is correct.

Originally posted by Zcarfan
btw, even at 280-290 it should do under or close to 5 sec 0-60. the car that is closest in wt and power is the NSX, it is also about 3150 lbs, and has 290 HP with a 6 speed man. The figures on this car are usually 4.7-4.9, but there was a 4.5 out there in one of the mags (and it wasn't event he Zanardi/light wt addition), so 5.0 or under shouldn't be too unresonable, but if it ends up at 315, it better be closer to 4.6-4.8.


I don't know...I wouldn't compare it to the NSX. What's up with the NSX? It's always been way quicker than its power. Didn't they use to weigh like 2900 lbs? 4.5 is absolutely possible. Pretty damn quick for 290hp.
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/wotw/honda_nsx_800.jpg

I wasn't saying that the boxter S goes 5.9 for real... what I did was use the numbers that porchse supplies on thier website, so before you knock my numbers do some research. the boxter is not a great car.... kinda boring compared to the others in it's long family.

I am setting down some base numbers accourding to manufacurers specs. Any other numbers do not equate since we only have factory numbers to use from the Z.

if you want the formulas I'll send them to ya....

Please e-mail me directly at wizeline@yahoo.com when you get a chance

Thanks

wise, the problem is that you can't use factory claims, some way underestimate their cars (Porsche Boxter does about 5.3 NOT 5.9 and the S2000 does about 5.4 way under the "below 6 sec" claim, while toyota is a little bit on the other end, the is300 does any where from 7.3-7.9, NOT the 7.2 as claimed).

The power to wt ratio doesn't always work out perfectly either, but here are some #'s that may show that the Z should be WAY under 6 seconds.

S2000@2750 lbs and 240 HP=5.4-5.6
Boxster S@about 3042lbs and 250 HP=5.3-5.6
NSX@3150 and 290 HP=4.5-4.9
Corvette@3247 and 350 HP=4.5-4.6
M roadster@3141lbs and 315 HP=4.5-4.6
SLK32 @3265 and 349 HP=4.5-4.6
m3@3415 and 333 HP=4.6-4.8
clk 55@about 3450 and 342 HP=5.1-5.3ish
2001 911@3080 and 300 HP=4.7-5.0


these are not ACTUAL #'s (yet)

just over 3150 lbs and 280 HP (hopefully 290-315)="under 6 seconds" I hope that like Honda, they are way under estimating what the car will actually do. A mid 5's should be easy, perhaps even around the 5 flat region.
the list can go on and on, and there are way to many variables (manual VS stick, altitude, etc...) Some say that Torque is more imprortant, while I agree that it makes a car easier to drive fast, it isn't always true, BMW and Honda/acura have much less torque than their competitors yet do very very well!! While there are formulasout there, it can only accurately predict to within 1/2 of a second.

I agree that the factory estimates are often under estimated, but I refuse to put out numbers that I cannot verify with data.

Also, I did not simply figure weight to hp ratio to get the times! I use a complex formula at our garage based on weight, torque, hp, tred and wheel base to name just a few.... the tranny is a key factor.... will the clutch be tight? or will it slipp and bogg!??

the conservitive figure of 5.2 to 5.4 0 to 60 should be making everyone jump for joy instead of complaining.... it will more than likely make flat 5's but I have no DATA TO VERIFY THAT....

Just a rule of thumb.... don't use car mag figures!!! They often have some ideal conditions built in... use the boring old factory numbers and be pleasently suprised when they turn out better than expected.

I've been doing this for a while now... make your own decisions, but I'll stick to the facts.

Wize, I like to use mag #'s (no just one, but all of them so you get a better pic, because the conditions could be different for each test), I don't like to use factory #'s b/c IMHO anyone can drive a car slower, I like to use the 2 fastest car mag #'s for a good idea. PLUS, every car manufactorer has different motives on how they publish #'s, I won't get into that. But also the #'s don't always make sense, heres an example

My dad drives a MB CLK55

342HP about 3400 lbs 0-60 around 5.1-5.3 (magazines, 4.9 per MB and called the "quickest car MB has ever produced" (until this year)...BUT

the E55 is 348 HP and 200-300 lbs heavier and does 4.8-5.0 (mags, but per MB a 5.1 iirc). the power to wt ratio on these cars don't make any sense, and the tranny situation. But after talking with Brabus about this, they say that it is b/c the CLK has more trouble getting the power to the ground b/c it is lighter. That may be true, but why??? there are a lot of other cars that are lighter with more power that don't go slower b/c of it. It doesn't always add up

certainly if the Z does a 5.2, that would be good, I just hope it is under 5.4, but a 5.0 or 4.9 would be awesome!!!

e55 is 349 NOT 348 like I wrote, sorry to throw anyone off.

cool,

I use mag #'s when I acn, but the whole problem with building a comparitive ratio based on maq# is there are none for the Z. to be fair, u have to use factory numbers. It sucks but you can't make good estimates using mag #'s on production vehicles and the ration with pre production numbers from the factory.

Now, if I went out on a limb here. I belive, providing the 6m is close amd the weight distribution stays like advertized with the 18in volk rims at 245 WR. We should see an even 5.0 sec o-60.... that meets the expectations of this being faster that the 1996 300ZXTT.... but if they push the bhp...like i'm hoping they will closer to 290 we should start dropping below 4.9......... and if PW 350Z BABY is right about 315, then we are in for a true world class sports car.

Originally posted by wizeline
cool,

I use mag #'s when I acn, but the whole problem with building a comparitive ratio based on maq# is there are none for the Z. to be fair, u have to use factory numbers. It sucks but you can't make good estimates using mag #'s on production vehicles and the ration with pre production numbers from the factory.

Now, if I went out on a limb here. I belive, providing the 6m is close amd the weight distribution stays like advertized with the 18in volk rims at 245 WR. We should see an even 5.0 sec o-60.... that meets the expectations of this being faster that the 1996 300ZXTT.... but if they push the bhp...like i'm hoping they will closer to 290 we should start dropping below 4.9......... and if PW 350Z BABY is right about 315, then we are in for a true world class sports car.

I doubt that at 280hp, it would be able to do flat 5, like you said. Maybe there's a chance of flat 5 at 300hp, but that's still a little doubtful. At 315, yeah, chances are good for flat 5 or high 4's. Hopefully I'm right about the 315 too. But hey, I reported what my lady friend told me, but chances are good.

Like I said, those numbers are not based on fact..... that's the whole reason I said I was going on a limb by saying 5.0 0-60! I am hoping for an amazing 6m tranny, high pressure clutch, and an LSD simmilar to the Silva....... if so.... 280 could feel much more like 300!!!

But, for the moment I stand by my 5.4 0-60 times until I have new data.

:devil:

If the 350z will have 315 hp should kill an nsx. more hp and way more torque and about the same weight=smoke the nsx.

Anybody know the gear ratios for the Z? I've been trying to calculate a realistic 0-60 and 1/4 mile ET at 280, 300, and 315 hp, but I need accurate gear ratios. If nobody knows the Z's, then what about the 2002 Maxima? The SE has a 6-speed, and it has essentially the same engine, so the transmissions should be similar. Using a Z32 gearbox, I came up with a 0-60 of 5.6 and a 1/4 mile ET of 14 flat. Not too shabby. The 0-60 is kinda slow, and certainly due to lack of info. I'm having some trouble producing a good torque curve with these tentative specs. I'm just not comfortable with it yet. Plus I need the right gears! 6th isn't really important, except for calculating top speed. When I get some more solid info, then I'll venture some more serious numbers.

use the numbers from the R34 GTR... 6 speed with triple sync.... should be very similar. I'll post those spec tomorrow.

hmmmmmm as much as i love nissan. but in cornering speed and in aceleration, the evo 7 should beat it. it would be a good race though. but the top end of hte 350Z should easily beat own the evo 7's.

I don't see the Evo 7 making it to our shores, but I'll be the first in line for a test drive if it does.

So, use the R34's gearbox? Not a bad idea. The result:

0-60 in 5.2 - with my questionable torque curve, the real thing may pleasantly surprise me.

1/4 mile in 13.9 @ 103mph - Not bad for a bone stock NA V6.

Top speed of 170 - speculation is that the coefficient of drag will be less than .26, so I went with .26 even.

With a good-sized turbo, this car will waste anything in high-end performance. That is, unless Nissan does something stupid. Like make 6th gear really deep. That's what they did with the new SE-R.

However, I wouldn't be shocked if the 350Z actually performed better...

5.2 sounds about right... My estimates are in a verydetailed equasion, but I have a range between 5.2 and 5.4 I think we are right on the money with the best guestimates possible at this time. I have been speaking with NISMO and Steve Millen latelty and found out some changes have just been made in the past few days... I'll post the details when I have them.

All the speculation and quotes from the Nissan people have said around 2240-260.

315 HP would be really nice, especially since they're not planning a twin-turbo version, which I think is a HUGE mistake on Nissan's part.

Grow some balls back, quit worrying about the price and make a kick ass car.

-Nazz

First of all. I preordered the new Z already and the sheet says 280hp + so the 240 to 260 numbers you quoted are from the origional test with Road and Track..... the Altima makes 255 now!!! why would the Z make 240.

Anyway, like I said before, my inside contact tells me the number is close to 290, PW_350Z_BABY has info that says it's 315.

In any case it will be a badass car and fun to drive.

Also I spoke with my guy at Stillen again today and they said the pre production car they are getting for testing has been delayed because Nissan is making a major change in the engine compartment! I have no idea what it is yet, but I'll post when I know.
:silly2:

wize, you can't leave us hanging like that!!

Wizeline wrote:
"Also I spoke with my guy at Stillen again today and they said the pre production car they are getting for testing has been delayed because Nissan is making a major change in the engine compartment! I have no idea what it is yet, but I'll post when I know"

So Wizeline, what do you think? Are they making room for aftermarket forced induction, getting rid of those things on the exhaust manifolds that look like pre-cats, or doing something else?

Alright Wizeline, It's a new day and we need some new info!! That last post is killing me!! What are they changing?? Will it get horsepower over 300?? Well thanks for the info so far and let us know when you get anything new. I live in Miami, and I'm gonna see the car on friday at the Ft. Lauderdale show.

WOW:eek:

Looks like my last post made some waves..... I didn't mean to leave ya hanging, but I also don't want to feed a line of bull that I don't know about.

To date Stillen has been told by Nissan that "the pre-production test vehicles will be delivered at least 30 dasy late due to a major change in the engine compartment."

Now, forced induction "WILL NOT" happen on this model of the 350Z from the factory. Aftermarket kits are going to be difficult and with the tuff emissions policies we may not be able to make a 50 state or CARB twin turbo. My prototype will be twin turbo, but Stillen an I are talking about a supercharged version also. The VQ30 has be done and nicely... but we are simply talking at the moment.... noting firm! Don't get too excited yet.

Now one last tid bit...... I am being told the GT-R will be released in the US next year. TheGT-R will be on the 350Z chasis but 4wd and turbo... maybe. But, it sounds sinciable since the GTR and Z were once the same car..... the Mid4 was a prototype Z car with AWD.... the chasis later turned into the 300ZX but the 4wd went to the skyline..

Anyway, that's my scoop... i'm trying not to bugg my contacts too much for fear they will not talk to me anymore so... please give me a few days to find out about the 350Z engine changes.

WiZeLiNe

Originally posted by nazzdeq
All the speculation and quotes from the Nissan people have said around 2240-260.

315 HP would be really nice, especially since they're not planning a twin-turbo version, which I think is a HUGE mistake on Nissan's part.

Grow some balls back, quit worrying about the price and make a kick ass car.

-Nazz

Dude, you can't be more wrong. If you were here, I'd make a money-bet with ya. 240-260 is ridiculously wrong. We'll wait and see, won't we?

I second that PW_350Z if the Z was 240 hp they would actualy have to take 20hp away from the current engine!!!!!!

280 will be bare min for this car. The preorder contract I has states so!

I do expect cloer to 300 but we'll see.

:silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2:

As much as I'd love to see the 350Z push 315 NA hp under the hood, somehow it seems to be too much of a stretch to be true. Think about it... from 280, something around 290-300 is pretty reasonable, but 315 is 35 more hp! Hate to be the master of the obvious, but that's a lot. Of course arguing this is something of a moot point since no one here knows the exact figures for the car as of now, but it just seems like the rumored 315 hp is too high from their target baseline of 280.

Realistically, I don't think it's going to top 300. Remember, Nissan has several different goals with this thing:

Make it better than the competition

Make it cheaper than the competition

Make it less than perfect so Nismo can make some money

Make it slightly fuel efficient - for the 20% who buy the Z for "aesthetics"

315 with an aftermarket exhaust and a K&N air filter... sure. But stock? I'm not putting any money on it, but my official wild guess is 300 horses.

AN OFICIAL GUESS I've never seen one of those before.... Let me make one too!!!

293hp is my guess.. I got $20 on it

Anyone else?

Your assumption from a lady executive from Nissan is a joke. The h.p. numbers have been published for months. The real h.p. for the 350Z is 280 per the brochure I have. There is no way they could attain 315 h.p. being the same basic 3.5 liter Maxima/Altima motor. You stupid guys believe anything.:flipa:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif yours.

Okay, sportwood, let's think about what you just said.

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An assumption by a lady executive... don't you think that an executive would have a better idea of what's going on than just an assumption? And I don't think the executive's gender has any bearing on it, either.

Yes, the numbers have been published for months. Just like the Sentra SE-R's numbers. Oh wait, they just changed them out of the blue. And they're still not accurate. Oh well.

I don't think it's very likely that we'll see 315 hp, but is it impossible? Not at all. All Nissan would have to do is change the cams and reprogram the ECU. There are a multitude of changes that could result in increased horsepower. The 280 rating could simply be to stay within the Japanese horsepower law, and they could just change the official rating for the U.S. market to whatever it really puts out. There's really no telling until somebody gets to drive one to a dyno and find out for themself.

I don't think that they (or we... you talkin' to me?) are the stupid ones here. I would say that someone who starts telling people off with their first post is a little on the dumb side (or at least pretentious as hell). I don't think that you should run your mouth like that when your intelligence is completely unproven. It's not a requirement that you be smart here on AF, but if you're going to be a smart ass, don't forget the smart part. And it is a requirement that you at least pretend to be civil. Got it?
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Anybody else's troll radar going off?

How old are you Holyterror_not? The statement that you talked to a Nissan executive is right out of kid league. Wow.....did you impress your friends with that? Well, your statement still is wrong! Your second statement (rebuttal) to mine was it could go 315 h.p. The idea is shit for brains that the h.p. numbers are what they are. They didn't make it 315 with additional cams etc so it will be competitive in the marketplace. 315 is too expensive. Funny thing is, you can't afford to buy one anyway. Just another wannabe out there that thinks they have the upperhand when in fact they have a dumbass bud that tells them lies about numbers that anybody knows. Forums are to voice thoughts, suggestions and input. Your input is not VALID or NEEDED. Why? Because we need the facts Jack not stupid maybe's and wannebes.
Go back to mommy now shes calling....

Originally posted by spicewood
How old are you Holyterror_not? The statement that you talked to a Nissan executive is right out of kid league. Wow.....did you impress your friends with that? Well, your statement still is wrong! Your second statement (rebuttal) to mine was it could go 315 h.p. The idea is shit for brains that the h.p. numbers are what they are. They didn't make it 315 with additional cams etc so it will be competitive in the marketplace. 315 is too expensive. Funny thing is, you can't afford to buy one anyway. Just another wannabe out there that thinks they have the upperhand when in fact they have a dumbass bud that tells them lies about numbers that anybody knows. Forums are to voice thoughts, suggestions and input. Your input is not VALID or NEEDED. Why? Because we need the facts Jack not stupid maybe's and wannebes.
Go back to mommy now shes calling....

Shut up, you pee-brain piece of sshhit!!! Nobody wants your crap here. Get the hell out! Nissan has always been marketing the Z to have 280+...that PLUS SIGN is very crutial. That means it'll have MORE than 280hp, probably 290-300 or even more, who knows. Either buy one or shut up. I've already ordered one, so I have the right to say whatever sshhit I can. You can't cuz you're not a potential owner. Yeah, we're all stupid in here, but hey, at least we can afford it and we'll all be owners. Get your ass out of this forum!!!

By the way, it's very easy to tweak another 40-50 hp out of a 3.5 V-6 VQ engine from the Maxima or Altima or Infinity G35. So shut the hell up, Spicewood!!! Go buy a Geo Metro or something.:flipa:

300 horsepower
0-60 5.2.sec
courtesy of jmanz

mark my words

For all you people that think the car is going to have 315 hp...do you know anything about marketing?
There is no way that is going to happen. They have been saying all along that the car is going to have 280+ hp, yes not 290+ or 300+.
For those of you that don't realize it Nissan is in the business of selling cars. They have already set the price of the car and had numerous orders so do you think they are going to throw in all that extra money in design and new parts just to give you 315 hp.
No way, if they thought they could come close to 300hp they would have said it from the start to get everyone's attention.
The cars hp will not go above 290 it may be 280+ but more like 285 not 315.

I love to know the numbers as much as the next guy but when you are on the line next to some domestic "Notrod" POS and the light turns green I don't think holding up a sign that says "300HP Buddy" (or 315 or whatever) is going to cut it.
Whats really going to count? Seconds.
So lets drag it out.
I request of those of you that have placed pre orders to try to get your Z's down to your local track to run out a 1/4 mi. None of us trust the factory stats and Mags are questionable too. Lets produce an average between us and see what we get.

By the way according to a notice that I got from Nissan I may have to wait untill October for a Z to be "built to my specifications." Did anyone else get that note?

Good show, igor or NissanZ, whoever removed that idiot's last post. I have to try very hard not to sink to the level of trolls...

Originally posted by LeMansSunset
I love to know the numbers as much as the next guy but when you are on the line next to some domestic "Notrod" POS and the light turns green I don't think holding up a sign that says "300HP Buddy" (or 315 or whatever) is going to cut it.
Really? Every time I see a Camaro stomp an Integra, the Honda guy holds up a sign that says, "109 HP PER LITER, BUDDY!" I'll bet the Camaro guy was really ashamed...:smoker2:

The 350Z will be hitting the showroom floors in just a few months. I suspect that Nissan will be putting 1/4 mile ETs on every TV in the continental U.S. They really seemed to enjoy telling people that the '02 Altima was faster than a Porsche Boxster, so I doubt that they're going to let the Z's good numbers go to waste.

BTW, the VQ25DET officially makes 280 bhp. Can the VQ35 exceed that without help from a turbocharger? Anybody know how big that turbo is? That might answer our question.

Actually, I think that was 280 ps, which would be 276 horsepower at the flywheel. Stupid metric system. :rolleyes:

5.2 i know it is

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Holyterror


Really? Every time I see a Camaro stomp an Integra, the Honda guy holds up a sign that says, "109 HP PER LITER, BUDDY!" I'll bet the Camaro guy was really ashamed...:smoker2:

I am confused. Who stomped who?
Do you think the figures that Nissan puts out will be accurate?:confused:

off topic-

I just reached auto nirvana, I just drove my buddys Ferarri 360 Modena with F1 shifting!!!! WOW, now nothing I get will be satisfying enough!!

I have driven such cars as a
NSX
MB clk55 & E55
M3
M roadster
Porsche 993
s2000
400 hp 300zx tt
camaro SS
amoung others..

Nothing even comes close. The driving position was closest to the NSX (surprise?). the ride comfort (or lack of and travel) reminded me of the S2000 (both the 360 and s2000 are very light and agile, they feel similar, but the sitting position is much diffferent, and the 360 is way faster). The car flat out flys!! It is load, and very "raw", no power seats, seat heaters, etc, etc....this is not for your average Lexus owner. I guess the most similar car it feels like is the NSX (both are light and have similar seating positions and are EASY to drive, I would imagine with an after market exhaust on the NSX and with less noise isolation for the NSX motor, it would be even more similar). The car is supposed to sell for close to 190K with the F1 shifting, if you can even find one (I always felt that since the NSX has gone over 75K, it was a "rip off", but now I really don't think so as much for a mid engine semi exotic car, it is a pretty good deal, I know that all of the 300 TT fans will get all over me about this and I will agree that the 400 hp 300zx my dad use to own was faster than his NSX, I still prefer the feel and light wt of the NSX). Hopefully the new 350 will do a low 5 to 60, or I might be looking into a used NSX instead.

Originally posted by Zcarfan
off topic-

I just reached auto nirvana, I just drove my buddys Ferarri 360 Modena with F1 shifting!!!! WOW, now nothing I get will be satisfying enough!!

I have driven such cars as a
NSX
MB clk55 & E55
M3
M roadster
Porsche 993
s2000
400 hp 300zx tt
camaro SS
amoung others..



Yeah, the 360 Modena is sweet, but for $190K, it should fly too.
One car I think you haven't driven is Skyline GTR-34; I have...Just saying cuz it's so rare over here.

while the skyline use to compete with the best world had to offfer, it is no longer such a car. Not that it is a bad car (actually I like it), but it no longer competes with the Ferarri's, lambo's etc... I think the Skyline maxed out a bit, while the other companies kept developing. Personally, I think the M3 took over where that car left off (333 hp and 343 in europe-WOW!!!)

For the price of those Ferrari's and Lambourghini's, you could have yourself a Nismo 400R or that lowly Skyline with a sequential transmission and 1000 horsepower at all four wheels. No longer competes, you say? No, for the guy who wants maximum visibility, nothing put out by Nissan is going to do it. But I'd say that guy needs a therapist because buying a car for the sole purpose of attracting attention is just sad. I make it a point to ignore all the Viper drivers around here, as they sit at green lights and telepathically say, "Look at me, I'm so cool." No, a hyper-tuned GT-R is not a g-ride (a high-G ride, maybe). But how many of the afforementioned cars have ATTESA, HICAS, a bulletproof Getrag, and - geez, this is all you really need - the RB26DETT?

No, I was saying that I had driven my friend's '00 Skyline GTR34. That's all. I really don't care about Skylines, Ferraris, or any other cars that I currently can't afford. But who knows, maybe in a couple of years, I'll be able to afford the next gen NSX, if it'll look better and have much more power...rumored to be a V-8 with at least 400hp. If that'll be true, I may be able to afford one.

To the message right above: not to be rude, but I personally don't understand much of what you're saying...something about hyper-tuned G-ride or whatever. But that's all good. I don't really care though.:D

350z touring: I will reply with this message to all. If you send a message that someone doesn't like report it to the moderator and then they take it off so nobody can read the real truth. We are reviewing this forum for an editorial sent by our client regarding 350Z touring. All of us here have agreed to the legal disclaimer............we shall pursue legal channels against those that such as Touring 350Z for badgering individuals via email. I have found this forum via an individual that displayed his opinion which is what a forum is for. Most do not know what they are talking about evident of incorrect, inconcise and inconsistent data.

Beware: legal channels via the internet assume federal law not state or local jurisdiction. When you threaten with viruses, or other means since you put them in writing will be held against you in federal court.

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Speaking of inconcise, could you rephrase, I don't know, that whole paragraph? I'm a little confused. I get the idea that Touring_350Z (that is the correct name) may have sent a nasty note to the originator of some rather annoying posts. I just ignored him after deciding he was a troll, but I can understand some people being less patient. Whatever the problem is, however, this is not the place to discuss it. The rest of us have nothing to do with it. I personally have not witnessed any abuse of the forums (other than that by "spicewood"), so this matter has nothing to do with AF.

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The moderators deleted your post, and you're not fooling anyone, so get over it. Go troll somewhere else! :angryfire

Disclaimer: the author realises he is just asking for it, but trolls really piss him off.

Hey, what did I do? I just rudely replied to Spicewood's offensive posts to all members. Holyterror is right, Spicewood is a troll, and I didn't have much patience.
Yes, I did send Spicewood some emails...hehe...some may or may not have viruses to crash his hard drive. But now that Spicewood is gone, I'm back to being peaceful to all of ya. Peace out!!

WAIT A MINUTE!!! Joe Blow is Spicewood. Spicewood replied to my email with the email's header being Joe Blow, and his email is: smartypants0@eudoramail.com.
Go away, Joe Blow, or Spicewood, or little troll.

Anyway, back on topic...

I didn't have time to read the posts, but here is my $.02 anyway..

315hp would be great, considering the TT 300ZX has 300. And the new one should be lighter, as the 300ZX was kinda overweight (probably its biggest problem)

And magazines get faster times because they do not power/speed shift, they merely "shift gears as fast as possible without causing damage" So there would be room for improvement in any result. But it is still a good guidestick.

I am just really glad that the Z was developed before the G35, so the platform is still devoted mainly to sport, not touring.

I am mad because at the Toronto Auto Show, 2 years in a row the Z wasn't going to arrive until the day AFTER I was there:(

HOly, I only compare stock to stock so a 1000 hp Skyline is another issue. I agree with you on the Viper issue, the viper is a bucket of bolts that happens to have a V10 truck motor in it that makes it fast that is all, I conscioulsy make an effort to not even turn my head when they drive by, I DON'T want to look like a 12 year old. But Ferarris and Porsches are completely different bread and a true joy and very impressive to drive, I respect those much much more. I don't beleive that guys that drive a 360 are all about "look at me", if you have driven one you know know what I mean, it is sad that someone can truely be an auto enthusiest and happen to have a lot of $$$ and want a ferarri and some people think (even car guys) that it is all about image (please don't classify a ferarri owner and a Viper owner in the same catagory). btw, that is how Porshes are becoming more and more, the chrome wheels, the Targa top, the cabrios, it isn't the same passion anymore. I remember in the early 90s and before, the COUPE was the thing to have, the beautiful C pillar is what makes a 911 a 911. And another reason why something like over 80% of Vette owners drive automatics, it is all about "look" and no longer the true driving experience-SAD.

Touring, to say you "don't care" about Ferarris and other cars you can't afford? what ever happened to dreaming, and the motivation to succeed financially so you can afford the material things you want? That reminds me of some people that don't understand my passion for cars, they say "it's just a car, it just gets you from point a to point b"- or "who cars how much HP or how fast a car is, you can't go over the speed limit anyways":rolleyes: :rolleyes: -WHATEVER

btw, the next gen NSX is still way up in the air as far as spec. the first rumor was a sub $100K supercar with a small V8 and about 400 hp, then people were saying about $50K to compete with the Vette and NO aluminum panels and slightly more stripped down (obviously) to make it more affordable, then the latest I heard is that they still haven't ruled out the continueing development of the ultra exotic 6 cylinder.

will I ever own a 360? probably not, but you never know, but it really isn't any fun to talk to "car enthusiests" and mention that you drove a Kia last night.

Besides, it is FLAT OUT FUN!!!!! you know, kind of like Disneyland, or magic mountain, you may never own those parks, but you still use them for entertainment.:eek: :eek:

Chris, I agree with you, wieght should be a huge concern. Too bad it isn't going to be lighter. If a Vette and Viper wiegh around 3200-3300 lbs, and the 911 about 3100 (iirc) and the NSX 3200, s2000 2700 lbs, there is no reason the new Z should be over 3000, I was hoping for about 2900 (that would be sweet, oh well) on the other end, BMW has offered some very heavy cars lately with somewhat small displacements (for the power they put out) and tehy still seem to be super fast (M5 over 4000 lbs a 4.4 L and 400 hp, and the M3 about 3500 lbs (iirc) and a 3.6 L with 333 hp-those guys are AMAZING!!

I am glad BMW has realized this though. The new Z5 concept will see production, and the emphasis will be on light weight, an excellent change, IMO.

Zcarfan, the M3 has a 3.2 L inline 6 not a 3.6 L.

Iran, My bad, I was talking about the M3 but brought up the displacement of the new 911

I hope you're right about the 315, but I'd be happy with 280. I just managed to get myself on the pre-order list -- one of eight this dealer had here in Indy.

Any news on timing?

315hp is most definitley incorrect. It will be 290hp. Trust me. I'm on the inside.

Great! 290 will do just fine...

I had a '97 Cobra with 305 HP at 3391 lbs -- or 11.1 lbs/1 horsepower. The 350Z at 3150 lbs with 290 HP actually comes out a bit better at 10.8 lbs/1 horsepower.

Are you sure that is is 315hp? I was interested in buying one and the guy I talked to said that it was only 295HP. But hey I am very happy with the 315hp don't get me wrong. Now lets see if they throw some Turbo in this beast. Does anyone know the rear wheel hp? Thanks:devil:

HP confirmed at 287 from Nissan (I received a pretty cool marketing thing in the mail) 274 ft. lbs of torque. 287 normally aspirated horses in a 3200 lb car is going to be fine.

From the August Car and Driver.

0-60 in 5.4 sec
1/4 mile in 14.1 sec @101mph
skidpad is .88g
weight is over 3300 lbs

Go to http://www.ragusa.cc/public and copy the 350Z CD.zip

This is what I got in the mail (and what I believe Yama1yzf also received).

Still not bad for a NA car, but not 315hp and this is straight from a Nissan promo CD. So if it changes at least I have a collectors item.:devil:

I received a package from Nissan this week that includes a cool CD and cards with all the final production specs for the 350Z. Sorry to burst everyones bubble, but the HP is officially 287. :(

Originally posted by AznAlby
315 hp in the new Z? That would seriously kick some @$$. Thank God it's unblown too. If this is true, there won't be any other cars that I know of which will even count as competition to the Z in its price range.

Well, maybe not after GM discontinues the Z28/Firebird next year, anyhow.

yeah, in the new car and driver, they tested the track version saying that it had 287 hp and went 0-60 in 5.4 sec

yep, just got Autoweek, they have 287HP and 274 lbs-ft of torque and wt is about 3250 with a slight edge in power to wt ratio than the boxster s (not too shabby, but 300 hp would have been nice)

As I've said many times before, every Nissan engine deserves a turbocharger. They always respond very well to boost. The 300ZXTT pulled 300 hp out of a 3 liter V6. The savvy 350Z owner has a 3.5 liter V6, and the ability to buy a ball-bearing turbo that is vastly superior to what was available 10 years ago. I don't think I have to tell you what the obvious conclusion is. Porsches are rarely modified, so I don't think we have anything to worry about...

You all are forgetting the cheapest contenders...the GM F-Bodies. I have a 98 Z28 that dynoed 286 rwhp and 313 lb-ft torque bone stock. My 0-60 ranges from 4.78 to 5.16 depending on engine temp (1/4 in 12.89 @ 104 mph). So why am I on a 300zx website? I want better handling and gas mileage and the 300z's are where it's at. I personally like the styling of a 300z over the 350z, but it is nonetheless beautiful. If it's really giving 315hp I'll be the first guy on the lot when they arrive, but I seriously doubt it. 280...easy, 300...maybe, 315? not unless nissan annexed italy.

sorry guys the 350Z will only pack 287 HP. Nissan just mailed me the final specs at that's what it has. That's cool with me. I still pre ordered mine!!! Dan

bah...estimated 280hp N/A engine is fucking powerful, just think of the possibilities if you add a bolt on turbo. With its 3.5 liter displacement, you can exceed boosts far beyond any 2.6 liter skyline engine.

But the Skyline v35 has the vq35de engine also, you think nissan or Nismo, or maybe even Stillin might tweak it alittle in the future..Highly possible. I wonder how well the New GT-R vs 350Z will rack up on performance. Only time will tell...muwhahahah!!! **coughs**

I absolutely agree with your first sentence...

But something goes terribly wrong in the second. The idea that the VQ35DE(T) will outperform the RB26DETT is very, very wrong. In terms of displacement, the VQ has more. That's it. The RB26DETT is a vastly superior design. Even as the engines humbly begin life as a single chunk of metal, the RB26 is simply a better motor. Compare a thick, sand cast iron block (RB), to a thin, die-cast aluminum one (VQ).

The RB26 is easily tuned in excess of 1000 bhp. The RBX-GT2 (a strengthened RB26) hits 10,000 RPM without a hitch. It's a nearly perfect motor, the modern equivalent of the 426 Hemi.

The VQ (and its QR and VZ brethren) are more "evolved" designs. In other words, they look just like Toyota or Honda motors (except the crankshafts still turn the right direction). The VQ35 will never replace the RB26. Renault went for it because they're already tooled to make several billion of them (notice almost all Nissans carry them now?), so they're cheap to make and they do the job. Plus there were some emissions issues, but if MotoRex was able to fix it, so could they. It's the same deal as when the SR20DET replaced the CA18DET. Not better, just cheaper.

I suspect that the first mod done to the R35 GT-R will be an RB26 engine swap. :smoker2:

hmm..i see where your going with this..i have to say that i agree with you...the rb26dett engine..looks to be far more durable. Yet we still have yet to see the full capabilities of the vq30de(t)..if the model ever comes to exsistance..

I am actually quite glad that they 287hp. In the recent past, Nissan has been a little *optimistic* as to their power claims. This one seems like it could be legit.

Hi. I work at a car dealership in southern california and we just got a touring z. HP is 287. Ill let you guys know when we get more and if the HP is different for the other trims. Peace.

People, people you want more horses, just turbocharge the car !

the other engine maybe stronger BUT it is not b/c of the material, Al when done properly (the right alloys that are mixed in and heat treated) is far stronger (pound for pound) than Iron, all racing engines are made with Al b/c of the wt advantage, the stiffness and strength. Sure it is more brittle, but the strength is far greater that it will hardly ever exerience failure (unless you add 30# of boost of course, for something that isn't designed for it). In reality the cost of Al over iron is 3-10+ as much, depending on the grade of each material. also, Al when done right is even as strong or stronger than Ti (titanium). I am sure that the other motor is stronger by design, but it is NOT the material that is making it stronger.

I agree with you, also the cylinder bore has a metal sleeve, which reinforce the engine block. This can be replace so maybe some one can make some out of Titanium, like they do for Honda engines. But , expensive.

I thought the hondas used a nickel and ceramic combo??

I don't know the exact metal composition of the metal sleeves for a Honda engine, all i said was that you can have them made out of Ti. This could be apply to the VQ35 engine, if more strenght is needed.:)