can any one of you gimme some word on quick sleepers that put out fast 0-60s and 1/4 without the look or suspicion that it might be fast as hell? lemme know..thanks

no flameing please... this is about the 3rd time ive seen this exact subject posted by you. Sonic...look at the Stickey "what car to buy"

i posted twice ..once in racing.. once in cars we drive.. im just lookin for some help

Ford Contour SE? 3.0 taurus bottom end, SVT 2.5 top.. Turbo = 13 sec et's.. about 2-3k in mods.

Hell even on Contour.org guys have N/A Contour SVT's in the 13's.

mid 90s Saturn with turbo kit.


A buddy of mine and I were driving one night in his S70 Volvo turbo coupe (nice car btw). And we heard a turbo spooling up and coming up quick. Then the flutter of a blowoff valve. We look over to see this mid 90s Saturn Sedan fly past us. And then he proceeded to haul ass past us and pick his way through traffic.

We both were like :sly: "noooo... did you hear?... did it have what we think we heard?... damn... that was cool."

GTP

Used BMW E36 ///M3-15k or theres abouts
AA Stage 1 Turbo setup-8k
Any exhaust and engine parts you want from any of the several reliable brands out there-depends, but reasonably (chip, intake, exhaust)-Just over 1k.

You'll then have a mad fast car, and to be honest, as good as they are, no expects that, compared to some of the newer cras out there, an E36 ('95) ///M3 to be hella fast. With those mods, you'll turn a nice 1/4, and even better, youll turn heads and smoke shit on the street.

Mitsubishi Galant VR4... rare, nobody expects it.

80s Chevy Malibu Two Door Coupe w/ heavily built smallblock and truck mufflers. Fast and Quiet.

84-89 Nissan 300zx Turbo, nobody expects them to be fast anymore.

84-86 Nissan 200sx Turbo has CA18ET, could be swapped for a CA18DET or a SR20DET easily. Or use the existing motor. Neat little cars.

my neighbor has one of those VR4's those things are ugly, but he's got it set at 20lbs of boost right now, when he gets a job, i'm hoping he'll invest in a 16g

on a side note, the Eclipse GSX from 1990 is a crappy looking car on the outside,
big 16g (500)
FMIC (1000)
Intake (150)
Exhaust (250)
HKS 272 (?? i forgot i think 300)
SAFC II (350)
Pocket logger (200)
Intercooler sprayer (200)
Evo 3 Manifold (300)...

i believe thats all you need, and your running 12's...AWD rocks
you just spent under 5k dollars, did all the work yourself and your running 12's and that includes the car...a good one, they retail for 1900 w/ 115k miles on kbb.com

they retail for 1900 w/ 115k miles on kbb.com


Yeah, thats what Kelly Blue Book says.


But good luck finding a GSX or TSi for $1900. People who know the car, won't sell them cheap. It's not impossible, but hella hard to find them in the $2000 range.

I always remembered them being in the $2500-3500 range for a decent condition example.

thanks everyone.. thats alot of help.. im interested in alot of these things and ill continue researching them..keep the suggestions coming!

Omni GLHS, not many people look at an Omni without laughing.

Vr4s, gsx's and m3 are not sleepers.


My old taurus would do 145+, quiet the sleeper.

Early 90's Sentra SE-R w/bolt ons.
Datsun 510 w/sr20
Mirage w/4g63t
Mid 90's Corolla Sedan w/3sgte
88-91 Civic Station Wagon w/h22 or k20

88-92 probe gt.. hehe 2.2l turbo.. intake/exhasut, more boost and fuel adn a mid 14's car..
and no one will ever suspect it
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Why dont we talk about STOCK sleepers. With mods ANY car in the world can be a super sleeper. When you talk about sleepers and then through mods into the mix, doesnt make much sense to me.

Vr4s are not sleepers.


My old taurus would do 145+, quiet the sleeper.


You're thinking of the 3000GT Twin Turbo VR4.


Galant VR4s are sleepers. Nobody knows about them.

I know plenty of cars that are "sleepers". Too bad most of them never wake up. :biggrin:

Ha!

how about Redneck's old Datsun Z? lol...pull up next to a Mustang GT and tap the gas... the mustang man is thinking "WTF? this 32 year old carburated i-6 is going to chalenge me?" and then the light turns green and all he hears is turbo fule injected exaust...
he tells us of such pleasures alot...lol like the Z28 right about the time "allthrottlenobottle" came around screaming an BS because nothing can beat an ls1...right?

i know the ultimate sleeper. but its not a sleeper in the sence you think of...

how about a Honda Civic, Body Kit, Double Stack Spoiler, Graphics, Colored wipers, Fart Can exaust Type-R and V-Tec plasteres all over it....
but then actually get some power under the hood... this will eliminate wasteing your gas on other hondas Riced out to near your cars riceness and then you can spank all of the Big Ego'd V8 guys.
talk about a shocker, a Civic That is riced and actually goes.... no one would expect it...

1987 Grand Natonal. Ultimate Sleeper. Also the 1989 Turbo Trans Am. Everyone thinks they are just another GTA.

Why dont we talk about STOCK sleepers. With mods ANY car in the world can be a super sleeper. When you talk about sleepers and then through mods into the mix, doesnt make much sense to me.


uhh you fail to relialize the point of a sleeper. If the car comes stock fast, everyone is gonna know its fast. Atleast anyone with half a brain. A sleeper is a sleeper cause its not very fast stock, but you put a bunch into mods, and you have a really fast car. . .err

anyways do what i did.

2001 Cavalier Z24- 8,000
Gm Supercharger - 2,000
Direct Port N02- 700

total, 10,700 and you will have a 13 second car that will beat most v8s on the road.

how about a Honda Civic, Body Kit, Double Stack Spoiler, Graphics, Colored wipers, Fart Can exaust Type-R and V-Tec plasteres all over it....
but then actually get some power under the hood... this will eliminate wasteing your gas on other hondas Riced out to near your cars riceness and then you can spank all of the Big Ego'd V8 guys.
talk about a shocker, a Civic That is riced and actually goes.... no one would expect it...

I thought I was the only one who thought that...

CBFryman....that idea is amazing. The only civic that has beaten me so far, whooped my ass into the ground by at least a buslength, and it looked TOTALLY stock. Riced out civics usually have stock internals. Hell, pretty much every riced out car I've seen is damn near stock. Good idea.

one word yugo

Bonneville SSEI
1988 Mazda 323 GT (getting one soon! :D)

Wow, a riced out civic that actually had something under the hood besides an intake and a 10" muffler. I think that is what the fast and the furious was trying to pitch, only most kids just get the looks part down. I wouldn't mind seeing this trend get started. But what would we be able to make fun of if they're fast? Probably never happen, though. Autozone doesn't sell many "performance" parts for ricers. :biggrin:

hey slowprocess before you think autozone doesnt sell performance parts you better look again!

I have seen graphics at autozone, 2 on each side is an easy 40+hp
if you get windshield decals thats another 30+hp

so at autozone you can take a 120hp civic, get an intake, muffler, huge wing, and stickers. That should put you well over350hp!

uhh you fail to relialize the point of a sleeper. If the car comes stock fast, everyone is gonna know its fast. Atleast anyone with half a brain. A sleeper is a sleeper cause its not very fast stock, but you put a bunch into mods, and you have a really fast car.


so from what your saying...

a civic is a sleeper?


how about this definition..

a fast car that does not look fast stock.

my car, is a j30t sedan... it's got 210 hp and weighs like 3000 pounds.. it's a fast car, when pulled up next to a stang... they think "oh no challenge" then they see me in my auto pass them.... and they can't catch up... they go "well damn"

a car that is fast stock and looks slow. These are the cars that i want to have.

my car, is a j30t sedan... it's got 210 hp and weighs like 3000 pounds.. it's a fast car, when pulled up next to a stang... they think "oh no challenge" then they see me in my auto pass them.... and they can't catch up... they go "well damn"

Umm, your car runs what, 16's? I wouldn't exactly say it would "beat" a mustang..

I would think any 4 door would be a good sleeper.

Ford Contour (Either manual Zetec or manual Duratec, There are fast 4 banger contours, a few in the 13's)
Ford Taurus (now who would expect a Taurus to be fast?)
Pontiac Bonneville (big ass cars, but they can move right along)
Chevy Impala SS (another big car, But they can also move)
Subaru Legacy L (WRX motor swap, turbo= very fast)

Theres more but thats all I can think of.

Subaru Forester XT 2.5 - Exact same motor as the STi, just with a smaller turbo. Swap in STi turbo, and you're set.

what about a subaru svx? they come v6 twin turbo awd. look fast but i'm sure not a lot of people know their true power.
Al

what about a subaru svx? they come v6 twin turbo awd. look fast but i'm sure not a lot of people know their true power.
AlSVX are not twin turbo, 3.3 liter N/A Boxer.

89-95 Thunderbird super coupe, 89-90 Mercury Cougar XR7, mid to early 90s Olds Cutlas(sp) supreme 3.4 DOHC. Those are three cars that could be made sleepers very easly, but the Olds would be better if you get a four door instead of the two door. The Thunderbird should have the super coupe filled in on the rear bumper and the Cougar should have the supercharged filled in on the front fender trim, other then that not many people would expect those three cars. Performance parts are pretty easy to come by on the Tbird and Cougar but I'm not sure about any mods for the Olds.

a v6 mustang i can.. and i have before

Quick stock cars that don't look it? Hmm... Audi S4, put a normal set of audi rims and take the S4 logos off and it just looks like an A4. Taurus SHO, remove the sho badging.

oh yah.. and also... kiddo...

it runs a 15 1/4 mile... not a 16...

boo and yah

oh yah.. and also... kiddo...

it runs a 15 1/4 mile... not a 16...

boo and yah

1) 15 seconds is still slow.
2) A stock(or anywhere close to it) V6 mustang is absolutely nothing to brag about. They're slow.

oh yah.. and also... kiddo...

it runs a 15 1/4 mile... not a 16...

boo and yahI did a search and the best I saw was 16.8..

1993 Infiniti J30t: 0-60mph=9.0: Standing Quarter Mile ET=16.8

well i did it myself... 15.3

my buddy in his celica did a 14.9


both stock, his manual, mine was auto.

you are right, the v6 stangs are slow, i'm not saying i'm speed racer here or anything, but you gotta realize, stock... for a sedan 4 door that's really good.

well i did it myself... 15.3

my buddy in his celica did a 14.9


both stock, his manual, mine was auto.Time slip? Because without one :bs:

210hp 3,000lbs.. will not even put you close to 15's. A Taurus SHO is around 3,200 (I think) and has 240hp, and only hits low 15s. Im not calling you a bullshitter, Or putting down your car. But your overrating your car alot..

I shouldn't exactly say it wont put you in 15's, other cars it can.. But seriously explain why every site i see the J30T listed as, its in the 16's.. But you magically pull a low 15??

Anyways, I'm not going to argue anymore. If you got something to say PM me.

according to that 1/4 mile calculator

210 Flywheel HP, and 3000 lbs should be good for a 14.9

the rest is in the gearing.

oh and.

http://www.nissannews.com/site_library/infiniti/1997vehicles/j30/specs.shtml

don't beleive everything that 1/4 mile listing site says.

I don't know what calc you're talking about, but most(all i've ever seen) are for RWD, not FWD like your car. Second, no calc uses flywheel hp, always wheel hp. There is no way to calculate wheel hp from flywheel hp accurately.

according to that 1/4 mile calculator

210 Flywheel HP, and 3000 lbs should be good for a 14.9

the rest is in the gearing.

oh and.

http://www.nissannews.com/site_library/infiniti/1997vehicles/j30/specs.shtml

don't beleive everything that 1/4 mile listing site says.His is a 1993, Theres a big difference in times between years.

Flywheel HP has nothing to do with how fast a car, You also have to factor in the drivetrain power loss from the automatic.. Your lucky to see maybe 160whp.

Time slip? Because without one :bs:

210hp 3,000lbs.. will not even put you close to 15's. A Taurus SHO is around 3,200 (I think) and has 240hp, and only hits low 15s. Im not calling you a bullshitter, Or putting down your car. But your overrating your car alot..


the J30 is actually more like 3600 lbs. Sho's are good too, they make 220 hp, but IMO an equal or better sleeper would be a nissan maxima from 95-99. they make 190 hp 205 lbs of torque and can be as light as 2900 lbs depending on the options you get.
also the 2k2-2k3 maxima's are quite fast with people touching well into 14's stock. they make a 12.6 lbs per hp power:weigt ratio. which is the same as a 1995+ GT mustang.
sorry killah but i think you're a little off, an n/a 300zx from the same year still only runs about a 15.5 stock, and has an advantage over your car in hp, tq, and body weight. still a nice car, but i think you're a little too optimistic.

Ahh yes, this whole time I've been over looking Maxima's.

SHO's may not be very bad-ass stock. But they have turbo kits that can give you 440whp.

I didn't know the weight on his car, I was going by what he said.

Street Sleeper...240Z with 440 chrysler on the bottle. All under the stock hood....high tens street trim.

my truck 2500
350 4 bolt long block 895
edelbrock 600 cfm carb used 100
edelbrock intake 200 (free for me)

that and 3.73 gearing should put me in the mid 14's easily.

Damn, everyon uses their own car as a sleeper!

I dont know if i can or cant. Wait its slow so i cant.

what is a good hp to wt ratio?

what is a good hp to wt ratio?

1:1 :p

lol yea i know 1:1 would be amazing..but in reality..what could help get you into 14s or so

1HP per like 13 lbs or so

i think.

Im going to have to go with the galant vr4, if u can find one

a van
take an old van
throw in a decent small block
and you can run purty quick without turning heads
(im not joking this will work)

i have to agree with jayson

get a 3rd gen cavalier z24 with a gm supercharger kit and there you go a sleeper right there, they easly hit 14.5's with a stick and are only running 4.5lbs of boost

now if you increase the boost with a smaller pulley or got with a n2o kit then your seeing 13's no prob, one guy on jbo ran a 13.1 with 4.5psi and a 75 shot on stock interals, most that run a shot of n2o run a 50 shot though and hit mid 13's with the stock pulley

you can find cavaliers everywhere and cheap and now one knows they come with a supercharger option straight from gm and can be bought from the lot with one

ive had so many people say my car was a total sleeper even though my car has a flashy custom paint job and a body kit no one expects to see a fast cavalier ever

now you can say well most cars you can just hook up a tubro kit up to it and be a sleeper but its not the same or a true sleeper imho because its not supported or from the same company as the car, a sleeper is a stock car that no one knows is fast and the cavalier z24 fits this very nicely

if i where to pick another car though it would be a maxiuma ive seen them run mid 15's stock with a stick and can be modded pretty easly to hit 14's with out FI, everyone just thinks there just heavy/slow cars

just my .02cents

a van
take an old van
throw in a decent small block
and you can run purty quick without turning heads
(im not joking this will work)

isnt' there a video on the net somewhere that shows a 12 second minivan beating a mid13 second LS1? i remember seeing somethin' like that before. but i can't remember where or what was done to the minivan.

5.0's can be made into sleepers. Mine for example still looks completely stock except for 16" chrome wheels. The sound is kinda intimidating but everyone just assumes its just another 14-15sec. mustang with flowmasters. Mine runs 12.70's N/A. Cost me about 11k for everything including price of car.

5.0's can be made into sleepers. Mine for example still looks completely stock except for 16" chrome wheels. The sound is kinda intimidating but everyone just assumes its just another 14-15sec. mustang with flowmasters. Mine runs 12.70's N/A. Cost me about 11k for everything including price of car.

I know a little something about sleepers...http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/naughty.gif

lol yeah for real !

vw bugs are good sleepers? well i think so.

88 Civic hatch with a 89 GSR Vtec with bolt ons...my friend ran a 14.5 recently with it

If you go the turbo route the saturn makes a good sleeper. I went the full n/a + gutted route, like 10k spent & i only run a 13.5.

still fast for a saturn...N/A or not...

88 Civic hatch with a 89 GSR Vtec with bolt ons...my friend ran a 14.5 recently with it


Since when is 14.5 considerd fast???? It does not matter what car you have to what a base time is and how much you have gained, that is not what alot of people consider a sleeper time. Aye mr. hyde, these are dark times we are in.

Mr. hyde, I think you need to open up a school that shows the import people how to build a fast car.


Disclaimer....

I am not saying all imports are slow. im just saying that 14.5 is a slow time. It does not matter what car you have to what a base time is and how much you have gained.

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

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hey, i got toooo freakin bored doin this...oh yeah..
DSMs are best sleepers around my block..oh wait..thats me!

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hey, i got toooo freakin bored doin this...oh yeah..
DSMs are best sleepers around my block..oh wait..thats me!

You know, I have noticed that all the DSM's that are modded are starting to become 3rd gen camaros. 4 out of every 5 of them I see are coverd in primer. When will it end?? :icon16:

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

More than you should ever need and not enough of what I want :evillol:

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

Whew, I barely make it into the quick category. Damn today's standards :devil:

Vr4s, gsx's and m3 are not sleepers.


My old taurus would do 145+, quiet the sleeper.

i'm sorry have you even SEEN a 1990 GSX?!?! i plan on taking a baseball bat to the one i get and build into a sleeper, everything inside will be high quality it will look like a pos, one of the lights won't even go up all the way, gauges will pop out of the dash on command only and it will run 12's,....now tell me the guy in the 'vette that tried racing me just then isnt' pissing his pants cuz he got beat by something he thought wouldn't even pull away from the light w/o a push

Vr4's are sleepers....u just dont' see the ones w/ 4 doors running 13's bcuz there are so few, my neighbor's only has a huge exhaust on the back and a 2" boost gauge to tell it apart, besides that the o2 dump makes it sound like crap and the wheels are stockers painted black, so he sounds like a god awful ricer, til he opens up all 20lbs...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/315000-315999/315225_79.jpg

Turbo grand prix

chip($300)
gut the cat
cone filter
=14.6 me at 3660lbs
stock turbo T25 upgrade to say a T3/T4 13's anyone?




marcus

Turbo grand prix

chip($300)
gut the cat
cone filter
=14.6 me at 3660lbs
stock turbo T25 upgrade to say a T3/T4 13's anyone?




marcus


T-type

300$= slicks, mid 13s@3545lbs
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/87736wh-1-med.jpg
That is a sleeper

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/87736wh-1-med.jpg
That is a sleeper

Not to me, it ain't. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/evil_lol.gif

I can't look at one of those without thinking "Hmm wonder if it's turbo."

Damn you people!

Not to me, it ain't.
Well alot of us here are very informed on cars. However, most young gun racers have no clue what that is, and if you gave him a lil rev, he would most likely laugh...now who denies that sleeperness :P

the t-type is the mother of sleepers. but the gp is the econo version.
guy wants $5K for a GN with 200K on it..... :screwy:
I would love to have one though.
he used to run 11's with it.




marcus

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

Who am I talking to Jekyl or Hyde?
I feel left out. You didn't put a name for guys like me that have street legal cars that run very low 10's. I don't like "quicker".
I'm Albert 3rd car from top on list below.V

http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--300ZX-Drag-Racing.html

Now my sleeper, (not the one above) is a ugly, original brindle shit brown 240DL Volvo station wagon with a 351C. I baught it that way. and how fast is it, ell if i no. I've never been beat in it, but thats not saying much as I'm the only racer within 100 miles I know of. I have to go at least 100 miles to race.

Albert

the t-type is the mother of sleepers. but the gp is the econo version.
guy wants $5K for a GN with 200K on it..... :screwy:
I would love to have one though.
he used to run 11's with it.




marcus

5K is about the going rate for an 87 GN with that many miles on it. I promise you that he was not running 11's on a 200k engine. The car might of had that ammount of miles but not the driveline.

I can't look at one of those without thinking "Hmm wonder if it's turbo."

Damn you people!


There is only one way to tell, notice the hood? It has a buldge in the middle. All turbo cars had that. Well now that I gave away the secret, the Buick people are going to ring my throat for it. :icon16:

I don't like "quicker".
Hey Albert, talk to NHRA ....

Quick= ET
Fast = MPH

Hey Albert, talk to NHRA ....

Quick= ET
Fast = MPH

I know, just needed someone to pick on, an U seem to still have some humor left.

OMG, it came to me in a dream over thanksgiving...
one of the old 80's Mercedes Diesels....
gut it and leave the paint all chipped and oxidized and with all the Diesel badges...
Drop a new AMG CL motor in there....
run a few lbs of boost
stock rims but new rubber of corse
now thats a sleeper.... :angryfire

ive seen them around town with price tags <2000.
problem is locating an AMG CL motor and tranny with out having to go down a Benz dealer and buying an all new AMG CL as a donor... :icon16:

OMG, it came to me in a dream over thanksgiving...
one of the old 80's Mercedes Diesels....
gut it and leave the paint all chipped and oxidized and with all the Diesel badges...
Drop a new AMG CL motor in there....
run a few lbs of boost
stock rims but new rubber of corse
now thats a sleeper.... :angryfire

ive seen them around town with price tags <2000.
problem is locating an AMG CL motor and tranny with out having to go down a Benz dealer and buying an all new AMG CL as a donor... :icon16:

Find a AMG CL and take a sludge hammer and proceed in totaling the sucker, but don't get caught, then you'll have a donor.
If you do that don't, I say DO NOT use my name ever again, cause your crazy'er than a pet coon.

Find a AMG CL and take a sludge hammer and proceed in totaling the sucker, but don't get caught, then you'll have a donor.

ROTFLMAO, oh.... ahhh ahahahahahahaha....






that was a good laugh

If you do that don't, I say DO NOT use my name ever again, cause your crazy'er than a pet coon.

crazy....




is in the eye of the beholder....




MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Hi Folks,
I think you could already tell my suggestion by my user name.

The Ford Fairmont makes an awesome sleeper. They are VERY cheap, VERY light, and VERY easy to stuff a large motor into, including the 460 cubic inch+ big blocks.

You can easily get a 2-dr, stripped and with a manual, to weigh around 2600 lbs.

Put in a donor 5.0 HO, T-5 tranny, and some induction mods (headers, intake, cam, etc.) and you have an easy 12 sec ride for so much less than all of these other ideas. This is not some pie in the sky plan, my '78 was actually built for around $3K (w/forged crank, rods, pistons, and 4-spd manual, not really necessary for above plan) and it is a legitimate and doable plan that anyone can duplicate. Look around - I have even seen some 9-sec STREET fairmonts.

And trust me, you will be able to suprise any vehicle you desire. It is a sleeper for those of the older generation, not pretty boys who don't like to get their hands dirty.

Sleepers rule....

question. There is a '91 cutlas supreme at the end of the street for sale. at fisrt i though 'old beater' . now i am considering this vehicles simply for price. it is as basic as you can get except it has Aluminum aloy wheels. the only thing it states is wrong iwth it is a blown head gasket. here are some questions i have for this car.

-I Beleive it is a 3.1 v6 12v FI engine or 24v FI engine. What type of FI is it and what type of numbers are extractable from this engine?
-I didnt pay close attention to the interior. i glanced and it looked in good shape, But i beleive it is an automatic. What kind of Numbers can this auto handle and is it FWD or RWD?
-Edmunds Value on it is $346 privet party, this is due to the fact it has a blown head gasket. i know the problems that come ith a blown head gasket. now my question is How much will a new gasket cost for this vehicle? i want to see if i dont want to use it as a screw around track car if i could make a small priffit (maybe $100-200) simply by fixing it.
-Do you think it would look good with 24's dark tint and system so loud the trunk jumps like a kid on a trampoline? lol.

3.1L has 140hp and around 180tq
if it's the 3.4L 24V it's got 215hp and 215tq
auto can handle some power.
www.w-body.com (http://)
for all your information needs




marcus

Hi,
It is possible to make a few bucks changing the head gasket. They typically only cost $50 or so, and maybe another $20-40 for torque to yield head bolts, which most cars use nowadays. There may be some other incidentals such as intake gasket, plugs, etc.

However, I would NOT recommend it for several reasons:
1. Head gaskets generally don't blow without reason (unless it is a Ford 3.8, it may happen at any time). The car was probably overheated.
2. If a car is overheated, particularly an aluminum headed engine, there is probably cylinder head or bore damage.
3. You don't know the condition of the bottom end of the engine. If it had been running with "milkshake" oil the bearings are probably trashed.

You don't sound like you have alot of mechanic experience. It is not a first time project to attempt.

I don't think the 3.1 is a particularly good motor to hot-rod. Find something with more potential and a lighter vehicle.

Good Luck.

i missed a play on words, ive been in these forums too long. FI stands for fule injected, not forced induction.
yes i know of the problems associated with head gaskets, I found out who is selling it. its a guy down the street. he owns at least 5 cars and i alked to him on the phone. when the head gasket blew he just didnt feel like replacing it so he figured he sell it as a fixer upper. I have experence with engines and my father was a certified mechanic before he joined the military, back in his 'day'. the guy said he'll let me take the heads off and check oil, coolant etc.. full inspection before i buy it for $350, i meay be able to talk him down. i even have connections to a mechanic local that usually charges $50 for basic inspection such as compression testing, sprak plug testing, etc.. but since my mom knows the wife of the guy real well he will probably do it for free. just get it looked over by the mechanic and se that its in good working condition and i will think about it. it is the 3.1. he says it just started smoking maybe for 300 miles before he decided to sell it. any ideas for perfomance mods. im not looking to 300 some odd hp im looking at mid-low 200's and plenty of weight reduction. maybe get it below 2900lbs with me in it.