Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
And the Skyline isn't really overhyped i personnally think that the dodge Viper is waaayyyy over hyped that thing can't do diddly squat and if you care to sheck taht vid link you will see what a 1300hp Skyline can do 0-200 in 13.75 seconds and it can still corner and doesn't have LWB and isn't running nitrous or running on methanol

WANKIE

1. Now this magical Skyline is only 1300HP? What happened to the other 300 horses? It seems the specs on this car keep changing. I WANT HARD EVIDENCE of the existance of this car.

2. Viper is not over hyped. A lot of people don't want to buy it because of it's price. I for one wish that Dodge would release a more inexpesive sports car that can compete. And as for the Viper not being able to do didly squat. Must I remind you of the GTS-R that goes 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, does the slalom at 192 MPH, and on the skidpad holds well over 1G. The car is capable of well over 200MPH. All this withought any form of forced induction. There is also the Viper Venom 805 that does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. And this car actually exsists.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
yea it would but it has a V10 and produces 400 hp out of a lousey 8 litres now erm 50hp per liter is pathetic

And don't talk to me about HP/per L, I hate that dumb debate. If you want to talk about that, then lets look at that 528 Hemi. Capable of 7000HP thats about 700HP per litre. So put that in you pipe and smoke it. Also the V-10 is capable of a lot more than 400HP. People have to pay for insurance you know. The V-10 is restricted.

it's just a matter of preference....


if you love imports, you go to skyline, supra, rx7

if you love domestics, you go viper, corvette, and a bunch of other guzzlers....

that's what it all comes down to

Originally posted by RiceRocket
it's just a matter of preference....


if you love imports, you go to skyline, supra, rx7

if you love domestics, you go viper, corvette, and a bunch of other guzzlers....

that's what it all comes down to

True, but i think polygon is just correcting a few of NSX's statements. I've noticed that he loves imports and seems to hate US cars and thinks that they are the worst car on earth and cant do anything, Polygon is just pointing out that they aren't that bad.

i have seen that "mythical skyline" its a gold R32 with a veilside kit on it. it has 1300 hp. and it did the 300km dash in 13.75 seconds. there i backed him up casue i've saw it. (well in vidoe forms of course but it was on a japanese car game show where eveyrone brings in their cars to see whos best) the other gt-r's didn't do sooo well, they got in the 14's but the particular one that nsx is talkin about was a R32 that did hit 13.75

HKS has a 1600 HP Skyline as well. Then Top Secret has multiple 1000+ HP ones, Blitz has a 1600 HP one, and JUN has a (200MPH?) Supra.

Polygon you mentioned all the modded ones as far as i care they're up with the 1600hp skylines


the thing is they're about the same and some people consider Skylines overhyped and that's just because you can't get them in the US

When they get beaten by Civics then they look really overhyped


I only said that in retaliation to the constant bombardment of the Skyline ... everyone is so skepticle of its abilities because all you hear is talk about it not the actual thing o well *sigh*

i guess 0-200 in 13 seconds isn't a good achievement *sigh*
without NOS or running on methanol or any of that drag racing stuff

http://www.exvitermini.com

well it can still turn corners at least so don't give me any crap about those Funnie cars

Yeah you can talk that trash talk , but when it comes too which car performs the best on the track , then all those 1000+ hp cars can't beat a 600hp porsche turbo... I think i'll start flames with this one , but it's true...

Originally posted by Polygon
And don't talk to me about HP/per L, I hate that dumb debate. If you want to talk about that, then lets look at that 528 Hemi. Capable of 7000HP thats about 700HP per litre. So put that in you pipe and smoke it. Also the V-10 is capable of a lot more than 400HP. People have to pay for insurance you know. The V-10 is restricted.

???
what car is that??
that's insane!

i thought the s2000 was the most with 120hp/L

The 528 Hemi is a large block V8 made by Chrysler. Right out of the crate it produces arounf 750HP and 750 torque. The same block is used for top fuel drag racing which is around 6000-7000HP. Lets see you get that out of a Skyline or Supra engine block.

note to nsx...

the s2k is the highest n/a production engine hp/l.
the motor he is talking about is obviously an f/i application, which makes sense, b/c we are talking skylines here.

that is also aftermarket f/i.

hp/l is kinda irrelevant for f/i cars, for one the hp/l number usually means high compression and high revs, high compression in a motor isnt bad, but a f/i motor w/ high comp (from the pistons/combustion chamber) will blow up, since the turbo or s/c ups the compression there...

the other note here is that all of these hypercars from japan are supermodded, compared to the viper that polygon is defending, which is fairly stock, and still outruns these things... and once it is modded, get outta the way...

and the 50 hp/l thing... imagine if that motor had 100 per liter stock?
does it need it? nope. 500hp from a viper is good enough for me thanks.

those top fuel motors are a hell of a lot bigger than 528ci, its the same block, but its bored and stroked as much as physically possible, i dont know what displacement they use, but im sure it is well over 800ci, but even then, the hp/l ratio is amazing

note to you haters of imports and skylines

I'm sick of this anti skyline and import shit and

note

i really think you're wasting perfectly useful time at doing something else

This is quite pathetic go away i shall not be posting again on this thread as it is utterly pointless


nice one whoever made this thread was quite the retard considering i really am not a car expert and i'm glad that my opinion meant as much as it did it shows how utterly pathetic you guys are


this thread will now be closed by a mod

Have a nice day :finger:

Originally posted by Polygon
The 528 Hemi is a large block V8 made by Chrysler. Right out of the crate it produces arounf 750HP and 750 torque. The same block is used for top fuel drag racing which is around 6000-7000HP. Lets see you get that out of a Skyline or Supra engine block.

i already said that the these type of cars do not turn that is my point you're an idiot the skyline can still turn on 1600hp lets see that hemi actually corner with that amount of hippie shit in it

NSX:

I made this thread because I didn't want to throw the Skyline thread off topic. I didn't mean it to be rude, just informative. You don't have to come back at me like that. Take a chill pill.

Fasterthanu:

Hehe, couldn't have said it better.

wow.
you are getting into a bigger war of words than you realize there nsx.

all he did was point out that you were not giving accurate numbers.
you never anywhere but here point out that you are not any sort of car afficiando. so... anyone here on the site would assume you were...

also... why would a mod close this thread? it is pretty insightful.

and i dont believe that polygon is anti import or skyline. no one on this thread is. people are just making points, not pointing fingers, like your "hippie shit" comment does.

you are pretty anti domestic and yet you complain about the anti import crowd. no one is putting down anything import or skyline.

polygon asked for hard proof, you couldnt give it. you called him an import hater. you rip on fasterthanu b/c he has a chevelle. what is making sense? not you

HATER:licker:

"1. Now this magical Skyline is only 1300HP? What happened to the other 300 horses? It seems the specs on this car keep changing. I WANT HARD EVIDENCE of the existance of this car.

2. Viper is not over hyped. A lot of people don't want to buy it because of it's price. I for one wish that Dodge would release a more inexpesive sports car that can compete. And as for the Viper not being able to do didly squat. Must I remind you of the GTS-R that goes 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, does the slalom at 192 MPH, and on the skidpad holds well over 1G. The car is capable of well over 200MPH. All this withought any form of forced induction. There is also the Viper Venom 805 that does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. And this car actually exsists"

You want hard evidence but your own numbers are f*cked up. The GTS-R does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds...not 2.8. The Viper Venom 800 exists, but it sucks (and it by the way does the 0-60 in 3.1 according to Dodge....somehow, only Hennessey himself could get his claimed 2.4s). The engine has an extremely high failure rate because of a mismatch with the f/i and compression rate. By the way, the same 55,000 dollars that buys the engine upgrade kit, would buy you a 1100HP (at least) Skyline. Top Secret only spent 31k on their 1053HP car...and it includes brake, suspension, body, rim, and tire upgrades. The very same Brembo brake UPGRADES Hennessey recommends for the Viper come STOCK on the R34. Hennessey himself blew up four of his engines quarter-miling. Not to mention the suspension isn't upgraded which makes the car extremely unstable coming out of turns. It maybe a fast car from A to B in a straight line....but that's all it's good for. And why is it that the R34 is faster on the Nurburgring (an excellent standard to compare stock production car handling capability) than both the GTS, and GTS-R? As a matter of fact, it's faster than ALL stock production cars with the exception of the Porche GT2 (at 175,000 dollars of course). Not bad for a new car that you can buy for 38,000 US dollars.

hmmm... seems my post from before died... well, here it is again-


NSX- it's not the engine that corners, it's the car/suspension that corners, you dumbass. u gotta chill out a bit. it's only a friggin car, man. an regarding that "hippie shit" comment, i'll take my "hippie shit" Chevelle and blow your friggin doors straight off before you know what the hell is goin on.... i'm not an import hater. i love imports. i just hate idiots.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K

this thread will now be closed by a mod

Have a nice day :finger:

I guess not :D
it's interesting , and we mods will wait for more flames to ban some pepole (j/k only , we hate to ban pepole)...

Originally posted by Gtr2.7L

By the way, the same 55,000 dollars that buys the engine upgrade kit, would buy you a 1100HP (at least) Skyline. Not bad for a new car that you can buy for 38,000 US dollars.

Yes you can , but only in japan... And i think the best versions cost a bit more than 38 grand... And before you start flames , i'd love to have a skyline it's one of my favourite cars of all the time... But it is overhyped , it takes so much attention in the US or Europe , because of the wonderful engine and superb handling , but also because you can't simply go to a dealer and buy a skyline... It's true belive me... And about handling... still around 600 hp porsche turbos and GTs are the fastest on the tracks...

Nope...38g's will buy you a brand new 2002 GTR VSpecII with all the trimmins. If you want the special Nur Edition, it's 45,000 USD.....but it's not the best version if you're going to be using it for the track as it's heavier than it's predecessors and has the same power. It's a closeout series....a collectors item. The M-Spec is 42,000 and the only difference between it and the VSpecII is Leather interior, a badge, and a suspension designed for comfort rather than track.

Many of you say it's hyped because they're hard or extremely expensive to get.....but there is no hype over the Z06 in Japan, or Mustang SVT. According to your logic, there should be. Why? Because they already KNOW they have THE production car....CHEAP and POTENT.

your simple dollar to dollar price tag conversion doesnt seem to fit... why?
b/c if they were available, the price would be way higher b/c of the cost of all the testing for emissions and crash testing to get it here and that filters down into the price.
also...
yes, i could get one for 45k american. then i have to get it here, and do all of the compliance conversions so i can drive it on the street. that is roughly 25k. hmm... so this car isnt so cheap now... and if it did make it here, which it wouldnt b/c the turbos are in the way of where the steering would go to make it left hand drive, it would be more expensive period. nsx price range.

also... the zo6 and cobra are not hyped over there b/c of gas prices as far as i can see. its hard to get phenomenal gas mileage out of a big v8 car... compared to the straight six.

also... the jdm market does not seem to favor v8 cars at all, and it is rare to see one over there that is modded, a corvette for example.

the last reason i have for why we know more about the skyline hype is because of the gas crunch. we all found out about imports b/c we needed something that wasnt a gas guzzler. then we found out that they could be made quick.

so does someone in japan really want a monster motor gas guzzler over their efficient mobiles? get what im sayin...

well i wouldn't exactly call a skyline gt-r fuel efficient. if your lucky you can squeeze about 200miles out of each fill up.

Originally posted by Gtr2.7L

You want hard evidence but your own numbers are f*cked up. The GTS-R does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds...not 2.8. The Viper Venom 800 exists, but it sucks (and it by the way does the 0-60 in 3.1 according to Dodge....somehow, only Hennessey himself could get his claimed 2.4s). The engine has an extremely high failure rate because of a mismatch with the f/i and compression rate. By the way, the same 55,000 dollars that buys the engine upgrade kit, would buy you a 1100HP (at least) Skyline. Top Secret only spent 31k on their 1053HP car...and it includes brake, suspension, body, rim, and tire upgrades. The very same Brembo brake UPGRADES Hennessey recommends for the Viper come STOCK on the R34. Hennessey himself blew up four of his engines quarter-miling. Not to mention the suspension isn't upgraded which makes the car extremely unstable coming out of turns. It maybe a fast car from A to B in a straight line....but that's all it's good for. And why is it that the R34 is faster on the Nurburgring (an excellent standard to compare stock production car handling capability) than both the GTS, and GTS-R? As a matter of fact, it's faster than ALL stock production cars with the exception of the Porche GT2 (at 175,000 dollars of course). Not bad for a new car that you can buy for 38,000 US dollars.

Well, you need to look into stuff more before you go after me like this.

1. The GTS-R goes 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. The car you are thinking of is called the GT2. There is only ONE type of GT-R that has been produced. They merely put GTS-R stickers on the car but it is officially called the Viper GT2, and yes the GT2 goes 0-60 in 3.8.

2. Motor Trend also got 2.3 seconds with the Venom 805. They werent shit, even though Hennessy is gone. Why would Dodge release numbers on a car they don't sell? You can't buy on from a dealership, you have to take you GTS to get it modified; which voids the warranty.

3. As for the Skyline being faster on the Nurburgring track, I have heard that the F1LM is faster, the GTS is faster, the Skyline is faster. I don't know which to believe. I want numbers and sheets and proven facts, HARD EVIDENCE of which one is before I will give a damn about that track.

Blah blah blah.
Skyline this...
Viper that...
Who the fuck cares. :rolleyes:
Are Skylines mass imported here in the States? No.
Are Hennessey Vipers mass produced? No.


I just read this and laugh.

Gtr2.7L, you are mistaken in saying that a viper's suspension is not upgradable. It isn't why would teh stock viper get .92 g's on a skid pad, when I have seen modded Vipers pull over 1.05 G's?. If you want proof, I still have the Motor Trend mag. Yeah that number was achieved by Motortrend along with a 9.99 second 1/4 with street legal tires. I don't remember the G's it could pull, but ill look it up later.

Also for top fuel dragsters being over 800 CI, last I knew the rules stated the displacement couldnt be more than 500 CI. That was last year, they could have changed it though. Also, the blowers on Top Fuel dragsters take about 1000 hp just to turn, but this was takenfrom last year and could be different now.

I didn't say the Viper's suspension wasn't upgradeable....I said that the Venom package that was 55,000 dollars didn't INCLUDE a suspension upgrade....or brake upgrade for that matter!

Here is the info I found on your GTS-R concept....
http://www.auto.com/2000autoshow/stories/viper13_20000113.htm
That's a Reuters supported site....so the information is pretty accurate.

Hennessey's work did not void the warranty. Read that very same article in Motortrend. Hennessey worked as a subsidiary for Dodge in addition to his other endeavors as Hennessey Motorsports.

Actually, the F1LM WAS faster than both the GTR and the Porche GT2....but as I mentioned, McClaren's cars were not given a production status by the Nurburgring's governing board. The GTS and GTR were.
Here....notice the graph at the bottom of this page....See who's on the page for stock cars? Skyline GTR 7:59....it's followed by the M-3.
http://www.autonetperformance.com/blitz/article.htm
In 1998, the Porche GT2 took the lead with a 7:56
Here check this page.......
http://autozine.kyul.net/html/Porsche2.htm
and look under the Porche GT3 portion....it talks about the record of the GT2 (and even mentions some say the Skyline GTR is faster).

ALL THIS is the reason for the Hype! It's one HELLUVA car for 5.1 million Yen (38,000 USD)!

I thought I would get at least one taker.....

SO after all what's the conclusion? You can get 2.3 or whatever 0-60 with vipers , you can get a 13.75s 0-300 Skyline , but when it comes to overall performance at the track , there PORSCHE OWNS Y'ALL :finger: :devil:

Wow. A Skyline costs $42,000 USD for the Ultra Super Duper ABC Spec Type R model? How much does it cost to bring it here and make it street legal?
I guess that's why a brand new R34 costs over $80,000 to have imported and converted to pass US Emissions standards.
I don't see what the big fuss is....

I'm not taking either side here, but I just thought I'd let you know that the Hennessey Viper that went 9.89 is now faster. It went 9.60's I believe on a full road race suspension and the driver, S.W., had to granny shift. He was afraid to break stuff. Viper half-shafts aren't cheap!

Negative...Motorex "charges" 27,000 to import and convert.....that's not what it costs. If Nissan were to do it, the car would sell for around 45k U.S. The left hand drive issue is nill. The car CAN be made left hand drive without moving the turbos....yet ANOTHER GTR myth...along those lines, the car itself doesn't need to be altered to meet US emissions....only a reprogramming of the ECU to compensate for the increase in sulfur byproducts in US grade gasoline. Most of the cost involved photographing, documenting, and filing the paperwork on each individual car, a process which, if the car was mass produced for U.S. sale would be unneccessary and would add almost no cost to the value of the car.
You can't import a "Brand New" R34 into the U.S. legally. Since Motorex is the only company who can legally import, and they have to go through the CARB, no vehicle newer than 2 years old may enter the United States and be legally registered.
The newest GTR (the Nur edition) wouldn't cost any more than importing it to the U.S. as it's a limited edition vehicle (only 1000 produced). It would only require filing and approval of the appropriate paperwork, which I believe Motorex has done. So you could by the Nur edition for less than 50,000 in the U.S.
...and about the Porche...yes, I would have to concede the fact that the 175,000 USD Porche GT2 was 3 seconds faster around the Nurburgring than the 38,000 USD GTR. Kind'of a poster child for inefficiency though...wouldn't you say?:)

Originally posted by Gtr2.7L
I didn't say the Viper's suspension wasn't upgradeable....I said that the Venom package that was 55,000 dollars didn't INCLUDE a suspension upgrade....or brake upgrade for that matter!

Here is the info I found on your GTS-R concept....
http://www.auto.com/2000autoshow/stories/viper13_20000113.htm
That's a Reuters supported site....so the information is pretty accurate.


I am not talking about the concept GTS-R, I am talking about the Oreca GTS-Rs from 1998-1999.

what a stupid thread

Originally posted by Polygon


I am not talking about the concept GTS-R, I am talking about the Oreca GTS-Rs from 1998-1999.

Sorry Man...can't read your mind.



and NSX-R....if you are so educationally enlighted, click out of the thread.......
...and side note....is that pic from '02 AutoSalon?

Originally posted by Gtr2.7L


Sorry Man...can't read your mind.



and NSX-R....if you are so educationally enlighted, click out of the thread.......
...and side note....is that pic from '02 AutoSalon?

Well, it is kinda' tough being that there are about three cars that Dodge has called the GTS-R. :)

wow, NSX.... did you come up with that all on your own? you must be incredibly gifted....:rolleyes:

i was stating the obvious because you guys are oblivious to it


and thanks for dedicating a whole pointless thread to me. I don't think anything constructive will come out of this thread as you guys just seem to be hell bent and proving me wrong good luck because ya'll suck


wow, NSX.... did you come up with that all on your own? you must be incredibly gifted.... yea yea yea tell me another one that you pulled out of your ass

the picture came from the 2001 tokyo auto salon and it is a Silvia S15 Spec R with Uras bodykit.

the only domestics i like are cars from the 60's they have style and they look cool unlike new domestics (excluding Trans AMs)

It is too bad this is the last year for the Trans AM and the Camero. :(

And there is nothing like a good old 60s or 70s muscle car. :)

i can agree with that i guess

why is it that henessey Vipers blow up after doing 10 1/4 miles runs ?

doesn't he realise that forced induction on a Viper is total stupidity ?

Aluminum Block + V10 + Turbo = Piston Party

Hennesseys Viper is still alive and running faster then ever.
Except, it's mainly a road race car...
The entire suspension is set up for road racing.

:rolleyes:

And besides, Hennessey Motorsports is a JOKE.

nough said nice WS6

i know someone who has a trans am him and a someone else i know went to Pontiac and tried to take a ram air kit and put it onto the trans the one who helped to do this worked there and they were both caught and he was fired the other used to work there and he still has my magazine so subsiquently is a rich bastard who is exceptionally tight FAGOT ok ....