Why silver integras are the fastest (00-01 models)

Some of you may or may not have heard this, but to clear up some confusion I thought I would set things straight.

Actually, there's a very reasonable explanation behind why silver tegs are faster.

First off, the vogue silver colour is only available in japan, therefore, silver tegs are the only ones that come fully equipped & ready to go. Whereas other tegs are painted in the US, and that's where they are equipped with a US emmissions compliant catalytic. Silver ones are already equipped with a japanese cat - which is less restrictive.
Why does Honda get away with equipping these Integras with higher flowing cats, than others? Because many of you don't know this but the standard US cats are well within the emissions legal limit. The japanese ones although less restrictive are actually still within the acceptable limits. Ever wonder why you can buy a hi-flow cat in the US without breaking emissions laws?
Also, something to do with the way the engines are bored on the assembly line - each 5th one gets the best bore.
There also happens to be 5 colours available for the 00-01 models.
Since the 5th car was always painted silver, they always had the best bore, coupled with a higher flowing cat adding an additional 3.5 hp over the other ones. Do they advertise this? No. It wouldn't make sense, then everyone would only buy silver tegs.

This has been the best kept secret from Acura, and until now, this info was only privy to Honda/Acura employees. So if you wonder why you just got smoked by a silver integra - now you know.

Seen?

Hmm.....okay, but what if they started the colours in a different order? Could have been blue, or red that was the 5th car :p

does that include the satin silver metallic integras? and what model does this effect? just wondering.

Good questions.

I don't know the exact reason why, but for some reason, the order is never broken. The japanese manufacturers have a zen-like method of sytematically conducting their work. Meaning if for some reason the order is broken, they must re-start in the same order. i.e. a1, b2, b3...
never a3...b4...c5...
I think it also makes sense logistically if all their machinery is operating on a dynamic basis.

Also, the satin silver colour was a limited feature, only available to a small handful of 00-01 gsr's. The paint was available in the US, hence US cats. However they were made LAST, after all other colours, meaning they were made all at once. So every 5th satin silver gsr has the benefit of the optimum bore. There's no way of knowing which ones though.

Thats interesting...but believable I suppose. It doesnt sound like your bullshitting and I can see a well oiled Japanese production method where something like that would happen systematically.

sounds like bs to me... haha

wheres your source on this one buddy? Cause it sounds like shit to me.

sounds believable enough to me! I mean, they could be making it up, but why? would you waste your time ot try and get people to by silver integras instead of white ones, I could see if he said his is only one of like 2 cars japan accidentally sent over there JDM over here and sold it with our common USDM cars. but he isbnt so I believe him

Nighthawk Black Integra ownz Silver Integra...

:finger4:

Originally posted by KEiTHo
sounds like bs to me... haha

Let me help you out...http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/bsflag.gif


I am a bit skeptical myself. In any case...silver tegs have not been made in a while.

Originally posted by Speechless
Some of you may or may not have heard this, but to clear up some confusion I thought I would set things straight.

Actually, there's a very reasonable explanation behind why silver tegs are faster.

First off, the vogue silver colour is only available in japan, therefore, silver tegs are the only ones that come fully equipped & ready to go. Whereas other tegs are painted in the US, and that's where they are equipped with a US emmissions compliant catalytic. Silver ones are already equipped with a japanese cat - which is less restrictive.
Why does Honda get away with equipping these Integras with higher flowing cats, than others? Because many of you don't know this but the standard US cats are well within the emissions legal limit. The japanese ones although less restrictive are actually still within the acceptable limits. Ever wonder why you can buy a hi-flow cat in the US without breaking emissions laws?
Also, something to do with the way the engines are bored on the assembly line - each 5th one gets the best bore.
There also happens to be 5 colours available for the 00-01 models.
Since the 5th car was always painted silver, they always had the best bore, coupled with a higher flowing cat adding an additional 3.5 hp over the other ones. Do they advertise this? No. It wouldn't make sense, then everyone would only buy silver tegs.

This has been the best kept secret from Acura, and until now, this info was only privy to Honda/Acura employees. So if you wonder why you just got smoked by a silver integra - now you know.

Seen?


hahahaROFLMFAO!!!:D

I can't believe some people fell for this shit:silly2:

but...maybe it's true!:eek:



:D LOL

Originally posted by T.O.tegs
but...maybe it's true!:eek:

Then I better paint my car silver :rolleyes: :p

Heh heh, don't laugh.

Soon i'll be sporting a "powered by silver paint" sticker.

BTW - not true about silver tegs not being made in a while, I happen to have a vogue silver 2001. There's a TON of 00-01 models in vogue silver and a small handful of satin silver ones.

Further to the discussion, my sources tell me that the jdm spec silver paint also contains a teflon like material that reduces drag and has known to improve track times by a .01 of a second when tested on identical cars. Which isn't much, but could literally mean the difference between winning by a nose. Or bumper.

This is silly :hehe:

It's true!!! You don't believe me?

Nasa tested this same paint on space shuttles and found that silver space shuttles broke the atmosphere a full 4.8 minutes before other ones.
The silver paint also holds some heat resistant qualities, which are hardly noticeable in automobiles, but played a huge part in the longevity of such aircrafts. Firstly, the colour itself tends to reflect heat rather than absorb it, secondly, the decreased drag means friction caused by winds exceeding the 800km hr mark is reduced to a 5th of usual temperatures, and lastly because the particles dissipate heat more rapidly than previous models. Ever wonder why space shuttles used to be white, and are now silver?
The safety of today's cosmonaughts can be attributed to innovations such as this.

Careful. We don't want to give the impression that everyone from Toronto is a wingnut...

Originally posted by Speechless
It's true!!! You don't believe me?

Nasa tested this same paint on space shuttles and found that silver space shuttles broke the atmosphere a full 4.8 minutes before other ones.
The silver paint also holds some heat resistant qualities, which are hardly noticeable in automobiles, but played a huge part in the longevity of such aircrafts. Firstly, the colour itself tends to reflect heat rather than absorb it, secondly, the decreased drag means friction caused by winds exceeding the 800km hr mark is reduced to a 5th of usual temperatures, and lastly because the particles dissipate heat more rapidly than previous models. Ever wonder why space shuttles used to be white, and are now silver?
The safety of today's cosmonaughts can be attributed to innovations such as this.

BAHAHAHA!!! :hehe: "Powered by silver paint" sticker

So I should get "Powered by Torino Red Pearl" sticker :hehe:

If silver tends to reflect heat rather than absorb it....how come it tends to be the easier colour to have problems with cracking in the paint?

White should reflect the most heat, because it contains all the colours of the light spectrum, and reflects the most. Black contains the least, so that is why it absorbs the most heat.

Look...look, I never said I was a rocket scientist.
I am merely stating reported facts.

In a study conducted by the Smithsonian they found that 8 out of 10 chimpanzees were more drawn towards toys containing the vogue silver colour as opposed to others tested, including torino red. Ever wonder why you never see chimps wearing red hats?

Answer that!

How the hell did you get onto talking about chimpanzees????

So is your new theory that colours which attract the eye better will perform better just because 8 out of 10 people chose that colour :silly2:

NOW you're getting the picture!

Studies conducted in the early 60's on telekinesis found that machinery
tend to perform better when guided by waves of human thought.
The essence of the theory was basically, that if you exert more positive thought into a machine's function, it shall perform better than without.
Because so many people are attracted to the beauty of vogue silver,
they tend to want silver cars namely acura integras to succeed in races, hence another advantage for silver integras.

well if that is the case, why dont the silver inegras have the jdm front? you know, after 98 all jdm tegs had the "type r" front, dont you?

This is total BS... get a silver teg and compare the cat converter to see for yourself!

Originally posted by diegoaccord
well if that is the case, why dont the silver inegras have the jdm front? you know, after 98 all jdm tegs had the "type r" front, dont you?

huh?

Well here in Oz...all the integras from 98 onwards had the slantier nose, and you could only get silver vtec models that year onwards. You could still get normal silver before then, but just GSI base models not VTEC. Majority of the VTEC model integras before then, were burgundy, red, or grey.

Originally posted by Speechless
NOW you're getting the picture!

So my old silver 3rd gen civic should have been much faster than all the other 3rd gen civics because it was silver. :p

Precisely.

I'm glad i'm finally getting through to someone :)

someone please tell this man to stop talking!!!... the bore on silver tegs is the exact same as any other color teg...the cat is also the same size... where did u hear all this from!? and what does chimpanzees have to do with the car?! hahaha....

Originally posted by KEiTHo
and what does chimpanzees have to do with the car?! hahaha....

Don't know about you, but I'm going to keep my eyes out for a chimp driving a silver integra around Toronto :D

Originally posted by Speechless
BTW - not true about silver tegs not being made in a while, I happen to have a vogue silver 2001. There's a TON of 00-01 models in vogue silver and a small handful of satin silver ones.


I was talking about the GS-R. It did have silver in 2001, but not in 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997...(that is as far back as I went, to lazy to go all of the way back).

is that why a lot of people buy the silver die-cast integra over anything else?

Originally posted by Speechless
NOW you're getting the picture!

Studies conducted in the early 60's on telekinesis found that machinery
tend to perform better when guided by waves of human thought.
The essence of the theory was basically, that if you exert more positive thought into a machine's function, it shall perform better than without.
Because so many people are attracted to the beauty of vogue silver,
they tend to want silver cars namely acura integras to succeed in races, hence another advantage for silver integras.

:spit: Oh man, now this is really going too far. :finger:

Originally posted by RiceRocket
is that why a lot of people buy the silver die-cast integra over anything else?

Most die-cast models are of pre 2000 models and the paint used does not contain the same compound as the OEM kind, so the same principles may not apply. However the popularity of those particular silver models is attributable to the general appeal.
There are secondary kits you can purchase on e-bay that sells 00-01 front and rear bumper conversions for die cast models with a 15:1 scale and 25:1 scale.

I can hear the "think positive thoughts" cd playing while you're racing your car... "i'm gonna win!" "i deserve to win" "i can do this" ....

you will go into a deep sleep...... you will slowly shift to first gear....

me thinks you are a :bloated:

BS or not most member here just showed they wont even attempt to understand anything beyond raw HP. Isnt that why we are import enthusiests? Technology? You cant say physics doesnt play a part in automotive performnce....a sport where your pushing an object through space as efficiently as possible. A block will not travel as fast through air as a bullet....same thing on a larger level. EVERYTHING plays a part in physics. And thats just regarding the color issue. As far as the JDM spec thing....that could go either way. Even if he is BSing at leaste he proved hes the one person here capable of BSing simple physics....not an easy thing to do and sound legit doing it. Most of what he said at leaste makes sense. And obviously he proved most of you arent even capable....or willing to try to grasp something a little more complicated than "tempation island". Either way, props to him.

Originally posted by spnx


Don't know about you, but I'm going to keep my eyes out for a chimp driving a silver integra around Toronto :D

ROTFLMAO :lol2: same here ...

Originally posted by integr8
BS or not most member here just showed they wont even attempt to understand anything beyond raw HP. Isnt that why we are import enthusiests? Technology? You cant say physics doesnt play a part in automotive performnce....a sport where your pushing an object through space as efficiently as possible. A block will not travel as fast through air as a bullet....same thing on a larger level. EVERYTHING plays a part in physics. And thats just regarding the color issue. As far as the JDM spec thing....that could go either way. Even if he is BSing at leaste he proved hes the one person here capable of BSing simple physics....not an easy thing to do and sound legit doing it. Most of what he said at leaste makes sense. And obviously he proved most of you arent even capable....or willing to try to grasp something a little more complicated than "tempation island". Either way, props to him.

if silver affects the performance of any type of moving object, i'm surprised no one has experimented and created the perfect color for a race car and patented it for licensing use....

as regards to color use:

red ---> attracts cops
white ---> attracts thieves
black ---> attracts accidents

silver ---> speed? hmmm :rolleyes:


funny how this thread got to page 3

Originally posted by integr8
BS or not most member here just showed they wont even attempt to understand anything beyond raw HP. Isnt that why we are import enthusiests? Technology? You cant say physics doesnt play a part in automotive performnce....a sport where your pushing an object through space as efficiently as possible. A block will not travel as fast through air as a bullet....same thing on a larger level. EVERYTHING plays a part in physics. And thats just regarding the color issue. As far as the JDM spec thing....that could go either way. Even if he is BSing at leaste he proved hes the one person here capable of BSing simple physics....not an easy thing to do and sound legit doing it. Most of what he said at leaste makes sense. And obviously he proved most of you arent even capable....or willing to try to grasp something a little more complicated than "tempation island". Either way, props to him.

Good lord, are you fucking serious? Of course physics plays a role, but there is no magical color that makes your car go faster! In addition, ALL Integras were made/assembles/painted in Japan. Honda does have factories in the US, but the Integra was one of the few cars out of their line that was still completely made in Japan along with the NSX and one or two others. And finally, ALL Integras of the same trim have the same specs! The magical silver colored models were not given a better bore stoke or whatever else was said. The engines are made, then put into the frame as the assembly line moves on to finish up the car....

If you sill want to believe this BS, think about it for a second. THE ONLY COLORS AVAILABLE FOR HIS GS INTEGRA IN 2001 WERE: CLOVER GREEN PEARL, SATIN SILVER METALLIC AND MILANO RED!!! So much for the 5 car theory....:rolleyes:

why are people taking this so seriously???:rolleyes:

the guy's only joking for gods sakes....he does make it sound "legit" enough to make people think though:D

Speechless: thanks for the laugh buddy;)

i think what made this funny are those who believed it!

Originally posted by T.O.tegs
why are people taking this so seriously???:rolleyes:

the guy's only joking for gods sakes....he does make it sound "legit" enough to make people think though:D

Speechless: thanks for the laugh buddy;)

Originally posted by RiceRocket
i think what made this funny are those who believed it!



Yep, and how they tried to defend it! :p

I think it is done now though :bandit:

Originally posted by Speechless
Precisely.

I'm glad i'm finally getting through to someone :)


HAHAHAHA.....I was being sarcastic :silly2:

Originally posted by spnx


Don't know about you, but I'm going to keep my eyes out for a chimp driving a silver integra around Toronto :D

BAHAHAHAHA! Good one :)

AH HA HA! I knew that one would get a responce. I expected more flaming though. :(

To the mod with the rational responce of Red=more cops, ect. Your right. At the very least color does affect something in our subconcious or psyche or whatever...and thats what he was saying. But along those lines Red also looks "fast" to us and we could probably "will" a red car to go faster that a silver one if you believe all that jazz.

To the dude that said all Integras were manufactured in Japan, I believe they were manufactured in both places. I just remeber something about the VIN that tells wether it was made here or Japan...but I could be wrong?

Im not saying dude was right at all but even if he was, like he said...the difference in aerodynamics of the surface (paint) would make a very minimal difference on a car. Completely un-noticable unless is was on say...an aircraft. But it can make a difference. I know a JDM quality paint job is better because they do add more softening agents to keep the paint softer so it doesnt chip as easily as say...a cheap bumpy brittle US paint job. These softening agents WOULD technicaly make for a smoother finish. And that might make a difference if some Tegs were painted here and some there. Who knows, I just like a good debate and wanted to see how crazy this post could get!

Flame on brothas! :smoka:

Originally posted by integr8
To the dude that said all Integras were manufactured in Japan, I believe they were manufactured in both places. I just remeber something about the VIN that tells wether it was made here or Japan...but I could be wrong?




you're right actually:)...if the vin# starts with a "J" then the car was made in Japan....by car I mean the actual shell and not necessarily the engine....

yeah, i believe the integra are one of the very few cars manufactured only in japan.

Originally posted by RiceRocket
yeah, i believe the integra are one of the very few cars manufactured only in japan.

Yep, if you still have the sticker from the dealership, read it :cool:

Listen you piles of polymorphic alloy, I speak the truth!!!


Alright alright, it's time to put this to rest. :hehe:
I hope you had a good laugh and y'all don't hate on me now.

Yes, I was BS-ing.

For the record, there are no differences between the cats.
Secondly, the part about the 5th engine having the best bore is actually true, but no particular colour got the benefit of having all the best ones.
And even if there was, the difference would be so small and hardly noticeable.

In Canada, there were 4 colours available for the 00-01 models, excluding the type r.
vogue silver, champagne beige (eww I almost wanted this colour), flamenco black pearl and milano red.
Type r's only came in championship white and phoenix yellow. (nighthawk black not available - why? I dunno)

And yes i'm sure, i have a 2000 integra brochure in front of me.

HA HA, i'm surprised I got this going so long. (too far some might say).

I figgered the more outrageous sounding the explanations became people would clue in that it was a joke.

Thanks Integr8 for your support. I'm nowhere near being physic's expert, or a mechanical expert either, but those wacky explanations are all in fact based loosely on stuff I see on the discovery channel. :frog:

My only true talent is BS-ing.

I hope I didn't make anyone mad.

And if I did...then :finger: hee hee

Originally posted by Speechless
In Canada, there were 4 colours available for the 00-01 models, excluding the type r.
vogue silver, champagne beige (eww I almost wanted this colour), flamenco black pearl and milano red.
Type r's only came in championship white and phoenix yellow. (nighthawk black not available - why? I dunno)

And yes i'm sure, i have a 2000 integra brochure in front of me.

I was talking USDM for a 2000 GS, there were 3. For the USDM GS-R there were 5, and Champagne beige was not one of them...So http://www.contrabandent.com/cwm/s/contrib/tweetz/bootyshake.gif

Damn Canadians :finger:

I still think this thread is fun :devil:


:bandit:

I have a silver lawnmower, does the silver paint means it preforms better then the next door neighors black lawnmower???????

Technically it should perform better if it were a gas powered mower as sound travels better through silver decreasing the amount of electromagnetic interference. It should also result in a 10-15 decibel increase in noise, which most of us don't really mind.
But that's why there are more black mowers than silver. Because mower manufacturers are conscious about noise pollution.

If it is electric powered, there should be no difference.

And yes, believe it or not champagne beige metallic was available for Canadian SE/GS/GSR 00-01 models. It's sort of a gold colour.
Which is funny, because even though it was 1 of the 4 colours available in canada, I NEVER see any of that colour around here.

There's too many vogue silver ones here though. Maybe if I got the champagne colour, at least I would be original.

good laugh, thank you!

it is widely known though that paining your lower control arms silver is very effective in reducing speeding tickets. there was meticulous research done where it showed that when trying to radar an integra with silver lower control arms lowered approx 2 1/4 inches the radar detector became scrambled and illegible. i suggest that everyone do this, if no silver paint is availale tin foil will work nicely!:bandit:

hey matt L where you from?, I know a Matt L.

and dont start another one of these long BS stories, that cant be true, they dont only use your control arm to radar you.

I might have to try tho, just got my 3rd ticket in 10 months, 1 more and no license for me.

i'm in clearwater fl. i've got a white gsr? hey give it a shot a little tin foil can go a long way!

yeah I got a ticket yestrerday, hope the foil hlps, if I get one more in the next year I lose the license and iVE ALREADY BEEN TO TRAFFIC SCHLL SO I GOT 1 NOW BUT IF I DONT GET THIS ONE DROPPED COMPLETELY i HAGVE 3 ON THE RECOTRD AND CANT TAKE THE CLASS FOR 7 YEARS

HAHAHAHA thats sucks for u!!!!! Remember theres a time and place to speed ( 12am-3am-- Backstreets or State Parks) lol

not here, where I live thats where the cops are at that time to look for the drunks trying to avoid cops by taking the backroads.

but really there is nowhere on my island to speed. cops always hide different places, they watch everywhere every so often. think I need to plant something on every sgherif and local cars and have like GPS or something so I know where they are at all times.

i went through the same thing, i'm on my 7th ticket. been clean for a while though, didn't stop speeding just learned how to avoid being caught. if you hook up the GPS deal you can sell it and make some bucks! shit i know i'd buy one!!!:devil:

http://forums.off-topic.net/attachment.php?s=&postid=2611756

:flipa:

so my silver 98 gs is faster than the other tegs right?
man i knew there was something different when i test drove the white 96 teg. :D

Correct! all the technical mumbo-jumbo and dynocharts prove nothing.
You must make every effort to dis-learn what you dun learnt for the eyes have it all. Silver = fast.

Why do you think silver bullets are used to kill werewolves?
Because only silver objects have the velocity to pierce the rugged hides of the dreaded beast.

thats why turbochargers are silver too!