Today i raced a mustang Gt and i lost!!! But i was behind him the whole way .It was a new mustang Gt he must have hit top speeds of 140+ i was goin 133 the whole wayz up the hill(highway goin up hill)The point is im running a measly 1.6 sohc and hes running a brand new V8 and I was there right in his face the whole wayz up. When we finally hit a point in the highway where there is a mean hill he floored it and pulled away, i was in 5th and could not downshift already since i was goin bout 100 and in higher rpms of 5th!!! Guess thats what 157 hp will do for u!!!!

Your only pushin 157hp and your turbocharged? Wheel or flywheel? Im assuming you meant wheel and more at the flywheel.

157?? booo....

whats your Psi on?? im pretty sure its low moderate cause you could do alot better with what you have...

Yea, you should make more power from that Turbo!

How many pounds of thrust does that turbo push? Did you reinforce your engine?

i don't know......157 at the wheels still doesn't seem too strong for a turbocharged motor.......maybe if the psi was REALLY low......but still.....but it's a sohc.....i don't want to flame you or anything......but doesn't turbocharging at least cost about......3-4 thousand dollars?.......im sorry.......but i'd get a motor swap and w/ the money for all those other mods....i'd make an all motor monster.....

good work i guess? hp does seem really low. and u know for it to be a truly fair comparison the mustang would have needed all these mods:

Gude Turbo Head w/ Cam
Greddy turbo charger w/ Intercooler
Blitz Electronic Boost Controller
Weopon R Fuel Regulator
MSD Ignition w/ Coil
Bullfrog Throttle Body
Aem Underdrive Pulleys Nology Wires
AGX Suspension
Exhaust Systems
All Strut Braces
15 inch Albas w/GoodrichEuro Tires

so that u were both even on engine mods. but still the idea of building an import is to try to use the money u saved by getting the 4 cylinder to give u more mods than the v8 and therefore win. and sounds like u (almost) did just that so good try! :)

Hmmm i guess youre runing like 4-5psi on your turbo? Cause i know that the greddy kit or Apexi kit can give you around 180-185ponies to the ground at 8-9 intercooled PSI's.

Good try though, at least you kept up with him.Maybe you scared a lil the stang owner when he saw you were keeping up wit him.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


so that u were both even on engine mods. but still the idea of building an import is to try to use the money u saved by getting the 4 cylinder to give u more mods than the v8 and therefore win.

That's why you buy an import?? lol...

Im running 7psi of boost and the wheel horsepower is 157 and thr torque at the wheels is also 154.6 if u tink it supposed to give more hp i tink u just dont no what the hell u are talkin about. I can see if u raise the boost to maybe 10 psi u get bout 184 hp or sometin with the fuel pump. The apex kit made 160 hp on the ground i think with big intercooler and a fuel system!!!! This is the mods and this is what a motor makes right off the dyno!!!! U get the dame thing of everything i have and go dyno it then tell me what u got?? And whats that bout racing a mustang and havin all the parts on the mustang??????? The mustang is already a 20,000+ car to begin with, with a v8!!!!! The whole point is a little motor with 100 stock hp on the wheels is keepin up with a brand new GT Mustang!!!!!!! And it u go bye flywheel hp it would be bout 180 hp

can someone say spell check?

Originally posted by turbocivic4
And whats that bout racing a mustang and havin all the parts on the mustang??????? The mustang is already a 20,000+ car to begin with, with a v8!!!!! The whole point is a little motor with 100 stock hp on the wheels is keepin up with a brand new GT Mustang!!!!!!! And it u go bye flywheel hp it would be bout 180 hp

wtf??? is that not what i said in the 1st place when i posted that? youre just repeating what i already said, but saying it like its a counterpoint or something.

dude if your turbo kit makes 150 hp to the wheels im really sorry for u in the 1st place... i think they installed a new alternator or something and told u it was a turbo.

do u know what a turbo looks like? look for a little round thing like a snail shell in your motor... and if its there, look and see if its hooked up to something, cuz if there is a turbo in there im betting its not connected to the exhaust manifold, making a very expensive short-ram intake.

really guy if your car seriously makes that little power on a dyno while pushing 7 psi, somethings wrong here...

Yea, I agree. 157 hp seems AWFULLY low for a turbocharged setup...

wow ur smart
i must really look up to someone like u who know what he is talking about
wow how much does a air ram make 6 hp ???heads 7??wow thats 13 hp!!!
yeah g
maybe u should take ur thumb out of ur ass and no a lil more bout a d16 then u think u no of

Originally posted by turbocivic4
maybe u should take ur thumb out of ur ass and no a lil more bout a d16 then u think u no of

yeah... i only used to own a d15 and have helped a friend a lot in modding his d16, i know nothing about the d-series.

hey can i race u so i can say i beat a turbo civic?

change the pistons and cams and get some more boost outta that thing and whatever else needs to be done

Hmm...a D16Z6 motor has 125 HP/106 lb/ft, stock. A turbo kit boosting the torque to ~150, thats pretty good. But only a 25 hp increase? I must ask: WTF? If you're seriously running 7 psi you got yourself one helluva boost leak.

just out of curiousity turbocivic.........how much did all those mods cost?......new head and cam, turbo w/ intercooler, throttle body.......that must've cost you around....wild guess, at least 5 thousand rite?........and u have 157........that's weak ........ swap in a jdm b16 w/ only header and u got 145 at the wheels.......my bro has that setup in his hatch.......then w/ money left over.....get a set of cams, throttle body or something and you'll probably be able to beat that mustang.....

?Well ur right bout spendin money but wait
Ricer Boy there thinks u got 125 hp stock hmmmmmm
U got 125 at the fly wheel but---(D16Z6 autotranny=100 hp at the wheels or sometin) and the torque well even lower then a 100
And yes there is more money in there which could have resulted in a swap , but i already had a swap before with a b16, now i got this.
If i really wanted to but there is no purpose on this small island is to put pistons and rods and crank the boost and fuel up and make real hp but that is not on the top of my mind since i already go more then fast enough on these highwayz

You wanna talk about whp? Fine. You have roughly 105 whp due to the 15% average drivetrain loss on a FWD Honda. Using CONSERVATIVE FIGURES ONLY, lets see what whp you should have before drivetrain loss:

D16Z6 motor - 125 HP
GReddy turbo @ 7 psi - about 5-6 HP per psi, so thats about 30 HP
FMIC - should be at LEAST 15 HP
TB & Exhaust - on a turbo car, about 8-15 HP
Cam - say, 8-10 more HP?
Misc stuff (pulleys, wires, etc) - 2-3 HP

I'm not gonna bother adding in the HP from the Custom Black Carpet and the Momo Steering Wheel. :rolleyes:

Now, since you've got yourself a suspension system + lighter wheels, I'm assuming the power loss to the wheels is gonna be less than 15%, so lets cut that down to 12%.

125 + 30 + 15 + 8 + 8 + 2 = 188 HP
188 * .88 = ~165 HP

165 compard to 157? thats almost 2 psi worth of boost u'r missing. I'm not tryin to diss you or start a flame war or something, but I'm really wondering why your car is running that low compared to others I've seen.

Originally posted by Self
Yea, I agree. 157 hp seems AWFULLY low for a turbocharged setup...

157 whp is just right for a d16z6 with 7psi boost

BUT.... he claims to have a gude head. gude is the $hit when it comes to SOHC. 157 whp is low for his setup

you need to get that mofo properly tuned. get it on a dyno with someone who knows what they're doing.... you'll prolly pick up 15 whp.

This was a post written by an uneducated ricer, sir you truly = SHIT, and there is no way your POS Honda at 157HP is going to run with a new GT Mustang, especially up a hill, hell, you could be going down a hill with a 100MPH tail wind just blowing on you and your ass would still get smoked, stop lying and go hang yourself, no one should care.

Originally posted by XSuROsISX
This was a post written by an uneducated ricer, sir you truly = SHIT, and there is no way your POS Honda at 157HP is going to run with a new GT Mustang, especially up a hill, hell, you could be going down a hill with a 100MPH tail wind just blowing on you and your ass would still get smoked, stop lying and go hang yourself, no one should care.

you know, you're a real fuckin fag. do you have nothing at all to do with your day but post stupid shit? if he built his internals, and raised the boost, that mustang would be the POS. of course 157hp wont smoke a rustang gt.

you're a fuckin wise ass and i really dont appreciate your negative feedback about me, my friends, and fellow AF'ers.

please now just either be nice, or critisize constructivly. this isnt about education, or 'RICE' which you like to use, so you must be the uneducated one...

xsurosisx you sure seem to make a lot of enemies quickly. Perhaps you should learn not be such an asshole.

Originally posted by XSuROsISX
This was a post written by an uneducated ricer, sir you truly = SHIT, and there is no way your POS Honda at 157HP is going to run with a new GT Mustang, especially up a hill, hell, you could be going down a hill with a 100MPH tail wind just blowing on you and your ass would still get smoked, stop lying and go hang yourself, no one should care.

dick head

I love listening to the Honda fags cry, truly pathetic, well at least you all believe each others stories, have fun in HP per liter fantasy land....:)

whos the fag who calls honda enthusiasts fags? you obviously have a reason to be in the honda forum? love honda, or have NO LIFE!

someones getting banned very soon.. *cough*

Honda *still* = SHIT

in that case... EAT HONDA YOU PIECE OF HONDA! HONDAFACE!

Originally posted by XSuROsISX
I love listening to the Honda fags cry, truly pathetic, well at least you all believe each others stories, have fun in HP per liter fantasy land....:)

Let's see, the only fag, is one that starts calling others, one. :rolleyes:

Also, the mere mention of the word "Mustang" does NOT mean an automatic win for it. I've seen many of Mustangs go down to Civics, not stock for stock, but it's quite common actually. And what's with the "HP per liter fantasy?" You jealous our precious B16 motor puts out 100hp/liter? So if you think the crying around here is pathetic, why are you only adding to the patheticism? Quite moronic if you ask me! :finger: Get a life, and some better come backs than "Honda fags," then maybe someone will take time to listen to your diarriah the mouth. Until then, if you keep making enemies and bad mouthing Hondas in general, you'll be banned. It's that simple. This is a Honda forum, and weather you like it or not, you gotta play by the rules of AF.com and know when to put up, or shut up. I'm all for a reasonable argument against Hondas, or tuner cars, but coming in and calling people names is the lamest thing I've ever seen. Grow up is all I gotta say! Pshhh...

Im still waiting for the ever famous HP per liter quote bitches, give it to me!!

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


Let's see, the only fag, is one that starts calling others, one. :rolleyes:

Also, the mere mention of the word "Mustang" does NOT mean an automatic win for it. I've seen many of Mustangs go down to Civics, not stock for stock, but it's quite common actually. And what's with the "HP per liter fantasy?" You jealous our precious B16 motor puts out 100hp/liter? So if you think the crying around here is pathetic, why are you only adding to the patheticism? Quite moronic if you ask me! :finger: Get a life, and some better come backs than "Honda fags," then maybe someone will take time to listen to your diarriah the mouth. Until then, if you keep making enemies and bad mouthing Hondas in general, you'll be banned. It's that simple. This is a Honda forum, and weather you like it or not, you gotta play by the rules of AF.com and know when to put up, or shut up. I'm all for a reasonable argument against Hondas, or tuner cars, but coming in and calling people names is the lamest thing I've ever seen. Grow up is all I gotta say! Pshhh...

gotta love the AF mods...

Originally posted by XSuROsISX
Im still waiting for the ever famous HP per liter quote bitches, give it to me!!

:D it's our only excuse when we get romped :D

Originally posted by XSuROsISX
Im still waiting for the ever famous HP per liter quote bitches, give it to me!!


erm you're dick

ya know its funny that the home of the push rod V8 doesn't sell a car that produce 100hp per liter whilst TVR of Britain produces a car called the TVR Cerbera 4.5 at 420hp

TVR Cerbera speed twelve has a 8.0liter V12 that produes 820 hp thats more than 100per liter

Wankie

and honda is going to produce the next NSX with a V8 and its Vtec it will have 400ps more than 100hp per liter sucks to drive a camaro


and Camaro's don't OBVIOUSLY compare to Civics why do you corn racers continue to do so they are a completely different class of car do they ever race in the same series
NO

idiot

thanx NSX

i used to think you had some idiotic comments, but this dude is a frickin retard.

i got no beef with you though

turbocivic, your gettin awfully defensive over there.......maybe he doesnt even have a turbo? who knows, but yea, 157 at the wheels? shit, thats low man. you need to get your turbo checked. and i'm not tryin to be a dick either, so dont jump down my throat aight?

woops, looks like i was a little late.....hadnt realized there was 3 pages, i only saw the first page....anyway. the guy makin the ass comments, i wouldnt worry about him, and he's just makin fun of the HP/liter thing cause his big v8 is prolly around 40hp per liter, instead of over 100 like the good hondas. i have respect for american muscle, i really do, but it just seems like all these american muscle diehards cant cope with the fact that import cars are the next thing in racing......and they dont even take the time to learn what imports are about, they just hear hte word honda and think bad stuff. its kind of annoying.

Holy shit, I almost pissed myself luaghing after reading this last post, I don't think I have ever heard the words Honda and good used in the same sentence. Oh and your visors crooked dude!!

wanna hear something funny?

either xsurosisx or his buddy IMed me and told me he had an 98 LS1 camaro and then he knew nothing about them. then he said he had a supra.
hahaha

Originally posted by kidrocket
wanna hear something funny?

either xsurosisx or his buddy IMed me and told me he had an 98 LS1 camaro and then he knew nothing about them. then he said he had a supra.
hahaha

? what the fuck are you talking about you dillusional ass monkey?

Originally posted by XSuROsISX


? what the fuck are you talking about you dillusional ass monkey?

Oh yeah, that's real intelligent. Let me lay it out to you in PLAIN English, back the hell off, or your ass is getting banned! Do I make myself clear? With a moronic muscle head like you, it's no wonder why is import guys hate Mustangs an other domestics alike. But I know a loser like yourself, isn't the full image of most other domestic people out there. I at least give other cars a chance, before I talk trash. I know what's crawled up your butt, you got smoked by a Honda and can't deal with it, right? :flipa:

Hey, face the facts whatever the reason you hate Hondas, they are just as good of a car, if not BETTER than most out there on the roads. I'd pick a Honda over a domestic ANY day, and not to rice it out, simply because it'll out last and is more dependable than any domestic out there. I wanna see the words "Mustang" and "good" used in the same sentance when talking about dependability. :p How you like THEM apples, son? :D You want a lame hp to liter comment, go hit up some other Honda board, but you aren't gonna find it from the people on here.

On second reading of this thread, I'm gonna have to shut it down. It was a perfectly fine thread, that got some good discussion about turbos and stuff, until one rotten apple had to ruin it all with his "Hondas suck" attitude.

XSuROsISX Don't EVER come into here and disgrace a car that is probably better than what you have anyways (A Shwinn bicycle I'm guessing :rolleyes: ) This is a Honda forum, if you don't like Hondas, we obviously don't want to hear about at, and could give a rats ass about your opinion on them, especially when you come in here with the pisspoor attitude you came in with. You have been banned several times from AF.com already I have seen, so don't shoot for another. it's pointless, and it shows how MUCH time you have on your hands. Instead of writing about Hondas sucking, go out on the streets and prove it, if you wrap whatever you roll around a lamp post, that'll be doing all of us here a mighty favor. We don't need this kind of crap in this forum. We left it behind with the old PureHonda forums, and I'll be damned if it follows us here, this forum is going well, and we don't need any hiccups to upset it's fragile balance. :mad: If you can't take the heat, then your staring too long at our tails and getting whooped. ;)