Dear Camaro Members,

We have been debating whether or not it would be benificial to merge the Camaro and Firebird forums together into one. This would provide the benefit of bringing members with shared platform vehicles together to make information more available to members with either type of car.

The Camaro forum would still be located in the same place in the Chevy forum and the Firebird forum would remain in the Pontiac forum. However the two forums would redirect to the same mutual forum.

Let us know if you think this merge would improve or hinder the Camaro community.

Thank you,
-Jacob

I don't like the Idea, I believe while we all get along and share a commen interest in our cars. We also like having forums dedicated to our specific Vehicle. Well at least thats how I feel.

I guess I don't care too much...It would save me the hassle of going from the camaro forum to the firebird forum and back etc....

sounds like a match made in heaven but might get "Crowded" cause i dont know about firebird forum but the camaro forum is extremely active and could lead to cluttering and lost threads or threads not getting answered, but i thick iroc proly could outrule us all

i agree with what y2icon is saying about the forum getting overloaded and threads not getting answered

Thats another good point. I love the Camaro forum but to be honest its hard to try and answer a question because there are so many people in here and then you have people who don't know what they are talking about and you just end up with 2 pages of people arguing over whats wrong with someone's car or better yet how to fix it, It happens all the time Vs. The firebird forum right now where at least I feel that I get to know everyone posting better and there are fewer hands in the cookie jar trying to pull in a million different directions

i wish gm would have given us a chance like this to speek our opinion before they took away our f-bodys! lol

Not to thread hijack but dude I have written so many emails to Pontiac its not even funny. One day I'm going to post all of them.

They are both f-bodys and are almost identical in many aspects, I don't believe that it would hinder the functionability of this forum.

I always thought the firebird forum was dead, and what about the Trans Am forum?

My idea however, would be to make it an "F-body" forum with Camaro, Firebird/Trans Am sub-forums.

What Trans Am forum...That would be like having a Z28 forum...there isn't one, but I do kinda like your idea.

Then again I think that would make merging pointless.

i think it would get pretty crowded

it would bring them closer together tho.

Hells No!

I always thought the firebird forum was dead, and what about the Trans Am forum?

My idea however, would be to make it an "F-body" forum with Camaro, Firebird/Trans Am sub-forums.
Maybe the reason you think the Firebird forum is dead is because your spending all your time in the make believe Trans Am forum.

lol....

i've never been to any section of the pontiac forum, I just assumed there was a T/A section.

We know Geno, LSD is a lifestyle not a drug!!!. JK man. You should stop in sometime. We have alot of cool member over there.

Limited Slip Differential is a lifestyle???

Limited Slip Differential is a lifestyle???
spoken like a true car guy....

as far as the question, i think that there should be f-body forum links underneath both chevy and pontiac, and once ur in there you can go to the subforums either all f-body, camaro, or firebird.

but the links to the f-body forum underneath chevy and pontiac should read "f-body camaro/firebird" because there are gonna be noobs who don't know their car is a f-body and are gonna be aimlessly looking for camaro and never finding it

that's pretty much what I was talking about, but a bit more detailed...

Welcome Geno and I'm sorry I pointd out there was a firebird forum but congrats on the promotion from likes to play with poop to lord of poop, Keep up the good work!!!
FREAK

hehe, I went and said hi :D

as far as the question, i think that there should be f-body forum links underneath both chevy and pontiac, and once ur in there you can go to the subforums either all f-body, camaro, or firebird.

but the links to the f-body forum underneath chevy and pontiac should read "f-body camaro/firebird" because there are gonna be noobs who don't know their car is a f-body and are gonna be aimlessly looking for camaro and never finding it
Thats a idea, Don't take it the wrong way but I really don't want to share a forum with you weirdo's.(I'm just kdding guys, The only reason I'm against the merger is because we have 2 almost equally adored cars that deserve a forum dedicated to each. But I will continue to litter your forum with my crap)

where's geno to say "mmmm crap"?

lol

2 cars, 2 forums. i think if you want something from camaros, you go there, and if you want something from firebirds, you go there, how hard its it to hit the back botton a few times and pick a forum. to many ppl in one place that share different interests

Good point, you notice that when GTStang and 351wstang wanna talk about a real muscle car, they come here.

Yeah, I always wondered why we don't see HiFlow posting over here anymore though.


There's a thought, Why don't you merge the Mustang and Camaro forums into one pony car forum and leave the firebird alone. That would certainly be interesting!!!. LOL

there would be a LOT of people getting banned.

all hell would break loose and shit would fly from geno liek no other

I see no reason to change it tho

Hey if alot of people get banned then they where not following the rules. I am for it personally, I realize that they are two seperete cars but honestly, their is not engough difference between the two (Unless you get into the speicalty cars like the burger camaro and the Turbo Trans Am) Really the main differences are the body panels and whatnot. The mechanical parts are no different. It might be crowded but, between IROC and I and all the other GM moderators, I think we can get it taken care of.

Maybe a subforum for Trans Am speific stuff

Hey if alot of people get banned then they where not following the rules. I am for it personally, I realize that they are two seperete cars but honestly, their is not engough difference between the two (Unless you get into the speicalty cars like the burger camaro and the Turbo Trans Am) Really the main differences are the body panels and whatnot. The mechanical parts are no different. It might be crowded but, between IROC and I and all the other GM moderators, I think we can get it taken care of.

Maybe a subforum for Trans Am speific stuff
I say we take away your GNX forum and just throw all the regals and Monte's in the same forum and see how fast you change your mind, I'm just kidding but half not.
John

We just got thoes forums because there are extremely major differences between a GN/GNX and a regal,montie,grand prix,cutlass. The list of differences is longer and more extensive than the differences between a Camaro and a Trans Am.

What I do see being a HUGE problem though is new members wondering why their is not a Firebird section in the pontiac section.

The Camaro section to me seems to be more of a techincal forum then the firebird section. I mean even most of the TA guys that go fast post up in the camaro forums anyway.


Formula, I am not trying to offend you, I am just letting people know what I see from a different prospective.

I'm not taking it as a offense from you. I see your point and you are one of the mod's I respect more than most of the other's like I said it was a half joke but I honestly feel you would feel different if you owned a Firebird. I sent a PM to 89 regarding this and he said he agreed with me that the Firebird is already overshadowed by the Camaro and the Monte ,Grand Prix and regal had the same engines and Trans and body panels(although most used different trim and badges) for that matter most years. I feel that we all get along and should feel free to use are own forums or vice versa but one or the other made a very specific choice to buy one car or the other and Even though they are basically the same I would be offended if some one dismissed my Formula as just another Camaro the same way a Camaro owner would feel of the reverse.

The biggest benefit for the merge would be to pool the collective information of the two member groups.

For instance if someone with a Firebird has and emissions problem they might not be able to find an anwer there, however that same day someone in the Camaro forum might have solved the same issue. The problem is that the person looking for the answer will never find it because they will search in the Firebird forum.

Hopefully that makes sense.

It's up to you guys if you think making the information easier to find would be beneficial to you or not.

-Jacob

Oh, also

For those of you who are curious as to how the merged forums would work. Go to the Eagle forum and then go to the Talon forum.

You'll notice that when you go there it takes you to the joint Talon/Eclipse/Laser forum that is actually located in the Mitsubishi forum.

In this case when you went to the Firebird forum, it would take you to the F-body forum in the Chevy section.

-Jacob

The biggest benefit for the merge would be to pool the collective information of the two member groups.

For instance if someone with a Firebird has and emissions problem they might not be able to find an anwer there, however that same day someone in the Camaro forum might have solved the same issue. The problem is that the person looking for the answer will never find it because they will search in the Firebird forum.

Hopefully that makes sense.

It's up to you guys if you think making the information easier to find would be beneficial to you or not.

-Jacob
I'm not saying it would not have benefits and actually I'm surprised that this question hasn't come up before. What I'm saying is I post here and I post over there as far as I know there is no rule about someone posting a question in both forums but to see who answers it but I also like having a forum that is just for my Vehicle. Where the other member drive a cars that look like mine because they decided they like hidden head lights or that they liked the more clasic looks of the Camaro. Also if its just about having the same drivetrain why not just have forums like GM 3800 series, GM 3400 series ,LT1 ,LS1 because lots of cars have this platform not just F-bodys and that's because as I'm sure you know the Impala's and Corvette's and So on would take it as a insult wether or not they like the other car or not. Just to re-clarify I'm not insulted by the idea because I love the Camaro forum but I would prefer things to stay the same.

I agree that the cars have different personalities and so should ahve seperate forums.

Won't the forums be more of a mess than they are now ?
2 popular forums = 1 big mess .

How about leave them as they are now and maybe add a F-body tech for Q&A's about Problems-Tech and just leave the others for the chit chat stuff.


But Come on Firebirds and Camaros have been the same car since they took out the big Poncho V8 in '79 (G.N.T.A. powerplant the lone exception), except for some pop up headlights.

I don't know about you but unless I'm right next to it the Late model Cambirds-corvettes-imports- look way to similar.

Can you say that about a 69 camaro or a 78 Trans-Am ?

my .02$ (if it's even worth THAT!!) :loser:

How about leave them as they are now and maybe add a F-body tech for Q&A's about Problems-Tech and just leave the others for the chit chat stuff.:
Ick's nay on the chit chatta, While the adminay is here.

To be serious for a minute I know that the forum's are not really for chatting and that should be done on the off topic forums but I know what you meant.

he does have a point w/ the 1st and 2nd gen f-bodies. the first two gens have enough difference in them that i think it warrants a seperate forum, i hadn't even thought about that, i'm for not merging now.

I hope you haven't voted yet!!!

how long is the vote going to last?

It end's the 25th.

I do agree that it would be benifical for people seeking information but my take on it is that the sub forums were added to sort things out and make the forum less cluttered. I think that merging the two forums after that would be counter productive. Would it be possible to just merge the technical and performance sub forums and leave the general forums alone? This would still allow the seperate car owners to have thier own vehicle specific forums and also to exchange tech info.

I think pewter has a good point.

I think it should remain as it is... I have been reading a lot lately on the firbird forums and not only is it slow traffic, BUT the firebird owners are always commenting about how much better the firebird is than the camaro. So that would put F-body vs F-body right here and nobody wants that.... :screwy:

yah i saw that, they said something about disputes and rivalries?.... new to me

I don't know what they are talking about either I like Camaro's just as much as I like Firebirds but for some reason some people like to put down other people's rides and don't worry I don't think my car is any better than anyone here's. Its only a select few that feel like that but if you read the top 5 rival's thread here its not only the Firebird guy's that post this stuff. So don't think its just one sided. Also Camaro and Firebird are equal to me I just decided to buy Firebird because I like the Dash's and hidden lights If I got a good deal on a Z28 before hand I would have jumped on it. Don't let the few that feel one car one way or the other is better than the other start a problem.
John

I think it should remain as it is... I have been reading a lot lately on the firbird forums and not only is it slow traffic, BUT the firebird owners are always commenting about how much better the firebird is than the camaro. So that would put F-body vs F-body right here and nobody wants that.... :screwy:
Also not to be a pain but can you point out the exact post's your refering to, To me because I spend alot of time lately posting in the Firebird Forum and if you read post's over the past couple of weeks to me the only negative one I can think of is something about the Firebird being better looking which is a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have one. I just re-read alot of the post's and even one's I thought where negative don't say anything worse than what you just said which is that there is a rivalry and some people view us as enemies. Also if you view my post's in Bummed , Member's rides and Getting to know our community. I give Camaro's alot of credit and even point out the Camaro forum as being better at the moment. So lets not go blow things out of proportion by one statement that has been said by each side and each is entitled to feel that way.

There are sites like, thirdgen.org that have both the Camaro and the Firebird together and I like that setup. I don't think it would be a bad idea. There may be more ideas between the two since they are the same in many ways.

Also not to be a pain but can you point out the exact post's your refering to, To me because I spend alot of time lately posting in the Firebird Forum and if you read post's over the past couple of weeks to me the only negative one I can think of is something about the Firebird being better looking which is a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have one. I just re-read alot of the post's and even one's I thought where negative don't say anything worse than what you just said which is that there is a rivalry and some people view us as enemies. Also if you view my post's in Bummed , Member's rides and Getting to know our community. I give Camaro's alot of credit and even point out the Camaro forum as being better at the moment. So lets not go blow things out of proportion by one statement that has been said by each side and each is entitled to feel that way.

Well yeah its nothing really bad but if they come here and start saying "a Camaro is a poor man's Firebird" or something, which is what they might think, and I have read that on some thread, then some people might get offended or whatnot. I personally think everyone is entitled to their own opinion but just dont say stuff like that that would aggrevate others in here.

I think if you look into how many post's the person making those type statements have made. You will notice most haven't made it to 20 and haven't been on here in years. Also I'm always praising the Camaro in there so if you look at the forum post for post you will find more compliments than anything. I feel like we should feel comfortable to use each other's forums and I wouldn't allow all the Firebird member's to bad mouth the Camaro's I have too many friends that drive them.

I think if you look into how many post's the person making those type statements have made. You will notice most haven't made it to 20 and haven't been on here in years. Also I'm always praising the Camaro in there so if you look at the forum post for post you will find more compliments than anything. I feel like we should feel comfortable to use each other's forums and I wouldn't allow all the Firebird member's to bad mouth the Camaro's I have too many friends that drive them.

oops.. Quote ^

Well yeah you have a point. It probably would be a good idea to merge the forums... just have like sub-forums so it wont be so cluttered like somebody said earlier in this thread.

Wait , I'm not for merging!! LOL
I'm stating we should have seperate forums but feel free to use either we like anytime we like but still have a forum dedicated to our own cars maybe a joined sub forum wouldn't hurt but not one big forum that just doesn't sit well with me.

ROFL. I'm multi-tasking here.. i dont know i give up :grinno: i forgot whether i want to merge them or not..

How about this,

Since its pretty clear that both Camaro and Firebird guys want to keep their own separate forums, as was suggested, I can tie the subforums together.

Essentially I would add redirects in the Firebird forum for their 'subforums' that would link to the new subforums we just set up here.

This would be the best of both worlds I think, a separate chit chat forum for each and common tech, non-performance, and problem diagnosis subforums.

What do you guys think?
-Jacob

i say it works good how it is. why change it?

How about this,

Since its pretty clear that both Camaro and Firebird guys want to keep their own separate forums, as was suggested, I can tie the subforums together.

Essentially I would add redirects in the Firebird forum for their 'subforums' that would link to the new subforums we just set up here.

This would be the best of both worlds I think, a separate chit chat forum for each and common tech, non-performance, and problem diagnosis subforums.

What do you guys think?
-Jacob
I wouldn't be completely against tieing the sub catagories but the only problem then that I have is the Catagory's cover too many subjects techinically 99% of post could fall into the sub catagory's leaving the main catagory's empty but I don't have a answer on how to solve that issue, hopefully someone else will.

Edit- I changed my mind that would work fine. There are lots of things that could be posted not covered by the Sub catagory's. So I guess its up to everyone else if they think it will work........

sure

i like the idea of tieing the sub forums together and leaving the general forums alone, that sounds like it could work.

Here we go now, we may aswell just give up our camaro forums altogether now, i mean shit firat thing they start the sub forums which I have never made it into yet because of all the post out here and now they want to screw the camaro forums up even more by adding the firebirds in here with us. Come on guys my god this is the camaro forum NOT the firebird forums I vote to keep them separated. next thing you know were gonna end up like all the other forums around which are to damn complicated and cluttered up to use or get a good answer besides go look in the FAQ'S.

If your not using the Sub- Catagory's what do you care if its linked with the Firebird's. I say it's the best of both worlds, we both get to keep our most used part of our forum while being able to post a question or subject that can be viewed and possiblely answered by both sides. I don't see a downside here.

who cares what Ford Truck boy thinks...

First off I thought the question was do we want to merge the 2 forums Firebird/Camaro together. Second, I havent made it into the sub forums yet because Im trying to read the post out here in the original forums, tryin to get cought up since its been a few since Ive been in here. If you guys wish to be like the rest of all the cars forums out there on the net then fine do it, be like them just dont bitch when things arent like they use to be when it was fun and nice to be able to ask questions about whatever. Oh and Im sorry if it upsets you that im buying a ford truck, Ive just always wanted an old truck to do a complete restoration on.

breath, count to 10, i'm only kidding with you.

Oh damn guess that did sound abit rough sorry, Im good. Just sayin I misunderstood the poll as for the truck its just somethin I gotta do ya know...........lol

So they final consensus is that you guys don't want anything to do with the Firebird forum. Correct?

-Jacob

I think we should have sub catagory's linked but I'm a Firebird guy so its up to them.

Edit,- You know what they have worked the way they are so far and even though I think the sub's idea could work, If it aint broke why fix it. So why don't we just leave things the way they are for now. But still want to know what everyone else thinks.

John

Nope ...................

Alright, I'll leave them alone.

Thanks for the feedback guys,
-Jacob