well actually i killed 2 neons in one race, but the other one really doesnt even count. U guys might not care for this story as much, but i havent had many races lately so ill tell it.

I saw two neons at a light take off for a race, one was an R/T which i had been wanting to race one of those, and the other was just the SOHC. The SOHC had some mods done to it, a really nasty sounding exhaust prolly a few other things. So i catch up to the R/T to get a race going. We get to a stop light and as i look over theres a driver and a passenger in the R/T. The passenger makes some kind of cocky gesture to me and is pretty much just shit talkin to me like the R/T will whoop me. All i say to him is just wait. So im in the middle lane to my left is the R/T and to my right is the SOHC gay ricer. Anways were not at the front of the light, but there arent any cars behind us, so i say go on third honk, im honking. Well those guys didnt even line up properly, both of them were about a 1/4 length of a car ahead of me at the start, but i knew i would blow them up so i wasnt worried. So third honk and they both jump the gun. I smash the peddle and im instantly with them at like 25MPH and from their i just pull really hard on them, by the time i hit 60MPH i have a car lengths on the R/T and 2 cars on the SOHC. I cut off their cause i was getting close to the traffic ahead of us.

After the race the R/T pulls up along side of me, gives me the thumbs up. Well traffic isnt moving very fast so we start talking. The R/T had just an intake but thats all i have too. The driver was cool but the passenger was affraid to say anything cause he did so much shit talking before the race and now he looked like a fool. Funny how his attitude changed. Even though i blew them both out of the water, it was still fun cause i havent been able to get any races lately. . . But i always wanted to race an R/T cause i figured since it had the R/T badge on it, it must be pretty fast, not really the case.

But i always wanted to race an R/T cause i figured since it had the R/T badge on it, it must be pretty fast, not really the case.

Yea...a manager at my old job had one of those R/T neons. His was white with blue racing stripes. He thought it was fast, but like you said, that's really not the case. Nice kills! :thumbsup:

btw, does anybody know the specs on those R/T neons?

The R/T was the over-rated red headed 3rd cousin to the real Neon barnstormers the 1995 Sport Coupe and ACR Neons. The Sport Coupe produced 160hp at the crank, the ACR 175. Conservative estimates, though, put the Sport Coupe dead even with the ACR.

However, the R/T was 150 dead at the crank, 160 if the air happened to be super dense and you didn't close the air filter box completely. They also were laden down with a ton of weight compared to the stripper Sport Coupe.

nice kill I really dont get to race other neons nor cavis but what are the specs on the z24

Nice kills! I've never run a Neon, now i wanna go find one! :smokin:

Z24 isnt a power house, but its quick off the line. I4 150HP DOHC 2.4L, the only thing that makes this car quick is the 155lbs/Tq at 4200 RPMS. So when im flooring it im almost always getting my max torque cause it hits its torque power band so low. Last time i took it to the track my best time was 15.8. But its a stock auto. . .

you hit 15.8 and you beat a r/t that bad stock r/ts run low 15s...............?

Seems fishy here! Must have been a driver error!

Definately a good race, assuming the other guy didn't miss second or something. Anyone know a real time for the r/t, not a mag-adjusted one?

Layla's, I've never seen either of the two neons you mentioned. Where they oversees only, or were they race-only, or something like that?

The ACR Neon is a competition version, designed most specifically for SCCA Showroom Stock competition. It had a special computer, stripped interior, and Koni adjustable shocks and was available as either the two door coupe or the four door sedan (sedans were actually more popular as they were lighter). The Sport Coupe was a street version of the two door without the radical comp tuning, Koni adjustables, or fully stripped interior.

Neither one was very publicized or even high profile (sport coupes only carried some basic badging) but they were both top notch compacts.

i dont see how its fishy. both cars produce the same HP, just mine has alot better low end torque. Not to mention my car is prolly 5 years younger than that one, so the engine and trans have less wear and tear.

and i did some research on the neon R/T and its stock 1/4 mile time is around 16.5-16.0 flat, not low 15's. Also the car i raced was an older model. But i did learn that they still make the Neon R/T. I thought they stopped cause ive never seen one with the newer body style, but its still got the same engine.


http://www.modernracer.com/dodgeneonrt.html

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=249840

"you hit 15.8 and you beat a r/t that bad stock r/ts run low 15s...............?"

stock R/ts run low 15s???? cmon seriously. ive seen alot of r/ts and i dont think theyre low 15 cars....

seriously............

drag1320neon hit 15.5 with a jimmy rigged intake and he doesnt even have a dohc r/t he has a sohc base...............

and the duals run better ets than the singles.......

so I think they do..........

i dont see how its fishy. both cars produce the same HP, just mine has alot better low end torque. Not to mention my car is prolly 5 years younger than that one, so the engine and trans have less wear and tear.

and i did some research on the neon R/T and its stock 1/4 mile time is around 16.5-16.0 flat, not low 15's. Also the car i raced was an older model. But i did learn that they still make the Neon R/T. I thought they stopped cause ive never seen one with the newer body style, but its still got the same engine.


http://www.modernracer.com/dodgeneonrt.html

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=249840

first is 16.5-16.0 stock times for a civic thats just paper times.........

second how old can the r/t be...... the earliest r/t they made was in 98 and the first gens are the fastest years............

third even if the engine had more wear and tear....... if his syncros werent going out his 5speed still should have beat your auto........

ok well i looked but i thought they started making them in 94 when the neon first started. So at most my car is 3-4 years younger than his. Anways you still havent shown me wrong about the times, i just posted two links to R/T's 1/4 mile times, both above 16 flat you think its a 15 flat car, show me somewhere, where it says a stock R/T ran 15 flat.
And dont forget my car is pretty damn quick off the line, we didnt race a 1/4 mile, we only raced to 60 Mph or so. And there i should have wont for sure, since my car makes 155lbs/TQ @ 4400 RPMS while the R/T is only 133lbs/TQ @ 4800 RPMS.

Proof is the only answer.....

well the guy that could barley hit 17s with those modds is just ridiculous his car should be faster than mine..........with an extra cam and more modds

and the other car is a second gen which is slower....

do you really think you are getting the max hp and tq that you should with an auto...........

no i know im not, but im still getting more than the Neon. And you still havent shown anything to support your claim of 15 flat.

but more than a neon 5speed???????

I didnt say 15 flat, low but not flat..........

cant find paper proof but first hand people that I know was running those times........

my brother that had a 99r/t stock beat drag1320neon by about a car and a half and drag1320neon was hitting 15.5 so you figure......

if you won you won good kill I really cant say anything other wise cause I wasnt there and he could have been a crappy driver or any other factor but it just dosent make any sense to me......

low end torque, yeah i still think im getting more than the neon. I produce about 20 more lbs at aroud 400 less RPMS. Im not saying i would beat the guy in the 1/4 mile, im just saying i beat him in the 0-60MPH race. My car does suprise alot of people off the line, it just doesnt top off very well. I guess its something you gotta drive to understand, i try not to judge other peoples cars unless ive driven in them or raced them. But it prolly is possible that your buddy ran low 15's stock, some people are just really good with a stick, but you cant say the best is the measure of the rest. Cause their is one guy in the cavalier section claiming he has seen a stock cavalier with the ecotec run low 15's too. And thats only 140 HP and 133 TQ. But 300 lbs heavier than the R/T. I drove an auto ecotec when i had a rental one time, it wasnt much, i was really happy to get my Z24 back. But other people say the stick is a diff story. I still call BS on the low 15s stock ecotec.

But on a side note thanks for keeping this thread a non flame thread, its nice to have a conversation not turn into a flame war.

I feel you on the low end tq, cause the singles on te neons put out on bottom end more than the duals but now that you clarified the race was 0-60 it makes more sense, yeah thats true you cant judge one car and base it on all the cars........

I will call this thread:

Viper VS Vette Lite...

:evillol:

my car might not have all the speed and power of the V8's or the FnF style of the Eclipses, mustangs, SRT4, BMWs and what not, but its fun to race, and the neon R/T was a car that was right in my class area.

Neons are slow... Unless its an Srt-4, -Jayson-, z-24's are nice cars and will spank a neon anyday. As for the r/t running a 15 flat. Thats bull. Neons run like 16's. An r/t with the best driver in the world might his a 15.5 I see neons at the track all the time including r/t's running 16.0-16.5

Neons are slow... Unless its an Srt-4, -Jayson-, z-24's are nice cars and will spank a neon anyday. As for the r/t running a 15 flat. Thats bull. Neons run like 16's. An r/t with the best driver in the world might his a 15.5 I see neons at the track all the time including r/t's running 16.0-16.5

are they....................... :grinno:

Yes... They are... As for the Srt-4... thats a very different story. The potential of a neon is also horrible. 209 neon. Your neon is fast for having minor bolt ons... but the fastest your gonna run with minor bolt ons is 14.00. After that you will go no where unless you poor mad cash into it. Minor bolts ons on a 4g63 and youll see low 13's high 12's. Im not bashing on you 209... just your car...

Funny, as far as I know Civic Si's, Ford Focuses, and Mitsubishi Mirages/Lancers don't run much above a 14 with minor bolt-ons either.

The previous generation Neon Twin Cam engine was a beast above 6000rpm. The engine really wakes up with a set of cams and higher octane fuel (I know this because of the friggin' secret squirrel cams my dad had in his Neon and the fact that he never ran less than Sunoco Super 94 in the car).

And in my book, cams are a bolt on item. Anything that doesn't require you send the engine out to a machine shop = bolt on.

And by the way, comparing an N/A engine to a Turbo engine like Mitsubishi's pet 4G63 (which, by the way, the triple diamond learned the turbo trade from, you guessed it, Chrysler) is really apples to oranges. Having to swap manifolds and go to bigger injectors is worlds away from dialing in more boost.

Yes... They are... As for the Srt-4... thats a very different story. The potential of a neon is also horrible. 209 neon. Your neon is fast for having minor bolt ons... but the fastest your gonna run with minor bolt ons is 14.00. After that you will go no where unless you poor mad cash into it. Minor bolts ons on a 4g63 and youll see low 13's high 12's. Im not bashing on you 209... just your car...

well lets see..............a factory turbo car and with minor modds seeing low 13s high 12s...........doesnt excite me considering its turbo charged with like what 200ish hp and 200ish tq........dont get me wrong I know my car isnt a power house only pushin 130hp with 129tq on a sohc with the modds probably not even 160hp and x amount of tq and hitting 14.5 on street tires............you figure.......

the fastest I am going to go with all the bolt ons is 14.0 :lol: are you serious like laylas said I still have my cam, cam gear, intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, fuelpump, pcm, flywheel, clutch, msd, slicks, weight reduction ect........with out going through head work or performance internals and ill be in the low 13s with out force induction, without nitrous, without head or block work........and .2 liters less than what you have............im not bashing on you either just your car

I personaley beat eclipses all the time even some gsts............dont get me wrong I have love for dsms my fiance has an eclipse..........as far as the srt goes that your competion both stock 2.4l engine thats turbo charged and still getting beat stock :disappoin

every where i'm looking i'm seeing low 16's high 15's.
i really don't see anything fishy about it either, seems pretty normal to me. nice kill

btw 160hp at 2800lbs running low 15's sounds fishy to me if anything does, you got eclipse's at 210hp at 3100lbs runnig low 15's your car weighs 300lbs less bu has 50hp less also. i'd think with a good driver i would expect a r/t to run mid 15's at best. but weight and hp isn't everything so......

unless his Z24 is suppose to run 17.1 in the 1320, i don't see anything fishy about the race.

209 neon... Ill shut up now... haha... I guess you got me... I didnt know they would run that fast with small bolt ons... I just underestimated neons, like many other people... But as of now... Ive never been beaten by one let alone kept up with so I guess that made me think there all slow. Most of the ones I see around here are just rice with mufflers, body kits, shitty wings, and stupid decals. Thanks for the enlightenment,its always good to learn new things. See you around the posts.

well like i said on a good day the Z24 can run 15.8's with a good launch. And thats stock. And im only about 1,000 bucks away from getting my supercharger which will put me at 190HP and almost 200 lbs of TQ. Other people that i have talked about who put it on their cars, ran high to mid 14's with just the Supercharger.

209 neon... Ill shut up now... haha... I guess you got me... I didnt know they would run that fast with small bolt ons... I just underestimated neons, like many other people... But as of now... Ive never been beaten by one let alone kept up with so I guess that made me think there all slow. Most of the ones I see around here are just rice with mufflers, body kits, shitty wings, and stupid decals. Thanks for the enlightenment,its always good to learn new things. See you around the posts.

I understand dude, theirs alot of people out their that doubt the potential of neons due to the lack of knowledge and the over riced out image stupied people give these cars....................I guess its where your from and where Im from the guys that have neons are pretty quick.......... one of my friends from college had a dohc with alittle more bolt ons than me, built bottom and 150 shot of nitrous and hit 12flat......personally I really dont care about nitrous Im more of an allmotor kind of guy...........

hmm well around here neons are all rice, i think ive only ever seen one SRT4 by me. The rest are either R/Ts or SOHC. And a stock neon is so slow its scary. My buddy had a SOHC 16v 2.0L 5 spd neon and i used to have a 95 2.2L cavalier auto, and we used to race all the time. The cars were dead even and my car was a mid-high 17 second car.

that is scary...........