I thought i'd step away from cars for a bit and draw a bike. This is WIP of a '75 Harley Low-rider. This will take me more time than the cars, because of the high detail level. It took about 6 hours for the outline. Up to date, i have spent around 9 hours.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9291/1975HarleyLowriderstage1.jpg

man this one is gonna turn out like crap!!! :disappoin
















awe i couldn't help it. your work is amazing and this one is gonna be awesome. ive seen a lot of drawings of bikes and every one has put a lot of detail into the engine. i wanna see this one

Really nice looking, can't wait to see it finished!

Dammit Alex. Quit drawing, let someone else have the spotlight for once. *joking*

That looks amazing so far. I cant wait to see the detail on the engine

Go Away! Your making the rest of us look bad!









:thumbsup:

thats awesome, did you use a grid for that bike? It should look amazing when its done

Go Away! Your making the rest of us look bad!


:iagree:

its all good!!! i drew a bike meself but it aint so good

Hey Alex it looks ok if I squent my eyes or stand 50 ft. back from my monitor. :lol:


Nahh, that is awesome. So what are you using to color that?

Thx

Alfred

im gonna throw a bit of cold water on this .......9 hours!!! just half way that too and from what i hear u use the grid technique for outlining...ive seen the work of other users... but cmon guys if u had 20 hours to spare on one drawin u guys tellin me u cudnt do better

Im not tryin to bring this guy down but i think the rest of u cud do just as well

damn sweet !!!

looks great, can't wait to see it finished

im gonna throw a bit of cold water on this .......9 hours!!! just half way that too and from what i hear u use the grid technique for outlining...ive seen the work of other users... but cmon guys if u had 20 hours to spare on one drawin u guys tellin me u cudnt do better


I don't think art should be judged by how long it takes.

It should be judged by the result.

Sure it took him 9 hours, but I now of plenty of people who could try and try and not produce something like that in 9 hours.

time shud be taken into consideration for one reason and thats cos things turn out better the more time u spend on anything (and plus this guy practically traced the outline)... like i sed im not bringin this guy down ..far from it.. i admire his patience..and relative skill ,but im sayin with 20 hours on hand a lot of the others users who posted pretty decent stuff cud do just as well if not better

time shud be taken into consideration for one reason and thats cos things turn out better the more time u spend on anything (and plus this guy practically traced the outline)... like i sed im not bringin this guy down ..far from it.. i admire his patience..and relative skill ,but im sayin with 20 hours on hand a lot of the others users who posted pretty decent stuff cud do just as well if not better

That is completely false. I have seen people here spend as much as 40hours on drawings and they still look bad. Some people just arent artists, and no matter how long they spend on a drawing it still wont look great. Not to mention you have to have the eye for detail and reflection. I myself have spent hundreds of hours on drawing cars in color and I still cant. Its not an issue of time at all, its and issue of skill, and natural talent.

Wow that is great looking.

time shud be taken into consideration for one reason and thats cos things turn out better the more time u spend on anything (and plus this guy practically traced the outline)... like i sed im not bringin this guy down ..far from it.. i admire his patience..and relative skill ,but im sayin with 20 hours on hand a lot of the others users who posted pretty decent stuff cud do just as well if not better

Thats quite enough, ya hear?

You're not giving constructive criticism, in fact, you're not even talking about the drawing. And as much as you may deny it, you are bringing him down, and I don't tolerate that. So clean it up, or leave.

does't look like a drawing:P looks stunning!

thanks for your comments. i'll post more progress soon. And jeep_rubicon, yes i did use a grid.

those bikes look really hard to draw even with a grid, too many open engine parts.

Thats quite enough, ya hear?

You're not giving constructive criticism, in fact, you're not even talking about the drawing. And as much as you may deny it, you are bringing him down, and I don't tolerate that. So clean it up, or leave.

oh no...tims got his ban stick out ready for action...

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4189/Monkey20Holding20A20Baseball20Batcopy.jpg

^ lol

im guna have to get me sum prisma colour pencils and try sum colour drawings, woop

very nice, wowza

Here is more progress:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6770/harleylowriderstage2.jpg

Slidenride: I was taught the grid method in school, and i use it to get the proportions as accurately as possible. My ref pics are always smaller than my drawings so its never "traced". Besides, many great, professional artists(including da vinci) have used the grid method. if you seriousley need proof, go to www.artskills.com/gridhistory.htm

As for the time put into my work, i spend that amount because it is a hobby i enjoy. The time isn't an issue for me. I spend the necessary time to get the results i am happy with. I recently came across an artist who had spent 250 hours on a pencil portrait. The picture is incredible and i know that i'm not capable of drawing like that no matter how many hours i spend. Time is not an issue.

As for the time put into my work, i spend that amount because it is a hobby i enjoy. The time isn't an issue for me. I spend the necessary time to get the results i am happy with. I recently came across an artist who had spent 250 hours on a pencil portrait. The picture is incredible and i know that i'm not capable of drawing like that no matter how many hours i spend. Time is not an issue.

Thats so amazing man, cant wait to see it finished! And as for the quote, you got a pic of this portrait? It sounds sweet

that's coming along well :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Here's the site kustmace
arminmersmann.artroof.com
click on work in progress. the drawings of stigmata and preston jones are very inspring to me.

THOSE ARE INSANE!!! wow that's simply amazing... i can see why your inspired by it...

thought id post it so everyone could see without going to the link and everything:

Stigmata
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/7/6/3/3/5/53367fs.jpg

Portrait of Larry Butcher
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/8/7/7/2/5/52778fs.jpg

Portrait of Linda Menger
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/0/8/7/2/5/52780fs.jpg


Portrait of Charles Breed
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/7/7/7/2/5/52777fs.jpg

Portrait of Russell Thayer
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/1/8/7/2/5/52781fs.jpg

Annie Lavine
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/7/1/5/3/5/53517fs.jpg

Don Carlyon
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/2/0/8/4/5/54802fs.jpg

Full Circle
http://arminmersmann.artroof.com/images/6/0/8/4/5/54806fs.jpg


I also urge everyone to check out the site! Its amazing!

Excellent work Alex!!

I could spend 9 hours looking at this piece.

Awesome.

-Lemorris

so far that looks like a picture, one thing im not sure cuz its a bike but on the handle bar, the orange blinker lights, the one farther to us u drew bigger and the closer smaller, its the wrong way, i think!?!? as i said i dont noe about bikes/ bike drawings, nice drawing by the way.

So these drawings dont look real at all? *sarcasm*

I wonder what bonzelite will say this time...

All im asking is one question..bear with me..if u were to do a piece in two hours and then take 20 hours do the same piece are u trying to tell me that both wud still be equally good?

For god's sake the only statement im disagreeing with is "u make the the rest of us look bad"..ra_15 's stuff is really good...and those insanely awesome renderings of bonzelite ..god knows whatll happen if he spends so much time on a piece...yes this guy's picture is awesome..mindblowing even..but there are others on this forum who deserve equal amount of praise... as far as constructive criticism is concerned ill put in my two cents (even tho i cant draw for nuts)...the fuel tank..somethin seems a wee bit off about it..i dunno

(even tho i cant draw for nuts0

Why dont you do what you are always preaching?

"If you spend the same time on a drawing as he does, then it will be equally good" Spend 20 hours on the same drawing Alex is doing, and then get back to me. See if your statement holds true.

i wasnt talkin bout me if u happenned to read more than one sentence...approach it with a more open mind ...u this guy's fan club president or somethin?

dude slidenride are you just lookin to get banned... i know tim and mike better than you and i'd watch out cause your gonna get it..... just tellin ya they wont hesitate to ban you

I was taught the grid method in school, and i use it to get the proportions as accurately as possible.

wow what school do you go to? i was tought the grid method when i was a soph. in high school. and your only 13 and was already tought it

nice work it is turning out very good

dude slidenride are you just lookin to get banned... i know tim and mike better than you and i'd watch out cause your gonna get it..... just tellin ya they wont hesitate to ban you

Someone seems to see the hints Im dropping...I do have my ban stick ready.

And I believe Tim already mentioned something as well.

mike \/ \/

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4311/Monkey20Holding20A20Baseball20Batcopy1.jpg

yes this guy's picture is awesome..mindblowing even..but there are others on this forum who deserve equal amount of praise...

And we give them plenty of praise as well. Now, seeing as how this is stuffbyalex's thread, why not quit trying to bring him down?

And even if we do bite and take your little argument, who are you to complain about us being too generous with praise? Does it really matter how long someone spends on a piece? Why not look at the final product instead of how long it took to get there.

Now, listen to lostprophets and GTmike400, they speak the truth.

mike \/ \/

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4311/Monkey20Holding20A20Baseball20Batcopy1.jpg

Sadly, that looks exactly like me.

LOL!

Sometimes I think the amount of time you spend on drawings is how good you are.

Stuffbyalex is probably the best drawer here, he spends around 20 hours.

Asaenz is really good and probably spend alot of time on his drawings

ilov2xlr8 is really good and spends about 8-10 hours

I'm just amazing (LOL *j/k*) and spend 2-6 hours

i spend 30 min and you can tell lol. i am getting better... and the bike.... must i repeat myself... absolutely amazing

I agree, I wish I could draw like that. Can't wait to see it finished.

I agree, I wish I could draw like that. Can't wait to see it finished.

Maybe slidenride can give you tips since he appears to know everything about drawing, or about everything for that matter.

Mike, buddy, thats enough man.

The Bike is looking sweet!:thumbsup:

Da----ang, Alex.

It looks so real.

You da man.

I really am amazed.

I cannot find any flaws but perhaps Bonzelite can....hee hee :lol:
Just messin Bonzelite :)

alf

hey guys, here is the final update:biggrin:

Its probably the most difficult one that i have drawn, cause of all the engine and wheel detail

And jeep_rubicon, thanks for pointing out the handlebar lights. theyre fixed... i think

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8527/1975HarleyDavidsonClassicLowRider.jpg

Wow. Sheer insanity. I can tell you've improved since the R34 drawing...I think I just shorted out the keyboard from drooling so much.

dude alex your too good *sarcasm* what do you plan on doin next?

*sigh* That is just amazing. Insanely amazing. Even the dirt on the spark plug wires. Looks just like a photo.

Great work. If i could spell any better all those words would be in this post.

i can't find anything to complain about. great work...im very proud of you son

aha! there's no shadow for the kickstand...... even though it doesn't have to be huge just add a little dark tones on the tip... it should meet the main shadow....

Ahh yes no shadow for the stand!

Looks rubish now! :D no, its you're best drawing yet by far! I can spend about 5 mins just looking at it.

That is completely false. I have seen people here spend as much as 40hours on drawings and they still look bad. Some people just arent artists, and no matter how long they spend on a drawing it still wont look great. Not to mention you have to have the eye for detail and reflection. I myself have spent hundreds of hours on drawing cars in color and I still cant. Its not an issue of time at all, its and issue of skill, and natural talent. :1:

yes. this is the brutal reality.

an addendum to it: the more you draw, the faster you draw; the more the skill flows through the resident talent. it is literally, too, a physiological metamorphosis. muscles and neuropaths are built up. therefore, the two must merge: skill must come up to meet the "talent volume per cubic meter," so to speak.

nothing will put a candle to your a$$ more quickly than a deadline. you will fake it till you make it, brother, i tell you that. drawn well or not, you gotta put out.

as for the motorbike, it is awesome. it looks like colored pencil. i don't care how long it took. it is spot-on. you are one helluva renderer.

:cheers:

i'll just post again, the more i look at that motorcycle, the more i love it. damn that is good.

i'm stunned.. you really should be making a living out of this.
Any plans on what you're doing next? I'd like to see something completely of your own design :)

Damn that looks awesome!

get some cash or credit saved up and make lithographed prints of it. save the original. then sell it for higher later if need be. don't just sell this one drawing.

at the least, make color copies of it and sell those to start generating income. then graduate to prints.

thanks again for the comments... especially bonzelite, they mean alot coming from you :bigthumb:

As for selling prints, i've considered this before, and thought about buying a booth at a swap meet of this one car show and selling. Actually, i've made some money with my artwork over the past couple years. Do you have any other suggestions on where i could possibly sell prints?

alex, you are very talented *and* skilled. when i saw the finished motorcycle come into view, i was floored. it is so excellent. it is just wonderful. it is technical, yet has humanity in it; it is not just a machine drawing. it is pleasant to gaze at for a long time, like a couch that is good to sleep on.

hmm. selling prints. you're spot-on with the booth at car shows, as i am gearing up to do just that by year's end. my company is "visual homage." i have a web page up: www.visualhomage.com

remember, too, to start off at small or "free" events. i have done 2 charity events thus far, giving away all proceeds to garner exposure and have a booth. booths at actual vendor shows are in the thousands of dollars to rent. i am warning you! at SEMA, for example, a 10x10 foot space is about $2000/event duration(typ.2 days). that does not include labor/hr to set it up, as they will not let you personally on the floor to do that.

selling prints can be tough unless you are consistently touring with your ensemble. if you have bikes, go to harley rides. if you have hot rods, go to those huge swap meets. if you have friends of friends who own or work at tuner shops or speed shops, or garages, have them hang a print up in their lobby to generate visibility. keep in mind the target consumers: hot-rodders and bikers are similar and often are seen in the same cruise nite.

i will reiterate that you should keep the original in most cases wherever possible: you can generate income off prints and copies, increasing the value of the original over time.

thanks again bonzelite. i appreciate your comments.

about the prints... i'm probably not ready yet to start selling. first, im going to have to draw a wider variety of cars. Right now, it's basically all exotic supercars and imports. other than that, i did one bike and one muscle car. i've decided that i'm going to start on a bel-air very soon, move on to something other than cars for a while(still life, portraits etc) then go back to classics and hot rods... maybe another bike or two.

also, i checked out your website, its great! :biggrin:

alex, it is good to build up a solid portfolio of a variety of things to discover what appeals to you enough to go the distance. success is often about out-enduring your competition.

this is the age of "narrow-casting" and "niche-marketing." in time, you will find this niche. and it may be right under your nose, yet years away to be discovered.

such is life.

Wow those are pencil portraits?!?!?!? That is bananas. Alex you are and should definitely keep doing your thing. The time thing is all relative, it all depends on the person.

For a designer, storyborder, or an illustrator to spend 9 hours on ONE drawing from the start of an outline to rendering would be very inefficient, but for "artists" it is not uncommon to spend anywhere from 20 to 200 hours on a full drawing--outline--shading--painting--finishing.

I admire people who can do the grid thing, I did once in grade school and hated it. It just takes all the fun out of it, takes too long, and it just way too structured a method for me to mess with. Maybe when I am an old man I try it again...





...on second thought I probably will be never have patience to grid anything by that time.

I guess i have to apologise a bit here i was looking at a designer perspective of it ...thanx to tokes for pointing it out

Christ... I bow down to you.. I am not worthy!

Seriously though, you must sell your stuff for a LOT of money...

Wow those are pencil portraits?!?!?!? That is bananas. Alex you are and should definitely keep doing your thing. The time thing is all relative, it all depends on the person.


Just want to clarify any confusion, the portraits are not by stuffbyalex. :)

thats beautiful... only critique i have is that the rear tire is not round! but its BEAUTIFUL!!!

I wouldn't care. The rear wheel could be square and it would still look beautiful! :D