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a007apl 01-15-2002, 11:08 PM a007apl 01-16-2002, 12:00 PM a007apl 01-26-2002, 09:33 AM XOTech 02-18-2002, 08:47 PM 007, I know you are quite good at finding pictures. Have you ever seen a picture of a yellow McLaren F1 roadcar? To be clear, I am looking for a yellow car and not the orange McLaren F1 LM and not the 1995 LeMans McLaren GTR car that is yellow. I am aware that only 2 original yellow cars were built. Some may have been repainted. I have looked at great lengths to find a picture or two without success. If anyone has information, it would be greatly appreciated. S Brake 02-25-2002, 07:20 PM I remember seeing one on the top gear video where tiff goes through the factory and drives one. pretty sweet! a007apl 02-26-2002, 07:27 AM a007apl 02-26-2002, 08:26 AM a007apl 02-26-2002, 10:09 AM XOTech ___________ it stows looking , for the time being I only found this: http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/7512894.jpg ( I dont know car certain )Later i hunt more. S Brake 02-26-2002, 05:10 PM I'm pretty sure thats an F1 LM from the wheels and how low it is to the ground. and its more orange than the yellow one he's after. XOTech 02-26-2002, 09:49 PM 007, Thanks for looking. I happen to have this image already. In fact, this car was entered in the 2000 Gumball Rally 3000 (it was either 1999 or 2000). The car is an LM. It is one of the few that are actually driven. I know who owns the car. I am not certain which of the 5 LM's it is, but it is an original LM. Good eye Snowboarder. Keep looking guys. I will post anything, if I find a picture of a Yellow car. Thanks. XOTech 02-26-2002, 09:55 PM Snowboarder, you are correct about the yellow McLaren you did see. I also have that video and have watched it several times. I don't have the computer equipment to be able to transfer the video image to the computer just yet. If I have to, I will get the necessary equipment to be able to do that. a007apl 02-26-2002, 10:22 PM a007apl 02-27-2002, 06:47 AM a007apl 02-27-2002, 08:24 AM a007apl 02-27-2002, 02:01 PM http://community.webshots.com/photo/21008478/21392352CdTUBLMmkE http://community.webshots.com/photo/21008478/21392401KcXcILNajQ http://community.webshots.com/photo/21008478/21392418XGSYmpJnNz http://community.webshots.com/photo/21008478/21048430pEMdODGTJS http://community.webshots.com/photo/21008478/21392346GSEbbLcynv http://community.webshots.com/photo/21008478/21392327BnsTAqKYsk _______________________________ http://community.webshots.com/album/21008478TbTjplfpvp a007apl 02-27-2002, 02:23 PM a007apl 02-27-2002, 03:37 PM a007apl 02-27-2002, 09:28 PM Porsche 02-28-2002, 08:21 AM WOW, that last pic is pretty amazing, well that guy is really, really, wealthy, a Ferrari 360 modena Spider, a Porsche 911 Turbo and a Mclaren F1? Well that well over 1.5 mil in cars! a007apl 02-28-2002, 11:30 AM S Brake 02-28-2002, 04:35 PM Originally posted by Porsche WOW, that last pic is pretty amazing, well that guy is really, really, wealthy, a Ferrari 360 modena Spider, a Porsche 911 Turbo and a Mclaren F1? Well that well over 1.5 mil in cars! I'm pretty sure that its a 360 coupe. Porsche 02-28-2002, 05:02 PM D'oh, well I was looking ta it at school, and couls barely tell that the Porsche was a Trubo, it really was dark, honest! XOTech 03-01-2002, 11:37 AM In those pictures with the 360 Coupe, the Porsche, and the McLaren, the McLaren is a very special car. It is XP4. The 4th prototype. The car was originally sold to a businessman in New Zealand, where I worked with him for over a year to buy the car for a client. As things would have it, we did not come to a final agreeable price. The car was shortly thereafter sold to a very prominant U.S. businessman in the San Francisco area where you see the pictures were taken. Porsche 03-01-2002, 07:08 PM How many Mclarens (F1's) do you know the history on? a007apl 03-01-2002, 09:22 PM a007apl 03-02-2002, 06:30 AM a007apl 03-02-2002, 06:56 AM a007apl 03-02-2002, 07:40 AM a007apl 03-02-2002, 07:43 AM a007apl 03-02-2002, 07:47 AM a007apl 03-05-2002, 08:41 AM XOTech 03-06-2002, 02:09 AM Great picture. There are very few pictures published of any of the red McLarens. There were three original McLarens that were red and one that was burgundy. You recently posted images of it. The concept car that is pictured on the cover of the Driving Ambition book was later repainted Burgundy and is featured in several pictures with the fitted luggage and a gas station publicity stunt despite the fact that the car had no engine. I do not know the current location of this car. I suspect Japan. a007apl 03-08-2002, 09:21 PM Originally posted by XOTech I do not know the current location of this car. I suspect Japan. http://www1.kcn.ne.jp/~mclaren/images/k4ikoma1.jpg I Hunt in".jp" sites now. a007apl 03-10-2002, 05:27 PM a007apl 03-10-2002, 07:00 PM XOTech 03-11-2002, 10:11 PM The pics of the car at Motorcars International was sold about 4-5 months ago. This is the very same car that was out at Newport Motorsports in Newport Beach, California for quite some time. a007apl 03-11-2002, 10:39 PM a007apl 03-13-2002, 08:55 PM XOTech 03-14-2002, 12:07 AM 007, I have still been unsuccessful in finding a picture of a Yellow McLaren F1 roadcar. This picture of the LM is one I had not seen. Great detective work as usual. a007apl 03-14-2002, 12:16 AM Originally posted by XOTech 007, I have still been unsuccessful in finding a picture of a Yellow McLaren F1 roadcar. This picture of the LM is one I had not seen. Great detective work as usual. it says me where it is and I it show,i hunt... a007apl 03-16-2002, 06:18 AM a007apl 03-16-2002, 07:45 AM http://www.cottingham.co.uk/macf1/ XOTech,where your yellow model roam!? a007apl 03-17-2002, 07:16 AM http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300051.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300052.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300053.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300054.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300055.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300056.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300057.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300058.jpg http://img.autonet.com.tw/test/19/a20300059.jpg http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/test/test_view.cgi?qry=a2030005191 http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/test/test_view.cgi?qry=a2030004191 a007apl 03-18-2002, 05:43 AM a007apl 03-20-2002, 01:54 PM XOTech 04-04-2002, 01:11 AM At long last, jkbon has forwarded me a couple images of a yellow McLaren. In fact, his images show both yellow McLarens originally made. You will note minor differences between them. Here are the pics for everyone. XOTech 04-04-2002, 01:20 AM Here is the other image. Many thanks to jkbon. Anyone else have pictures of the odd colored McLarens? hermunn123 04-04-2002, 08:21 PM first time i've seen a yellow F1! is that bottom one a prototype? XOTech 04-04-2002, 10:33 PM Hermunn, Good eye. The distinctions in the lower car are apparent and are very similar if not too close to the prototype. To be honest, I am not certain. To my knowledge, the prototype originally was silver then painted burgundy for some promotional photos and later repainted silver. I don't believe it was ever painted yellow. Although it is possible. I will make a couple calls to be sure. If it is not the prototype it is definitely early in production. Of the actual production figures, the first yellow car is too late to have the features indicative of the prototype. I would actually bet that the lower car is the prototype repainted yellow. I will make a call or two and find out for certain. jkbon 04-08-2002, 10:22 AM Here is an interesting link (I presume ... ;) ) with the chassis number and the corresponding color of all the Mclaren F1 and the history of the GTR. jkbon 04-08-2002, 10:23 AM Ferrariboy34 04-14-2002, 08:47 PM Here is a rare color, http://www.supraforums.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=268005 This was taken at the Pavillions in Scottsdale and this McLaren belongs to a guy who owns this an F40 (red), F50(yellow), 550 Maranello (Black) 355 Spider (Red) 360 Modena (Red), and thats all that i know he has. 007, if you could find any more pics of this McLaren (its in Scottsdale), that would be great, and XO if you could find any info one who this was sold to and the other cars he owns, that would also be appreciated. Thanks. Later hermunn123 04-14-2002, 10:21 PM all i got is a big red X jkbon 04-15-2002, 09:31 AM Hi FERRARIBOY34, This link is the answer to your question, maybe. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/4435/lastone.htm Ferrariboy34 04-15-2002, 10:38 PM Thanks for the help, was that car sold to a guy in scottsdale, or was that just the last McLaren Painted Orange because I know there is more then one orange road car, not LM or GTR. OO7, any pics would help and XOTech anything you can come up with helps too. Thanks again. Later a007apl 04-15-2002, 11:22 PM Originally posted by Ferrariboy34 ... OO7, any pics would help and XOTech anything you can come up with helps too... Later I Hunt more http://www.plus4.freeserve.co.uk/macf1/mac002.jpg XOTech 04-16-2002, 01:32 AM FerrariBoy, The car you saw in Scottsdale is actually owned by a gentleman I do business with here in the LA Area. He has quite a collection and his cars are often for sale in such publications as the DuPont Registry and various online sites. One of his more recent additions is the McLaren. I was able to see the car during its import conversion here in LA. I am unable to share his name. The link that jkbon included is the original news release regarding the very last McLaren built. It was given to Aziz Ojjeh as a concession from the factory for his involvement. It will more than likely never be for sale. The car spotted in Scottsdale was painted a similar color. It was originally silver. The owner wanted to paint the car the same color as the last McLaren (Yquem), but the factory would not release the official paint code information. So the owner proceeded to create his own rendition of the color. After several paint samples and considerable paint mixing and procedures, a color was selected that, in his description is far more vibrant than the Yquem color. I will fully agree that the car is astonishingly attractive. True indeed, that it is hard to make a McLaren look bad, but I can't say that the metallic green, or white are to my liking at all. As far as other orange cars, there of course, were the 5 LMs, the last car #075 (Yquem), and now this car that was silver. Aside from those, there has been another car that was a GTR that was white that has been converted to European road use. It has been made to look like an LM and is the LM orange color. Those are the only orange cars I am aware of. a007apl 04-21-2002, 05:48 PM a007apl 04-25-2002, 09:31 PM hermunn123 04-25-2002, 09:47 PM the above F1 GTR(05R) participated in the '95 24 Hours of LeMans. it got 13th place and finished 266 laps. it was driven by Jean-Luc Maury-Laribiere, Marc Sourd, and Herve Poulain. did ya know that? a007apl 04-25-2002, 09:56 PM Originally posted by hermunn123 the above F1 GTR(05R) participated in the '95 24 Hours of LeMans. it got 13th place and finished 266 laps. it was driven by Jean-Luc Maury-Laribiere, Marc Sourd, and Herve Poulain. did ya know that? NO,why? hermunn123 04-25-2002, 10:12 PM i was just wondering.... i saw that car and pulled out my F1 book and looked it up. decided to enlighten you on some random facts. a007apl 04-25-2002, 10:27 PM Originally posted by hermunn123 i was just wondering.... i saw that car and pulled out my F1 book and looked it up. decided to enlighten you on some random facts. Very Good its interest, this car gained the race? a007apl 04-27-2002, 07:36 AM Before,i dont view this color in this Model S Brake 04-27-2002, 06:02 PM That looks like the mclaren on need for speed high stakes, very nice! a007apl 04-27-2002, 06:42 PM Originally posted by snowboarder That looks like the mclaren on need for speed high stakes, very nice! This is Roadcar,GT,other? a007apl 04-27-2002, 08:30 PM hermunn123 04-28-2002, 12:59 AM Originally posted by a007apl This is Roadcar,GT,other? to me it looks like a normal F1 with an LM wing. a007apl 04-28-2002, 06:17 AM Originally posted by hermunn123 to me it looks like a normal F1 with an LM wing. TKX,First Model of this Fusion is my "Pic-Link".:D ,now,others more?!? a007apl 04-28-2002, 08:46 PM http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/96/67/31989667mTPwZkXfOj_ph.jpg http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/50/31989750VXwnhefxNk_ph.jpg http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/54/31989754vIuYFPWlcz_ph.jpg http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/56/31989756kTRjGzGoeg_ph.jpgps.:look the Garage a007apl 04-28-2002, 08:49 PM a007apl 04-30-2002, 08:03 AM S Brake 04-30-2002, 06:15 PM that one is too long to be a normal F1, its a GTR converted to a roadcar. the rest of the pics are all just red x's jkbon 07-17-2002, 10:38 AM XOTech 08-01-2002, 01:17 AM For those with further interest, the orange car in the pictures in the above website link is currently for sale. Please PM for further details. cujo_s13 12-26-2002, 06:58 AM Not sure if these are real or not, Judge for yourself: http://www.mclaren.f1fans.net/Flash_entrance/Mclaren_pics/Gallery_4/mclaren_f1_17.gif http://www.mclaren.f1fans.net/Flash_entrance/Mclaren_pics/Gallery_5/mclaren_f1_36.gif SuPeRcAr_MaN 12-28-2002, 04:21 PM Snowboarder, I love that die-cast Enzo Ferrari. :) Where'd you get that? (I collect nice die-cast cars since that's the closest I'll ever get to the real things.) S Brake 12-28-2002, 10:29 PM Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN Snowboarder, I love that die-cast Enzo Ferrari. :) Where'd you get that? (I collect nice die-cast cars since that's the closest I'll ever get to the real things.) exoticar (www.exoticar.com) meleka 01-04-2003, 09:40 PM Originally posted by XOTech 007, I know you are quite good at finding pictures. Have you ever seen a picture of a yellow McLaren F1 roadcar? To be clear, I am looking for a yellow car and not the orange McLaren F1 LM and not the 1995 LeMans McLaren GTR car that is yellow. I am aware that only 2 original yellow cars were built. Some may have been repainted. I have looked at great lengths to find a picture or two without success. If anyone has information, it would be greatly appreciated. it is faisalkhan 01-05-2003, 01:08 PM I love the McLaren...do you have a site with all your pictures? Or, could you please mail them to me? I would love to see themv all/use them as a screensaver. Many thanks, Faisal. meleka 01-05-2003, 02:19 PM Originally posted by faisalkhan I love the McLaren...do you have a site with all your pictures? Or, could you please mail them to me? I would love to see themv all/use them as a screensaver. Many thanks, Faisal. i use Site Search (www.ubbi.com)to found photos of my arquives lowridder11 01-09-2003, 04:38 PM cool XOTech 01-09-2003, 11:11 PM Meleka, Yet another great picture of one of the two Yellow McLarens. Thanks for posting. jkbon 01-21-2003, 10:08 AM It's the first time i see a McLaren with such rims ! www.motorcities.com/contents/02K7L505909212.html TexasF355F1 01-21-2003, 01:08 PM XOTech, I live in Houston and was curious if you know how many if any McLarens currently reside in Texas. With as many lamborghini's and ferrari's i have seen here, I know my day will come to see one and snap as many photos as I possibly can. I don't know if you know this or not, but would just like to know so I can keep a more watchful eye out for one. Thanks. cujo_s13 01-22-2003, 03:13 AM Originally posted by jkbon It's the first time i see a McLaren with such rims ! www.motorcities.com/contents/02K7L505909212.html Notice the semi-racing tires he has on the back too. I wonder what he has planned!!! :flash: XOTech 01-23-2003, 08:51 PM The wheels on the orange McLaren were installed specifically for the SEMA show. The car was used in cooperation with the Hummer to showcase some of the products by a particular manufacturer. As it were the company also sells wheels. This is the same car that has been spotted in the Pheonix area several times. It was also at the Concorso Italiano and Pebble Beach last year in August. I know the car quite well. It was on the cover of Road & Track just a couple of months ago as well. It is also for sale. Of course, the original wheels will accompany the car. Texas, To my current knowledge, there are two McLarens in the Texas area with a third soon to join the ranks. I believe that only one of them is in the Houston area, but the others may visit from time to time. jkbon 01-27-2003, 08:39 AM It's the prototype, i think, because the photos was taken in 1993 in France. http://www.chez.com/titi78/photos/salon_sports_meca93/mclaren_f1_01.jpg http://www.chez.com/titi78/photos/salon_sports_meca93/mclaren_f1_02.jpg Which color is it exactly ? Orange, burgundy ? TexasF355F1 01-27-2003, 02:32 PM Thanks for your reply XOTech. I will definately have to keep a closer eye out now when I'm home visiting my parents. If theres one in the area theres only a matter of time before i see it. I will now have my camera ready at all times just in case. Thanks again! eb110ss4life 01-30-2003, 10:08 AM Originally posted by meleka it is that mclaren in that picture is for sdale, or was, its at/ was at www.qv500.com/ one more thing, heres another yellow mclare picture that i have on my computer. this picture, is taken of the yellow mclaren, is the offical mclaren that is constantly kept on mclaren front entrance etc etc etc , you get my drift. i also believe, it was also one of the first to be produced, but im not sure so dont quote me on that one. eb110ss4life 01-30-2003, 10:09 AM again XOTech 02-06-2003, 03:08 AM jkbon, I could not get the links you posted to work properly. Try to repost them and I will take a look and be able to comment on the car. eb110, As for the Yellow car, there were only two original yellow cars produced. One was a 1994 (late that year) and the other was a late 1996 car. jkbon 02-06-2003, 08:15 AM Peloton25 02-06-2003, 05:00 PM http://a4.cpimg.com/image/34/BF/16385844-c7f0-02170159-.jpg In regards to this photo of the Yellow F1 that appears to be a prototype, there is a story I have heard that XP2 was once painted Yellow for a customer who couldn't decide between Yellow or Silver. It's quite possible that it is XP2, though I'm not sure that it was ever publicly displayed, especially in that color. Also, at the MIRA crash test XP2's front end didn't have the fog lights that are seen in this photo and did have a makeshift front turn signal that is not seen in this photo. The same story is told here, though it is in Portuguese so you'll probably need a translator: http://www.uol.com.br/bestcars/colunas/estrada-117.htm You can try this link which should work for translation or simply go to Google's Language page and enter the above URL. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uol.com.br%2Fbestcars %2Fcolunas%2Festrada-117.htm&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools It's still a little rough after translation so maybe there's someone here that can do a better job or I'll try asking at another site. = = = = = I'm actually more inclined to believe that it's the Clinic Model - though like XOTech, I have never heard that car being painted any other color than Silver or Burgundy. The reason I suspect that it's the Clinic Model is that it has those eyebrow lines on the bodywork just above the headlights and is without the front turn indicators as I previously mentioned. Besides the Clinic Model, the only other F1 I have seen with those characteristics was XP1. One difference from XP1 - but similarity with the Clinic Model is that the bottom portion of the outside headlamp is cut off at the bottom by the 'floor' of the headlamp housing. To my knowledge, XP1 was never painted and as most of you probably know it was destroyed in a fire that followed a severe crash in the Nambian desert while undergoing hot weather testing by BMW test driver Roman Scherer. It would be interesting if someone knew where and when this photo was taken as it might help in determining which car that really is. It's possible that the person who told the story of XP2 being painted Yellow was mistaken and really meant to refer to the Clinic Model - I can't be positive on that. I do not believe it to be a production car at all though. = = = = = XOTech - In response to this: As far as other orange cars, there of course, were the 5 LMs, the last car #075 (Yquem), and now this car that was silver. Aside from those, there has been another car that was a GTR that was white that has been converted to European road use. It has been made to look like an LM and is the LM orange color. Those are the only orange cars I am aware of. Chassis #071 was an F1 road car - the 61st built - and was finished in Historic Orange. Chapter 17 of "Driving Ambition" details the production process of #71 with photos of this car from start to finish of assembly at Genesis beginning on page #188. I have a small suspicion that this may have been the car that was purchased by Micromuse CEO, Christopher Dawes though as I once read that his car was Orange. I know that the car that he died in was not his own, but I recall you saying once that the location of the car that he owned was in question and that it may have been seized by the government in light of his drug trial. Also, maybe you can address this as well. There are numerous conflicting stories on the paint color of the 5 LMs. Initially, and several times since I have read that they were all to be finished in Historic "Paypaya" Orange, as that is McLaren's traditional racing color. However, several other sources including "Driving Ambition - The Official Inside Story..." list only three of the 5 LMs as being finished in Historic Orange and state that the other two (LM01 & LM04) were painted "Black + Graphics". Do you have any information that could settle this great debate, or could you find this out through your contacts when you have the opportunity?? One final note at the end of this incredibly long post, is that I know of at least two GTRs that have undergone their road going transformation and come out looking like LM's being painted Historic Orange. In fact there is even a series of photos where both cars appear together at the factory undergoing servicing. Incidentally, I'm not correcting you so much as just letting you know. With all the changes that each new customer likes to make to their McLaren it becomes difficult to keep track of them. I do consider it disappointing that they would refinish a GTR to look almost exactly like an F1 LM. The LMs uniqueness, in my opinion, should have been ensured much like the uniqueness of the last road car's color was in the situation you described regarding Dan Kennedy's McLaren. Oh yeah - and do you know the production number of Dan's F1. I was going to send him an email through his site - www.mclarenforsale.com - but I'm not a "serious principal" when it comes to purchasing so I didn't really want to bother him. By your own account that his car was originally silver, that gives us #001, #006, #009, #010, #012, #013, #033, #037, #038, #040, #042, #044, #045 & finally #050 as possibilities to choose from :D being built prior to 1996. If you don't know, you could just pick any one. ;) >8^) ER Peloton25 02-06-2003, 05:58 PM Oh yeah - as if I haven't said enough already - here's the three shots of the Yellow F1 that was for sale on the QV500.com website. >8^) ER Peloton25 02-06-2003, 05:58 PM #2 >8^) ER Peloton25 02-06-2003, 05:59 PM ...and finally #3. >8^) ER lowridder11 02-06-2003, 07:34 PM nice pics XOTech 02-07-2003, 12:27 AM Peloton, Here is my evaluation to the best I can determine. The yellow car in question is none other than the Clinic car. My studies have determined only one difference. You will note the yellow car pictured at a car show of sorts shares the following similarities with the Clinic car... Driving Lights The very early non-rubber strip mounted Bumper (the version including the Driving Lights) Black Fender Stripe (actually the Idling Air Exit Vent used with the front Suction concept) The vent is painted black and looks more like a stripe than a vent. It is truely a vent. No front Turn Signals The only difference from the Clinic Car is the adaption of the Low Mirrors as opposed to the High Mirrors used on the Clinic Car. It would be my estimation that McLaren Cars chose to repaint the car for the third time (1: Silver 2: Burgundy 3:Yellow). In doing so, they took that opportunity to remove the High Mirrors as a result of not passing requirements in certain countries with the High Mirrors. To eliminate too much interest from incoming buyers, I would suggest that they essentially "hid" the high mirrors in the "Concept Car only" addage. The reason that this car is not XP2 as was suggested in the Portuguese article is as follows.. XP1 was the most like the Clinic Car. It had the Driving Lights (although removed for the testing in the Nambian desert before the crash), the early front Bumper and NO turn signals. However, XP1 DID have the Idling Air Exit Vent (although void of the accompanying Suction System). The system, as you all well know, was deemed too complicated and expensive compared to value added so it was eliminated from further production. XP1 also had Low Mirrors. We also know that XP1 was lost before ever being painted at all. It was tested in raw carbon (with the exception of a protective clear coat). Quite attractive in my opinion. So with the highest degree of similarity to the Clinic Car, it was never painted so clearly the yellow car is not XP1 XP2 was used for the "Roll-over" test (set on its top and observe egress/exit sinerios) and then given to BMW for engine evaluation. It is unknown how long BMW had XP2 for their use or if any pictures were taken and made public over the years. Once XP2 was returned from BMW, it was prepped for the crash testing at MIRA in the summer of 1993. XP2 had the Driving Lights (also removed for the MIRA crash test), Low Mirrors, DID have the Idling Air Exit Vent (although also void of the accompanying Suction System), and the early front Bumper, but DID have turn signals. They are different than the final production version, but the cutouts were the same as that used for the newer style as noted on XP3. Also noted, is the first indication of the small oval in the very center of the front nose. This oval was a removable, clip in panel that would provide access to afix the license plate bracket. It is unknown whether XP2 was ever painted anything other than the exposed carbon fiber (essentially clear) and later the MIRA test Flat Blue with a flat white base coat. The addition of the turn signal cutouts and the small oval panel in the nose are the only indications that determines the yellow car is clearly not XP2. XP3 was used for excessive track testing at MIRA. It did have Driving Lights, the early nose, Low Mirrors, but the Idling Air Exit Vents have completely and finally disappeared. Also the turn signals are more closely styled to final production. Without further detail, XP3 is clearly not the yellow car. XP4 and XP5 both continue with the cutout turn signals and other details closer and closer to final production. Suffice to say, the yellow car is the Clinic car repainted and with refitted Low Mirrors. By the careful study of the picture, I see the sign that is written in English and may be in a museum somewhere in the U.S. or even England. It is hard to say. Unless there is someone that knows more information about the picture, I expect that is the extent of what we will ever know. Very good observations Peloton. As for Orange cars... Without referring to my foldout McLaren production poster, I neglected to include the Historic Orange #071. I am not able to confirm whether Dawes did buy this very car, but it does hold with what I have heard as well. There was #075 (very last car made) Yquem. There is also #016 called Aubergine (I have no idea what color this is). #017 was Clypso Red Pearl (I have no idea what this color looked like). Other original orange cars were the LMs, but as you I see that two cars were listed as Black with graphics. I am uncertain as to the meaning of this and cannot confirm whether all 5 were orange or not. I would expect they are not all orange as we have been led to believe. Also, with the advent of many owners returning their cars to the factory to be retrofitted as "LM's", it is even harder to tell without a cross check with the serial number listing. I have seen a black, a charcoal, a silver, an electric blue, and other orange LM look-alikes. As mentioned, there is the repainted Orange car (previously silver) in the Arizona area (I have been asked not to disclose the Chassis # on this car. I can say that is not #001, or #009). There was a GTR that was white and repainted orange and converted to European road use (LM look-alike). And finally, I also found a longtail GTR that was repainted orange and converted for European road use. Once again a overly large post, but hopefully worth the effort. I have definitely spent some time reviewing what I knew and checking all the details for certain. Thank you Peloton for pointing out some details I had forgotten and I hope I was able to bring a few others to light. Undoubtedly, there will be items of mystery about the McLaren that will never be solved. Such is the intrigue that we have come to love about the car. faisalkhan 02-07-2003, 09:18 AM this is a dark burgundy or purple colour. the brits refer to eggplants as aubergines. drewwtms 02-17-2003, 04:23 PM Greetings McLaren fans! I have been reading this thread all day with great interest. Chassis #007 sits here in our showroom with some other BMW-related parts. My personal McLaren interest has quadrupled since its new owner purchased it two years ago. Here are is a link to pictures of Chassis #007: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/project_mclaren.shtml In addition I will include this interesting link on this particular car and the owner (a magazine article done in the BMW Car Club's Roundel magazine): http://www.bmwcca.org/Roundel/2002/11/Article_1.shtml Thanks to everyone who posted. I am now a smarter McLaren caretaker. Also, if anyone is in the Boston area feel free to stop by. Porsche 02-18-2003, 05:36 PM I thought that particular car was just in for serivce? Is Turner Motorsport the exclusive serivce provider for the car (you) or do they actually own it? BTW, do you work for Turner? It's an awesome place, I was looking at some BMW stuff on your site a LONG time ago, and I came across #007. drewwtms 02-19-2003, 09:39 AM TMS does more than the service. The owner of this car is a customer of TMS (we built an M3 racecar for him) and also a driver on our World Challenge Touring Car team (BMW 325i). The car is used quite regularly by TMS and its owner - often taken to our races and SCCA and BMW CCA events in the Northeast. Currently, the car is in winter storage in our showroom (along with a very low mileage 1990 M3). We have done quite a bit of the smaller maintenace on the car. The major work is handled by a McLaren Service Center in New Jersey. More pictures: drewwtms 02-19-2003, 09:47 AM Shifter/Build Plaque/Gordon Murray signature. I have a question for XOTech. Do you know how many of the cars came signed by Gordon Murray? I had heard that the first 13 cars or so were signed inside by the car's creator. drewwtms 02-19-2003, 09:58 AM And one more of the front (with Will Turner behind the wheel). XOTech 02-20-2003, 03:26 AM drewwtms, My indication also suggests that only 13 cars were originally hand-signed by Gordon Murray in the way shown on #007. I am aware of at least 2 other car owners that have returned a component to Gordon for his signature. I don't suppose you have pictures of his other car as well, the LM. drewwtms 02-20-2003, 09:55 AM I did have some pictures at one point of the car in England somewhere. Alas, a cleanup of our picture storage has either erased them or banished them to a far off place. I will surely put pictures up when I see the car. Peloton25 02-20-2003, 11:16 PM Drew - thanks so much for sharing the info and photos on Frank's McLaren F1. I added the pictures to the nearly 90 that I already had of his car. Before that Roundel article came out I actually had a conversation with someone at another forum who stated that the #007 car probably belonged to Will Turner since it was covered in the TMS stickers. Then someone else argued that it was another man who owned the car and was certainly not Will, but he didn't know the name. I did a little more digging and came up with Frank's name, but the original guy said there was no way that Frank could afford the F1 seeing as how he had to lease his M3 race car from you guys. I guess he found logic in that scenario. :D With the F1's there's so many rumors that circulate the web it's hard to know what to believe. I was happy to see that I had been right when the article was printed. Thanks also for the invitation to come and visit - I really wish I was closer as I would most certainly take you up on that. A couple of things: Can you confirm whether Frank owns two or three McLaren's. I know that the Roundel article you linked us to mentions just the two cars, but I have also heard that he owns a '97-spec F1 GTR long tail as well as an LM, making for a total of three. What of that is true? And if it's only two cars, is the other one really one of the 5 true F1 LM's or is it a long tail GTR or is it neither of those? I'm assuming based on XO-Tech's question that it is indeed an LM but the article claims that his other car was one of the last cars produced in 1997 while all of the F1 LM's were built in 1996. Second related question - Is Frank still working on trying to bring this 2nd (and 3rd if true) F1 to the US? I understand the laws and regulations that are keeping it out, but XO-Tech seems convinced that someone will find a way to properly certify 1996 and later F1's in the US someday. It would be cool to know if Frank is working on being the first to do so especially since he already has a strong reason to being that he owns one. Lastly, if Frank's other car is truly one of the LM's, would you have any way of knowing if it's the car in these three photos?? http://a3.cpimg.com/image/D7/E5/8943063-a37c-02800168-.jpg http://a0.cpimg.com/image/D4/E5/8943060-35e3-028001E0-.jpg http://a2.cpimg.com/image/D6/E5/8943062-033f-028001E0-.jpg Thanks in advance for any more info you can provide. >8^) ER I-Tech 02-21-2003, 10:27 AM I haven't got patience enough to read all 8 pages, so don't bitch if some have already been posted: f1 (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~anchsa/mclarenpics.htm) f1 2 (http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/exoticarsparadise/picsofmclarenf1.htm) drewwtms 02-21-2003, 12:22 PM Wow, there are some pretty well-informed people here! I'm both happy and a little scared that there is so much "free" information out there. I am certainly glad that I found a forum with similarly informed persons. Here we go: Frank does have more than one McLaren. The black one is #007 and is a 1994 model. The LM in the pictures is a genuine LM and is owned by Frank. I am very surprised that you have those pictures as I did not think they were on the web anywhere. I have not heard of anything new regarding the third McLaren. I believe the Roundel story got the LM and another model mixed up. He does not own a 1997 F1 GTR long-tail. Bringing the LM to the US is being looked at. Frank is the man to do it if the decision is finalized. I think Frank is exactly the customer that McLaren had in mind when they designed the car. The LM is the ultimate rendition of their philosophy. It would be a shame to have the LM and not be able to use it your own country. I am more than a little surprised at the level of information that is out there. I wish I knew more about Frank's McLarens. However, my focus at Turner Motorsport is more on the BMW side of the business. My contact with Frank is not regular so I do not wish to speak for him or for TMS. Perhaps if I talk with him more I can pass on better information. Thanks for posting those pictures. It will be nice to have them again. Peloton25 02-21-2003, 01:01 PM Drew - Check your email :cool: >8^) ER jkbon 05-05-2003, 10:20 AM http://www.passion-auto.com/HTML/start.htm then "Nos Photos" and ... Mclaren these guys just wait next to a french highway to photograph incredible and exceptional vehicles ... vBulletin®, Copyright ©2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
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