ok guys im really discouraged by my front wheel drive on my gst. the car is great and has so much potential but the FF is such a draw back. i cant afford a 97-99 gsx so i was thinking of getting another car and many went thru my head. supra, rx7, 3000gt, mr2 (NO HONDAS!) but most dint appeal to me as the 240sx with the sr20 swap or the rb25 swap. i know i might get a lot of bias reponses since it is the eclipse forum but which car would i get the better numbers out off? gst (ff) or 240sx (fr). thank guys.

Better numbers, you mean 1/4 mile times?
What can't you afford about a GSX? Get a year or two older and it's the same price. Or get an AWD Talon. If you modify a RWD very much, you'll lose traction all over the place too.

I doubt a late model Supra, RX7, or 3000gt will be as cheap as a GSX. By the way, 3000gt's are heavy and expensive to modify.
I DO love rx7, supra, mr2 and GSX all though, so I wouldn't mind owning any of them. GSX/mr2 are cheapest to buy, and GSX is cheaper to make fast.

I would rather drive a 240sx than a GST(but since turbo upgrade...I can't let go ... nothing better than spool up) If you get an 98 240sx $5000-$9000 and swap an sr20det $5000 you are alreaddy at $10000-$14000. and you will still have something like your GST just with RWD + if you wanna put an RB25T in... then you'll have the same than with your GST NO TRACTION!!! better go with an rb20t but it is still more $$$, so after all this counting $$$ you are better up getting an 95GSX $6000 and up, and upgrade that... for less

You can get '<92 VR4's for under $6000, '89-91(i think) supras even cheaper, and the older <'92 RX7's too, but like JoeWagon said... none of the newer/late models will be affortable, if you cant affort an GSX

well i can get the 98 240sx as a trade in and a swap ill cost me only the sr20 front clip ill put in myself. and i dont wanna go down in years cuz i dont like the looks of the older model eclipses and dont wanna put cash into the body to make it look like the 97-99 eclipses. but rwd set up is so much better than ff. anybody disagree?

wait I thought the only diff between the 97-99 and the 95-97 were the head lights and reverse lights (body wise). I can't say too much for the 240sx but I really like the rx7 hell, it inspired me to think up, design, and put on cad , a rotory engin of my own. might be worth something later who knows. :smokin: they are picky lil bastards though, good luck.
no hondas though
:iagree:

240's over priced now with all the ricers rushing to buy em. Stick with an eclipse.

ok guys im really discouraged by my front wheel drive on my gst. the car is great and has so much potential but the FF is such a draw back. i cant afford a 97-99 gsx so i was thinking of getting another car and many went thru my head. supra, rx7, 3000gt, mr2 (NO HONDAS!) but most dint appeal to me as the 240sx with the sr20 swap or the rb25 swap. i know i might get a lot of bias reponses since it is the eclipse forum but which car would i get the better numbers out off? gst (ff) or 240sx (fr). thank guys.





both cars are coo the eclipse has a lot of power when fixed up but if you just want to be fast i would go with the 240sx because you can swap a sr20 det its better than the regular sr20 because the det is turbo and runs about 13.4 stock if your an experienced driver.

240's over priced now with all the ricers rushing to buy em. Stick with an eclipse.




hell ya i feel ya i been having my eclipse for a long time now everyone wants to start racing but they cant hang with the gsx 14.9 1/4 mile. so hell ya stick with an eclipse.

yeah i know ur exited but remember i have a gst not gsx which means no awd. i have fwd and rwd is so much better and no one can disagree. and a lot of people are rushing to buy them but that means good for me cuz more parts for me to buy from pepz who get tired of them and cant work on them and more people buying means more prices cheaper and new better products. come on guys i need a better argument than that.

I personally rather the 90-93s
my next car will either be that or a 1JZ MKIII

Yeah I was looking at a 1993 240sx if I would get one but since I drag more I was going to turbo the KA. I'm not sure though, I'm looking to get a new car but I have soo many options. I was looking at a 2003 Tiburon or a Toyota MR2 but I think the MR2 would be harder to mod and insurance would be high. BTW, it'll set u back about $10g for a good SR20DE-T install and it's not a good engine for drag racing. You're better off with the KA and just turboing it if you drag, if you drift or Auto-X then the SR20 or RB26 would be a good choice. The problem with the 240 is that with all the kids rushing to buy them now they are really over priced. It comes down to the supply and demand laws.

yeah i completely understand that partizan. yeah i heard the kat is superior to drag then the sr20 but why not go with the rb25. u can get up too 600 HP on stock internals. beautiful engine. think imma get a 98 and set it up with the rb25. if not ill set itup drift spec with an sr20. thats is if i decide on the 240xs or keep my eclipse gst but honestly things are looking down on the eclipse. i hate FF. it sux.

personally i dont mine FF... and i would definately rather have that than FR, just because on my RST if i put that power to the rear wheels i would spin forever!!! there is no weight back there, so whats to hold the tires to the ground? i have driven so many rwd modded cars from vipers to camaros, to mustangs, i even just drove the 2004 GTO (just to beat on it):naughty: anyways, with the weight on the front tires and them pulling you instead of pushing, you have less chance for your rear end to slide out/spin/lose control, although it is fun having rwd to fuck around in, i wouldnt want it in a race unless you have some big ass slicks and/or your rear end is quite heavy!

GOD i hate RWD. I rather have AWD than RWD. I own a GST and i think the FWD is a much better setup. My boy tim owns a 93 240SX, ive driven that car but for some reason, and this is just my oppinion, i freakin hate RWD..i think FWD is much better in terms of handling power.

Jake, the concept of RWD being better for drag racing deals with the weight transfer as you pull off the line. All of the force it takes to move the body, engine, etc. of the car FORWARD, transfers the weight to the rear, away from the front. I'm sure you know this, just pointing it out :). That's why you see rustangs doing wheelstands--they keep their tires to the ground all right :iceslolan!

I think the 240's have nice styling, but I agree that they are FAR overpriced in stock form for the performance they come with. You should just look into getting an electronic boost controller that will let you stage your boost by rpm--low boost at low rpm, higher boost when you get up there. This way, you won't have as much wheel spin as you get out of the hole. I would encourage you to at least try the staged ebc for a couple hundred bucks before you go and spend $15k or more on a 240sx and engine swap.

yea but the money to get the mustang do do a wheel stand... if you put that money into my car and into that car, i will walk all over him! its just the way the car is set up, harder springs in the rear and lowering the front will allow the front end to have a lot more weight = better traction... and you can still steer, compared to the wheel stand the mustang does, what happens if he starts going sideways... into the wall he goes :biggrin:, the most my car will do is torque steer which is correctable! so i will keep my statement that i like fwd better cause they are safer and easier to drive!

its like having a rwd in the winter... what happens when you take a corner in the snow... the rear end slides out, if you do that in a fwd it might still slide out but if you hit the gas the tires pull it straight again!

lOl. FWD is not anything compared to RWD and AWD is less effective than RWD. Hmm.

Hate RWD? That is funny.

yes i hate RWD for racing! you can lose control to easily... the only thing i like it for is fucking around!

and why do you find that so funny... oh and i said nothing to the extent of: fwd being compared to rwd... and where the hell did you get AWD being less effective that RWD - thats just plain stupid!

a little off topic here but, I have a friend with a 91 chevy s10 p/u that stuffed a 632ci crate motor thats loaded, into they engine bay. different tranny and rear end. he was running low 12's with the back tires smoking the whole way down, he tried tubbing it out, and putting on huge racing slicks, no luck. he tried putting all the dead weight the could find (to the extent of pouring concrete) in the bed of the truck, a small improvement. he tried stiffer leaf springs, adding springs, traction bar, and when these did no good he welded the damn axle to the frame rigid style, another improvement, but still not even close. I told him he should try running a larger rear end set up and...voila.. now he is running 9's.
the moral of this stoy is
no matter what setup you got ff, awd, fr, mr, you just gotta keep playing with it until you get it right. its just a matter of how bad you want those low et's
oh, and don't go pouring any concrete in your ride (duh)

Haha, to each his own. There are plenty of well built fwd cars, and plenty of advantages in drag racing for rwd cars. But, there is a reason that funny cars and drag cars are not fwd, and it is because of the weight transfer to the rear. Now, handling-wise, I agree that rwd sucks. My awd on the talon is incredible compared to my old 94 camaro. Drivetrain is a personal preference, but it is generally accepted that rwd is the most effective for high speed drag racing, with awd a close second in streetable drag cars, followed by fwd. Now if you've got a mid-engine rwd car, that's where things get interesting :naughty:!

And Jake, I am respectfully disagreeing with you on this one...not to say that your rs-t wouldn't kick the shit out of either my talon or my old camaro :uhoh:!

you are right about the drag cars... but they also have the motors in the rear (top fuel) and middle (funny car) so theres the difference from a camaro, mustang, supra, or even the 240sx, they all have their motors in the front putting all the weight on the front wheel! leaving the rear end to be much lighter = no weight on the wheels = tire hop and spin!!! and another thing... have you ever spun the tires in your camaro? well if you have possi in a RWD car with power to it, spinning the tires usually tends to kick the rear end out, compared to a FWD where you have total control over the steering when you are spinning!!! thats the main reason i think FWD cars are safer and easier to race/drive!!!

I gotta agree with RS-T on this one. No matter what the argument, i still believe and by experience ive gained by driving RWD, it just plain sucks. I drive my FWD all the time and as much as i hate the wheel hop..i will still say that RWD is a downgrade from FWD..i drove the 240 SX before and it has to be one of the shittiest cars ive ever driven. Its great for drifting but who gives a fuck..i want a car that can hanlde pure power and ill say this clearly, i will walk over a modded RWD anyday with my FWD..happy drifting guys..RWD SUCKS.

okay... I had an 91 240 sx, and rwd is awsome, if you CAN drive it, you can have better control than with an fwd!!! you just have to know HOW!!! I drive an GST now, and it is nice, but when my 18PSI hit the wheels... you know what i mean... But if the 18 PSI would push... It would be Alot better since pushing is easier than pulling!!! well thats just my $0.02

lol 18psi... oh my! i guess you just need to learn how to drive! cause at 21psi and spraying 100 shot of nitrous off the line i can control the car just fine, yes it does spin, not any more (now that i have slicks), just need to know how to drive.

oh and you say you have better control with a RWD huh... how so? when your doin your wheel stand or whatever, how are you controlling which way the car is goin? let off or launch slower right? yes well i can launch my FWD any way i want full throttle if need be and i have full control over where the car is goin! so please explain more about the control of a RWD being better?

yes it might be faster... i never said an FWD is faster, i just said its safer and easier to control/drive/race!!!

I said it pushes better not it faster, well with my old tires it didnt work...:P With the new one's I spike it up and have a great launch...
well as long as you have got tires, sit tight and it isn't wet or snowy... it is alot easier... go fast into a corner with you fwd, and acelerate in the middle to get out even faster... what happense, with to much power your car wants to go straight!!! now do the same with an RWD in the middle you go on full trotle, and stere little more to the left (if you go right) and you'll see, that your car goes straight all the way!!! but you knew that one right? experience pays off... kk so you dumb your clutch at wot, with your 22psi, and you take off like a plane??? NO! If you have the same amound of power, lets say 210hp stock gst hp, on a rwd and drop the cluth what will happen??? nothink either(since there is no weight to support the tires), but if you slip it or go @ about 3500rpm the rwd will be superior...! why? because RWD pushes A load, and FWD pulls THE load (is long as the engine is in the frond), and thx for personal attack! I never said that You can't drive, but you bitch at my driving skills... + something for you to know, PSI = not the same on every turbo :P .....!

Nice grammar, but anyway. Pushing or Pulling a car doesn't matter. Steering characteristics of drive types and traction with different drive types is clear. Nobody is arguing against the obvious ways different cars act.

did i mention anywhere in any of my posts about cornering in a fwd is better than in a rwd besides in the snow or on ice? i didnt think so!!! but there are ways that a fwd can take a corner just as fast and good as a rwd if you know how to drive it!!! its called e-break = drift! let off the e-break, tap the gas and you pull the car straight again... BAM there's a solution! now say you hit the gas to hard on a rwd coming out of the corner and the ass swings out too far, what do you do besides let off and have it try and recorrect itself, by then it over corrects so you let off again! that makes it twice that you let off (besides coming into the corner) compared to being able to correct a fwd if it swings out to far by hitting the gas to pull the fwd straight again!!! (and even if it doesnt over correct you are still goin slower than the fwd, because you had to slow down to let it correct) and yes i know i helps to have experience in driving a rwd, i have driven plenty of them in my life to know that mainly they are really only good for is fuckin around!!! tell me this, why is almost every car out there these days fwd? MAYBE it has to do with a safety and control issues!!! hmmm interesting though considering they have higher safety standards about control than a rwd!!

now on the other hand... if we were talking about mrwd or rrwd then you would stand correct, like most ferrari's, all lamborgini's, and look at even the Indy cars and drag cars like the top fuel dragsters... they all have these motors and driveline, which evens out the weight ratio allowing them to handle better and even get more traction and yet better control... but i dont see you racing or driving any of these types of cars (and if you do... why the hell are you wasting your time on this site?) and i never said you were talking about them but if you were i wasnt!!!
lets say 210hp stock gst hp, on a rwd and drop the cluth what will happen??? nothink either(since there is no weight to support the tires)
exactly but the rear end tends to get loose cause there is no weight and its trying to push! making it uncontrollable!

have you ever done a burnout in a rwd... the ass end doesnt just sit there, nor does it go straight, compared to a fwd where it has to pull so it goes straight, making it controllable! what i am trying to say is that with a substantual amount of power to the rear wheels is less controllable that the same power to the front wheels... if you feel different explain how a fwd can lose control!!! compared to a rwd's rear end sliding sideways!

oh and your welcome about the personal attack, and i never said psi was the same on every turbo buddy!
and rwd is awsome, if you CAN drive it, you can have better control than with an fwd!!! you just have to know HOW!!!
hmm that sounds like your saying i cant drive!
rwd will be superior...! why? because RWD pushes A load, and FWD pulls THE load
wow you're a smart one...so would that mean you would rather push a trailer than pull it? pushing the load is better than pulling cause you have more control? how?

Uhh..

"i would go with the 240sx because you can swap a sr20 det its better than the regular sr20 because the det is turbo and runs about 13.4 stock if your an experienced driver."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're fuckin' dreaming. ;) SR20 DETs make less horsepower than a GSX, are not AWD, and weigh only a few hundred pounds less. A GSX stock will hit high 14s with an amazing driver.

Bottom line: a 240sx with an SR20 swap will still be less than the stock handling and speed of a GSX. Do yourself a favor and buy a GSX, then never look back. ;) By far the best bang-for-the-buck in its price range.

(note: although 240s have really good weight transfer, they have terrible stock suspensions in my experience. a shitload of body roll and a lot of low-end torque in stock form to ensure fish-tailing on every turn.)

P.S. If you want a Nissan, buy a freakin' 300zx.

Just my two cents.

I wasnt refering to anybody, I didnt even read the threat, since i wrote last time, sorry if you think so, k if you go straigt with like i said 210 hp and dump, the fwd and rwd wont have much difference, depending on the weight, if the rwd has like 500hp the fwd will win since to weight and torque will do the job... well like i said i like it better, and i think that it is better to control, not easier though!!! I dont attack people without a reason, so ... thats it from me.

Uhh..

"i would go with the 240sx because you can swap a sr20 det its better than the regular sr20 because the det is turbo and runs about 13.4 stock if your an experienced driver."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're fuckin' dreaming. ;) SR20 DETs make less horsepower than a GSX, are not AWD, and weigh only a few hundred pounds less. A GSX stock will hit high 14s with an amazing driver.

Bottom line: a 240sx with an SR20 swap will still be less than the stock handling and speed of a GSX. Do yourself a favor and buy a GSX, then never look back. ;) By far the best bang-for-the-buck in its price range.

(note: although 240s have really good weight transfer, they have terrible stock suspensions in my experience. a shitload of body roll and a lot of low-end torque in stock form to ensure fish-tailing on every turn.)

P.S. If you want a Nissan, buy a freakin' 300zx.

Just my two cents.

well the sr20det engine has its differences, the s13(2.0 L DOHC T25 Turbo - 205hp stock) has a less powerfull engine than the s14(2.0L DOHC T28 Turbo-220hp stock), but it is the most swaped one, because of it's price + its weight is 2535lbs less than a gst/x 2788-3120lbs and that counts alot! well but like you said... I would prefer the sr20det + an S13 over anything (few exeptions:D) but why dont get an rb25det and be a sleeper killer, just get the awd tranny to work right :D :D :D