Well I just got done watching "Tuner Transformation" on the speed channel where they were transforming a 1989 240sx into a drift car. The FIRST thing they said was "the KA24 motor has to go". They were saying some bad things about the engine, such as calling it a "lump" with "no power" and a "truck engine", above all, and they swapped in an SR-20DET motor of course. This caught me off guard because I didn't think the KA was THAT bad of an engine....I know TatII will have something to say about this, what about the rest of you?

The KA24DE isn't a lump.. it makes good horsepower and good torque.


Incomparison to the SR20DET, it's not as impressive. But if you slap on a Turbo they do pretty damn good. TatII's car runs neck and neck I believe with modified WRX's and EVO's with his KA24DE-T.

I bet they got the SR motor from a sponsor and to make the motor sound worth the 'purchase' price to us consumers they made the KA sound like crap...

Can't say for sure, but that's my guess.

'tuner', huh. i don't particularly like that term, can't quite put a finger on why.

here's my opinion on 'tuner transformation''s opinions. i don't care for their opinions because they're all of the opinion that american muscle cars (mustangs, camaros, classics, etc) aren't worth 'tuning'. well i'll tell ya what, if they converted some of those cars to rear-wheel drive and swapped small-block v8 motors into them, they'd suddenly find themselves slightly more in the favor of guys such as myself (and there are many), and rating would go up =D. even better, modify a good american car and make it go hella fast, then they'll really have my attention.

now that i've probably started a massive flamewar, and more on topic... i don't know much about Nissan motors, but if everybody swaps to the more popular one (e.g. 2.3 stang--> 302 stang) then there must be something better about it =)

and just because a motor 'isn't that bad' doesn't mean it's good enough for what it's meant for.

yea da ka isnt a bad grounds to start with.. like red neck said tat2 is runnig with lots of fast cars.. but the reason they did that in the show was b/c it was the first episode (repeat today) so they need to kick the show off with a bang to attract people to watch it.. but overall it was a nice episode with the whole wide body omg i fell in love with the silvia all over again.. but the ka24de is capable and fast when tuned properly..
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Also, when they did the show where they transformed the Fuckus.....I mean Focus, they didn't bother swapping out the ALMIGHTY zetec engine....all they did was buy a supercharger kit....could have done the same with the 240sx.

yea it could of but the point was to start the show off with a bang to attract viewers rather then do some thing mid.. if you notice all the other cars that they do they dont really put as much into it as they did with the 240sx...
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that show is a joke, when they had that girls civic in there and the guy didnt even know what kind of motor it had he was like its a puny 1.6L too bad its not even a 1.6

none of them do any of the work.....its always off to bmw for the mini or a bodyshop for the bodywork...lame ass show...

I only saw the one with the focus and it seemed pretty lame. Just the network trying to get some younger viewers no doubt.

It is an ok show, a good way to eat up thirty minuets if you've got nothing better to do. They don't always do much to the cars and they do a lot of distasteful things as well.

The FIRST thing they said was "the KA24 motor has to go". They were saying some bad things about the engine, such as calling it a "lump" with "no power" and a "truck engine", above all, and they swapped in an SR-20DET motor of course.

is it just me or did the viper engine start off as "just a truck engine" i really dunno buts that what i heard. I guess if the ka24 motor really was a truck engine theyd be in great shape. Dang it this post just wont come out the way I want it.

popular misconception is that the viper engine is a truck engine. It is not a truck engine.

They are very bad actors... they try toooo hard. It's like an acid-taking, pot smoking version of Monster Garage... or that Chopper show. It's so bad I can actually tell how hard they try... they glimpse at the camera for approval on a job well done every now and then. They suck at mechanics too... probably not even real. If I let them touch my car it would come back with GRAPHICS and that's about it.... sad.

I've only seen it a few times...and havn't been that impressed. I own an import, but am definantly a fan of domestics as well, and I prefer Horsepower TV on Spike Tv on the weekends. It's a nice show to watch while nursing your hangover.

Anyways, I was just pissed when they worked on that Mini. They supercharge it, dropped like 7(?) grand into the car...and the guy didn't even have a change in facial expressions. Where in the hell do they find these people?...I got a car with plans that definantly exceed my budget, as I am sure most of you do. It pisses me off that shows like that and PIMp my ride on MTV find the most beat up bangers from people with no respect/knowledge of their cars and then they drop so much money into them.

Granted I am sure this is not always the case, but the way I see it...if they couldn't maintain the car a little better then they are just gonna $#&* this one up too. Now some of them might have gotten the car free from a relative and couldn't afford to fix it up...fine, I can understand that...it's just the other people who get randomly chosen, and they really do some nice things to the car...(except PIMP my ride, withthe fishtank or dog bowls...those are just asking to get dirty and make the car reek..) I guess I'm just bitter/jealous, but hey if any tv executives are reading this...why not get some cars from actual enthusiasts with meek paychecks/ student loans? just my .02

PERSONALLY, i think the show has a 2stupid2mention approach. sure it might be what the "people want, but its way....i dont know the word, but i know there is one. for example, the one with the 240sx, that they gave wheels and a kit to. all of a sudden that made it jdm. wtf. was it rhd? no. did the front or rear lights get switched out? no. and what about the guy with the mini cooper, ungratful looking bastard, that was probably the only good car they did, and he looked so disappointed. f*cking f*cker

I saw the episode with the Mini Cooper, or that might have been some other ghey import show. They seem to be getting pretty popular. Anyways the guy was like "This car ain't nothing but a little BMW". Well yeah, that's why it's called the BMW Mini Cooper. :rolleyes: I haven't watched since.

KA24 info:

The 240sx originally came with the truck - based KA24E, a robust 12 - valve, single - cam lump that makes a pathetic 140hp. This was replaced with the less pathetic KA24DE in 1991. The DE added a 16 - vavle, twincam head and piston - cooling oil squirters. In stock guise, it still wasn't that powerful (Nissan claimed 155 hp) and its truck roots showed in its harshness and reluctance to rev. The KA24DE is, however, built almost as if turbocharging were planned from the start.

The block itself is a hefty, deep - skirt cast - iron piece complete with a stout girdle connecting the main bearing caps and the piston - cooling oil squirters are ready to remove the heat of turbocharged combustion from the underside of the pistons, just like the factory turbocharged engines. The long - stroke forged crank has the biggest bearing journals of any of the four engines we're looking at. The forged rods are beefy and long, giving the engine a remarkably good rod ratio of 1.72:1. With a 96mm stroke, the KA is all about torque, but much of the engine's wheezy high - RPM performance can be cured with a change of cams.

The KA24DE cylinder head has a small, narrow - angle pent - roof combustion chamber ideal for minimizing knock sensitivity, but the 9.5:1 compression is a little bit high if massive boost is planned. Pistons tend to be the engine's weak point anyway, so a bottom - end refreshening and some low - compression forged pistons are in order if you want to reliably and consistently make more than about 250 hp at the wheels.

Complete turbo kits for the KA24DE are available from XS Engineering (www.xs-engineering.com), Turbonetics (www.turbonetics.com), NSport (www.nsport.com), and Hot Shot Performance (www.hot-shot.com). Those looking to do their own turbo kits will find plenty of parts support as well. Turbo manifolds are available from several sources, including unstable Hybris (www.unstable-hybrids.com), Real Nissan racing (realnissan.com) and, if you're willing to do some welding, from JG Tools (www.jgtools.com).

On low boost (up to 6 psi or so on 91 octane, maybe 7 or 8 psi on 93), tuning can be as simple as a rising rate fuel pressure regulator and a timing adjustment. Above that, you can start playing with magic boxes, like the A'PEXI Super AFC, or Greddy e-Manage, or thestock ECU can be tuned for boost, big injectors and bigger mass airflow meters by Jim Wolf Technology.

Boost on a KA24 gets you massive torque and, with a properly sized turbo, excellent responsiveness. The cost of low - compression pistons and a bottom - end rebuild might seem prohibitive on top of a turbo, manifold, intercooler and plumbing, but consider this: Big power from any of these engines will include the cost of a turbo, intercooler and plumbing. Look at it this way, and the extra cost of beefing up your KA24 only has to be weighed against the cost of buying a used Japanese engine. Suddenly, the KA24 turbo makes as much sense as any of the others. On the octane - limited West Coast, the extra displacement might even make this the engine of choice.



KA24DET

Donor Car: Already there (1991-and-later 240sx)
U.S. Spare Parts Donors: 1993-2001 Nissan Altima
Engine Layout: Inline Four
Bore x Stroke: 89mm x 96mm
Displacement: 2,389 cc
Compression Ratio: 9.5:1
Block Design: Cast Iron, Deep Skirt with Main Bearing Girdle
Deck Height: 247mm
Connecting Rod Length: 165mm
Rod/Stroke Ratio: 1.72:1
Crank Design: Forged, four counterweight
Main Bearing Diameter (mm): 60mm
Rod Bearing Diameter (mm): 50mm
Bore Spacing: 96mm, 98mm, 96mm
Cylinder Head Design: Cast Aluminum, DOHC, mechanical cam-on-bucket valvetrain
Combustion Chamber Design: Narrow angle pent-roof
Spare Parts Sources
Water Pump: Normal U.S. Part
Timing Belt: Chain
Head Gasket: Normal U.S. Part

yeah, i cought that too with the civic where he said 1.6L..its a 1.7..lol

dont know the word, but i know there is one. for example, the one with the 240sx, that they gave wheels and a kit to. all of a sudden that made it jdm. wtf. was it rhd? no. did the front or rear lights get switched out?

Um, if it was the same 240sx I saw... they DID actually 'switch-out' the whole front end to a SILVIA conversion and swapped in an SR20DET! That's as JDM as you are gonna get State-side without actually importing over an ACTUAL S13 SILVIA from Japan! And you would not have to switch out the rear lights on an S13 coupe to make it JDM either... they have the same lights in the back as the SILVIA's!

at any rate.
i'm pretty sure the first episode of that show had the rx8 they put nitrous in.

those guys are uber lame.
i've seen about 10 minutes and couldn't watch anymore.

at least the people in pimp my ride are grateful!
like that girl with the civic... it was ugly to us, but to her, amazing...

all of the new shows, including sports car revolution, tuner transformation and chop cut rebuild are lame attempts at reality style shows that just straight suck ass.

that fag kazzer on scr is lame, needs a haircut, and doesn't know nearly as much as he claims.

awful programming. i bet it all gets axed soon

Um, if it was the same 240sx I saw... they DID actually 'switch-out' the whole front end to a SILVIA conversion and swapped in an SR20DET! That's as JDM as you are gonna get State-side without actually importing over an ACTUAL S13 SILVIA from Japan! And you would not have to switch out the rear lights on an S13 coupe to make it JDM either... they have the same lights in the back as the SILVIA's!


if im not mistaken, his car was the hatchback, in that case, the rear lights are different. i dont think the whole front end was swapped, didnt it have the pop up headlights still.

Well, Tuner Transformation does suck, but Sports Car Revolution is pretty damn good. I like how they're not aiming at the "tuner lifestyle" crowd and instead are going straight to the real deal; SCCA.

Their project RSX is a great build-up (I'd be happy if more Honda owners would admit to this being the real habitat of the RSX/Integra) and you've got to love their attempt at making a decent track car out of a Kia Rio. Kazzer, well, he's corny but passable. The classics, though, are particularly impressive. I absolutely loved seeing the Triumph TR-3 this week.

Tuner Transformation, though, ugh. Tell you what they need to do. Give the show to me, Redneck, and Cbass. The hilarious antics will be real and the cars will be way cooler. No more tape stripe graphics and nitroused RX-8's.

Personally, I like sports car revolution, and barrett-jackson car search too, because darla haun is just plain boneable. I like the one where kazzer drove the Dodge Omni GLH-S, that car was sweet.

i like sportscar revolution also, i think its a very informative tv show, the only thing i think is unneccesssary is the horsepower girl. but did anyone see the turbo neon dyno, pretty impresive, no?

if im not mistaken, his car was the hatchback, in that case, the rear lights are different. i dont think the whole front end was swapped, didnt it have the pop up headlights still.

How many 240's have they done? I only seen that one S13 coupe and I don't watch the show religiously like you guys... LoL! j/k

If it were a HB then it would depend on which 180sx you were trying to replicate as the JDM version... The rear lights on our version of RPS13 are similar to the ZENKI models except for the rear-garnish "240sx'. KOUKI models have the lights we never seen State-side... and are much cooler looking. Did they drop an SR20 in this car too-?

How many 240's have they done? I only seen that one S13 coupe and I don't watch the show religiously like you guys... LoL! j/k

If it were a HB then it would depend on which 180sx you were trying to replicate as the JDM version... The rear lights on our version of RPS13 are similar to the ZENKI models except for the rear-garnish "240sx'. KOUKI models have the lights we never seen State-side... and are much cooler looking. Did they drop an SR20 in this car too-?

i think so, but it just bothers me that they called it jdm, when it wasnt, unless that vin was jdm, it wasnt, so i didnt like it. it causes "ricers" among the audience

Yeah... it's more like JDM replica if anything.

here's my 2 cent. the 350 v-8 is a truck engine and it is one of the most souped up engines ever.

Don't bring back old ass threads noob (even if I was the originator of this thread).