Why do people look down on neons so much and the SRT 4?

i dont have one but i always here people sayin its a neon. But what about the srt 4??

because many people are biased dorks

and about the srt4 is because its faster that most of their cars and since they cannot find tangible fault with it they come up with some stupid reply saing "its just a neon"

ok good point thanks

Yeah, it is simple ignorance.

People have a hard time accepting a defeat from a car that is not the typical hot rod.... Even though I have a GN I get the same thing all the time. The most common thing said is "Well it's still a BUICK :rolleyes: "

They are real nice cars. IMO real fun to drive to.

It's not a sports car and until the SRT-4, they were pretty slow. Plus, there are a LOT of them out there.. probably a lot of you reading this... who put gay ass metal wings, ridiculous body kits & rims, fart can exhaust tips, etc. on them. You don't see as much of that with fast cars, although there is some. That's the reason that everyone I know makes fun of them. Plus a lot of them are 4 doors, which is something a lot of people with fast cars make fun of. It's kinda like racing your mom's car or somethin. Before all the ricer fags out there e-mail me saying "there's nothing wrong with 4 door cars", please realize that I don't give a sh** what ya think ;-). I'm just answering the question honestly.

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ROCK ON!

SOMEBODY BUY MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, people are ignorant ... As proven by that last statement. Personally, I own a Neon ... And, no ... My Avatar is not my Neon, just one I thought looked nice. I don't have any pics of mine. Lol. But, as for the ... "Comments", if they can be called that, from the person before me, what kind of sports cars are you talking about? Maybe the HKS Nissan Skyline GTR R33 V-Spec? Well, that has a wing, a body kit, a "fart can" muffler, etc. And, it is rated as one of the fastest cars running a track, non-n/a (naturally asperated), of course. My point is, most of the high end cars you see now are leaning more towards aftermarket ... Mist. Lancer Evo 7 & 8 are another good example. And, as you mentioned, the Dodge SRT-4 ... I have proven, time and time again, to Imports, Muscle Cars, Domestic runners, etc. that the Neon can be as quick, if not quicker, than most ... And, they all say, "But ... It's a Neon!". There is no point to that statement anymore ... A Neon is a car, and can be quick ... Period ... Anyway, thank you for listening to my ramblings.

People have a hard time accepting a defeat from a car that is not the typical hot rod.... Even though I have a GN I get the same thing all the time. The most common thing said is "Well it's still a BUICK :rolleyes: "

They are real nice cars. IMO real fun to drive to.

actually the GN and the neon sorta do share that common trait. SO many times when ppl see my friens' uncles 10 second GN, they're say "thats fast?" they jus don't realize that there is more to the drag racing world than the mustangs, camaros, supras, and flashy cars like the viper an such.

once again, i don't really think that ppl CAN'T see them as being fast. rather like others have said...they don't WANT to see them be fast.

i've yet to drive a neon (only rode in one,) but im DYING to get a chance to drive the srt-4 (more hp/trq to the wheels than ur claiming at the crank? gimme a break now...).

as far as dude talking shit about fart cans and imports on a neon. i have the same problem, with people japan out their neons, i have a 99 neon rt with not one import part on it and i pull 13.12. all my mods are pure american everything from flowmaster 40 series exaust to msd ignition. on my back window i have in big white letter " i hate rice ". so to an extent i agree with u but on the other hand if u assume all neon guys have big wings and fat mufflers your an idiot :evillol:

People put down Neons for the same reason other vehicles are put down. Ignorance, brand loyalty (or brand nazi) and perhaps price range. In alot of people's eyes if a car is too cheap it's not worth crap. Well not all of us can afford a $35,000+ car.

I think more than anything though, people base their status and put their identity in the vehicles(s) they drive. Its sad, really, that some people have to act like assholes if you're not driving the car they think you should be driving. I see 22 year old kids bragging about their BMW or Benz, or even a truck with the bling bling wheels down grading people with Civics, Neons, Cavliers, or whatever.....but it don;t mean nothing when it's parked on Mom's driveway ;)

For me personally, yes I would love to move up to something better...something a bit more reliable and more "grown up." However, the car has been paid off for 2 years now, and I know the car inside and out and when stuff breaks, my husband and I can tear it down and put it back together in no time.....or if I am able to borrow a car, then we can take our time. I would rather put spare money into our house....something we can sell for a nice profit later on, rather than dump $300+ a month into something that will depreciate the moment its driven off the lot.

As for 2 or 4 doors...who cares? It's all about personal preference. I personally like the look of 4 door Neons better, and it's nice not to have to deal with folding seats forward to load passengers or things that dont fit in the trunk.

Sadly, too many people make judgments about others because of the car they drive. I am not a fan of big wings or 8" exhaust tips, but I am not gonna decide the driver lacks intelligence because of it. If he/she likes it, more power to them.

I guess when people grow up a little they will realize that cars are just that.....cars.

my questions are two:
-why do SRT-4's depreciate so quickly?
-can you get one *without* the blindspot wing?
(i hate blindspots and wife is exactly the height to not be able to see past that damn thing! : )

so, please, your opinions would be appreciated!

these are basically the only two things making me hesitate to buy one.

also wondering if its worth it to get a 2003 to take ADVANTAGE of that quick depreciation, even though that will mean having to buy the limited slip, larger injectors, stiffer suspension parts etc., eventually...

an 03 isnt worth it, instead buy an 04 and get the LSD! and dont worry about depriciation. the SRT's is nothing close to the Hummer H1's. within 2 years the car depreciated to nearly 50% of its original worth!!!

thanks!

the wing isnt as bad as it sounds th olny problm i have with the wing is i cant fully tell if theres a cop behind me because the wing blocks the top part of the car but u still dont like this put on the hemi little wing it looks real nice too

I think people don't know what they're talki8ng about. I have a 1998 Neon R/T. My car stock can beat out any honda out there. With what I've done to it I have the ability to beat mustangs and such. They really shouldn't be considered girl cars.

So you can beat S2000s? And mustangs? Wow..so you have a 13 second neon?

and i have a mid 12second neon with less than a grand in it! he also gets better mileage and can actually fit people in teh back seat! 2 different classes of cars. if your going to compare, make it a fair comparison.

I wasn't trying to compare anything. He's making some outrageous claim of 'beating any honda out there' and 'beating mustangs' with an N/A neon.

i agree with you, it just depends on who he is racing.

Oh, okay. I thought you were trying to start a flame war or something.

flame wars are a waste of time! im in it for the love of the sport, and nothing more. i choose to have my sartie for several reasons. one of them specifically is because its not a sports car. i like having the additonal doors, and the room backseat and trunk. plus its fun pulling on a vette in your 4 door family sedan. any car can be fast if you put the money into it. yes i only run mid to high 12's on street tires. but my car isnt even setup to run down the strip. but it does autoX pretty darn well.

i am tempted to buy one.

the only competition seems to be used eagle talons, civics, etc.

with a few bolt on mods a neon can get a mustang. womp womp... i dont know about any honda though, some can put out some heat......

WHO SAYS THAT ABOUT GN???? That is the most respected and sought after car i know of.... If i had one here I would be God.

and by the way. I have a Tiburon... Stock. And i dusted my friends neon.. no problem. Neons are quick. But not that quick.

not stock they arent that fast but with money anything will move, i have a 2002 neon and have never lost a race to a tiburon,

are you comparing a 6cyl tibby to a 4banger - 4 door neon, and think its a fair comparison.

compare my mildly modified neon, to a supercharged tibby. guess who gets killed!!! ask the president of the tiburon club of california about that one!

no. im coparing a 97 4 cyl. tibby to a neon.

TexSRT4 - You have an SRT4?

i do have one, hence the TEXSRT4! hahahaha

im not hating on the tibby, it certainley looks alot better and problaly built better then a neon.

people hate on neons for one real reason:the looks, also neons are pieces of shiiet ive had more problems with it than any other car ive had.

well there you go tex. Im not hating on the neon I love the SRT4, That thing is insanely fast. And I like neons, my friend has one. But tibby's are faster (except for the srt4)

and yes it is better built. It's like getting into a cockpit. The only part on it that is not well built is the piece that goes around the stereo and down around the shifter. It broke so easily. LOL

So you can beat S2000s? And mustangs? Wow..so you have a 13 second neon?

First of all I never said S2000s. And let me tell you something. My neon r/t is 2450 pounds @ 209 h. Power to weight ratio is for a quarter mile 11.7225 second quarter mile (weight/hp). Now take a mustang with lets say 275 hp at 3500 pounds thats a 12.7273 second quarter mile. Hp isn't everything you have to look at the little things. Power to weight ratio is how quarter miles are deternined. A honda is about 3000 pounds...the older ones the newer ones are heavier. they need at least 266 hp power to get a 11.2782 second quarter mile. So when you have a good argument come back.

show me a neon with 209hp that does the quarter mile in 11 sec. and i will never doubt a neon again.

show me a neon with 209hp that does the quarter mile in 11 sec. and i will never doubt a neon again.

Easy. My neon r/t comes stock with 152 hp. I have a blaster coil, 8mm wires, pacesetter headers ported and polished, monza dual exauhst, AEM intake, bigger injectors, bigger cams, bigger throttle body. I got it dyno tested at a place called X tuning in Wethersfield, CT

thank you

can i see a timeslip please?

im making close to 200hps with mine and the 1/4 mile time is like in the mid 15s. 209 hp in 11 secs? ya ok

thank you.

:rolleyes: how're you going to say it can beat a mustang yet not some hondas? The fastest honda runs low 14s. A GT mustang runs low 14s. And chud298..you said 'any honda' Last time I checked the S2000 was 'any honda'. Now if you're going to include Acuras..too..the fastest Honda/Acura runs mid 13s. Which is the NSX which costs $90,000. A Mach 1 mustang, sticker price when new: $30,000. Will run low 13s stock. And let's see this 11 second neons timeslip. And pictures of it. Either wise I'm calling BS.

Just look at the other Neon topics lol, but seriously they just seem to be cheaply made. I've taken a few apart and if you ever have, you'll know what Im talking about...break easy! Just out of curiosity, what other cars had Dodge turbocharged-SRT-4 & Stealth...??? I sure I would buy one if I got a good deal on one, but it just seems like everyone I've known whos had one didn't like it, my friend Matt just traded back his SRT-4 kept breaking, and me and my friends have had bad luck with Dodge in gereral...it's just my opinion though. Very good topic though 03cavyTT. Also, has anyone here had or seen a SRT-4 dyno'd?

i have seen dozens of srt4 dynos. infact we are having an srt4 dyno day here shortly. every manufacturer has their lemons. even ferrari!!! anyone who has gone into a sartie block realises that it is exceptionally overbuilt. even SCC magazine states it in one of their articles a year or so again.

now...i would love to see a 200hp car run an 11second 1/4. when i in my 300hp neon am running mid to high 12's. true he weighs 400lbs less than me. but i also have 100hp more. i too would love to see the slip

maybe not. lol. maybe he has 400 pounds of oreo cookies in car.











I have seen it done.......

can i see a timeslip please?

I guess you really suck off the line then because the power to weight ratio says it all. Also a regular neon...not an r/t runs at around 27-2800 pounds and r/t is 2450 at your weight 2700/200 is 13.5 and 2800/200 is 14 seconds do the math it's right. If you suck off the line then of course where do you think the 15 seond is coming from. come on people it's not hard to do math now.

:rolleyes: how're you going to say it can beat a mustang yet not some hondas? The fastest honda runs low 14s. A GT mustang runs low 14s. And chud298..you said 'any honda' Last time I checked the S2000 was 'any honda'. Now if you're going to include Acuras..too..the fastest Honda/Acura runs mid 13s. Which is the NSX which costs $90,000. A Mach 1 mustang, sticker price when new: $30,000. Will run low 13s stock. And let's see this 11 second neons timeslip. And pictures of it. Either wise I'm calling BS.

Ok lets not think to into this. Just think a neon r/t with all the options is was about 15,000. Stock it runs a 15.9 second quarter mile look it up on google. I get so much for my money then those. I don't think people know too much about the r/t. it's like the ACR but a little heavier. The r/t has won so many track races. Look it up people. For what you're getting for those cars and what I'm getting for my car and I can run the same, you got ripped off. You can make a car as fast as you want. Wanna know something. A SRT-4 engine drops right into my 1998 r/t ask a mechanic if you don't believe me. That comes STOCK with 220 hp. I build up my suspension and renforce my body, just think about the amount of hp I can put in it with headers, exausht, cams, injectors. Once again I say give me a better argument. I have a question. So you're saying that I can't get better than like a 14 second quarter mile just because it's a neon? HA. Also you take that srt 4 enigne with turbo and intercooler, now we're talking 300 hp in a 2450 pound car. It's possible people relieze this

HORSEPOWER ISNT EVERYTHING!!!! and 200 horsepower does not get you anywhere near 11.. maybe low 15, high 14. you telling me you are faster then a SRT4????? give me a break. Probably counting yourself.... Why dont you come by here and race me. Portsmouth VA. My boy has a Monte.. Weighs 2 1/2 what your neon does.. Bet you he whoops that ass.. And its nowhere near an 11 second car. And Explain this math to me??

no one said it wasnt possible.. We are saying you dont run 11's with 209 hp.... and now your talking about what you COULD do not what you have done. So what diff does it make? YOUR car right now cannot run 11's... Bottomline. Prove me wrong.

HORSEPOWER ISNT EVERYTHING!!!! and 200 horsepower does not get you anywhere near 11.. maybe low 15, high 14. you telling me you are faster then a SRT4????? give me a break. Probably counting yourself.... Why dont you come by here and race me. Portsmouth VA. My boy has a Monte.. Weighs 2 1/2 what your neon does.. Bet you he whoops that ass.. And its nowhere near an 11 second car. And Explain this math to me??

Yes horsepower isn't everything that's why you got torque. Good job. Alright I want you to look up the car and driver they did on the r/t. It ran at 152 hp and a 15.9 quarter mile. You're saying I put 57 hp in it and only got .9 seconds out of it??? And yes I can, not saying beat, but keep up with a srt. Lets recap srt- 3500 at 220, mine 2450 at 209 hp. I know what a monte can do. My dad has a 1984 monte ss. Yes it's a boat, and yes I know what it can do. Also an older v8, you can put so much more in, money wise, than the newer 4 cylinder. and i said it was an 11.7 second when I get off the line its about a 12.4, 12.5. Lets not over exaggerate people. I'm giving you that facts. Whether you want to believe it or not. Lets say I do put in that srt engine, whats you're argument now.

no one said it wasnt possible.. We are saying you dont run 11's with 209 hp.... and now your talking about what you COULD do not what you have done. So what diff does it make? YOUR car right now cannot run 11's... Bottomline. Prove me wrong.

ALright drag strip in new york august 17 sponsored by Driving image farmington,ct. I said what I can do with a srt engine. I'm saying its possible. If I had that engine built up it would be even faster. NOT 11 jesus people. I don't have to prove anything to you. I'll show you the time card.

My arguement? SHOW ME A TIMESLIP.. Your full of shit. and stop counting. and get an official time

My arguement? SHOW ME A TIMESLIP.. Your full of shit. and stop counting. and get an official time

ok. think whatever you want

you dont have to prove anything to me?? what the hell have you been trying to do then?

you dont have to prove anything to me?? what the hell have you been trying to do then?

I'm just trying to get it through you're thick head. I explained what I've done and what I've put in my car. Whatever you want to acest from it is your business. But you're one minded. If you want to believe it go for it. If not fine by me.

You're right.....I am one minded. But I am definately open minded.

Yes horsepower isn't everything that's why you got torque. Good job. Alright I want you to look up the car and driver they did on the r/t. It ran at 152 hp and a 15.9 quarter mile. You're saying I put 57 hp in it and only got .9 seconds out of it??? And yes I can, not saying beat, but keep up with a srt. Lets recap srt- 3500 at 220, mine 2450 at 209 hp. I know what a monte can do. My dad has a 1984 monte ss. Yes it's a boat, and yes I know what it can do. Also an older v8, you can put so much more in, money wise, than the newer 4 cylinder. and i said it was an 11.7 second when I get off the line its about a 12.4, 12.5. Lets not over exaggerate people. I'm giving you that facts. Whether you want to believe it or not. Lets say I do put in that srt engine, whats you're argument now.


Let me start off by saying you are a grade A retard. Do you honestly think 57 hp is that big of a gain?? If you really think 209 hp is gonna put you into the 11's, then you should be shot. At the VERY most, if you're a fantastic driver, you'll run a high 13. And that's highly unlikely. A crotch rocket with 209 hp might run a 11 sec 1/4, but not a Neon.

If you really wanna keep BS'ing, by all means go ahead. There about a million reasons why you can't possibly run an 11 or 12 sec 1/4.

Chud298..just go ahead and never post again. You fail at life.

ok...lets get somthing straight right off the bat. the srt4 does NOT put out 220, that is what its rated at, it really puts out 230hp and 240ft/lbs of torque.

like i said earlier, im putting to the ground 300hp and torque. how is it that you are running more than a half second faster than me? now im a darn good driver, and run a good time for the mods i have. but come on bud. in fact. there is a guy on srtforums who has what we affectionitally call "prodject acr" he is down to 2400lbs with well over 300hp and still inst in the 11's. he is also running full coilovers, solid mounts, and upgraded suspension/control arm bushings. so how is it that you have significantally less power, and nowhere near the suspension setup, and still run faster than him? im just curious. if you are, then you are a car legend, show us what you did, so we can learn from it! otherwise, please keep your mouth shut until you can back what your saying

wow, I don't even know where to start. First of all one of the posts back when this thread started was someone else. I just got on here and this is what is in my fresh private message...

sent by chud298:

"Lets start at this. My Neon R/T came base with 150 hp a 2450 pounds. A GT comes base with 218 hp at 3100 pounds. I have a built up SRT-4 motor built in my R/T. I am now running 235 hp at 2450 pounds giving me about a 10.4255 quarter mile using power to weight ratio. A GT comes at about a 14.2202 quarter mile. My car is not only fast but I also make it look good. So come back when you have a better argument."

Here is my argument fuckstick, for one you stumble over yourself more times than I could keep count of...." if i did, if it had, if i do this, when I do this, I have this done" first of all you probably don't even drive a damn car, more like a razz, or jog, or some shit like that. You want to compare stock for stock, fine, your neon r/t w/ 150hp @ 2450lbs. runs on average one second slower than my 222hp 3000gt SL. I have never saw a neon at the track break into the 15's.
Get off your little power to weight ratio calculator because that seems to be where you get your bullshit #'s from. I don't get my numbers from typing weight and hp into a conversion table to get an estimated 1/4 mile time, I see it with my own 2 eyes. Yes neons can be fast, i am not denying that, but then again a ford taurus, escort, pinto, etc. can be fast with the $$$. The fastest one around here is around a low 14 sec. and has a couple thousand into it all motor. I have raced 3 or 4 r/t's and countless others, and all the same result, i'm a bit faster. w/ my 3200lbs pig. I'm not saying a 6cyl. vs. a 4cyl. is fair, but hey, your lighter, right?. I personally don't like the ricers and haven't saw ANY fast neons.... Not saying there not out there, just most people don't waste the money. As for the SRT-4's, I personally like, xcept from what I remember, the interiors are identical to a neon, on top of the exterior being very similar. Which Is why people call them neons, they basically are. Now you want to argue on the cost in modification and price of vehicle???? I bough two dodge stealth twinturbos for 2,000 bucks,, one without an engine. I bought an engine for less than 1,000 bucks. Now, stock for stock the two are pretty even (SRT4). BUT, for $20 on a boost controller, My car managed to make it down the 1/4 mile with a 12.8. So a grand total of $1,020 And my car is in the 12's. Now, you want to explain how your gonna pull that off? Oh, and your 14.2 1/4 mile stock, I usually see mid-13's by people who can actually drive and take advantage of the AWD, which, on the street would be even more of an advantage to a WRONG WHEEL DRIVE vehicle such as yours. NOW, lets see this 10 second time slip of yours... ??? I say your full of shit and so does everyone else. you wanted an opinion and you got one, why did you try and egg me on and private message me with your stupidity??

-Mike