Alright guys, other than getting a new car or paying dearly for a turbo charger, is there any way my 2000 Honda Accord 4cly can beat a 1999 Maxima. My friend drives it and he always dogs me and I can't take it much longer. I have 150 hp and he had 190 hp, so how the hell can I get the extra 40 to 50? I dont have tons of money so if anyone knows any little things that can really make a difference suggestions would be great. Also if anyone knows any good sites for swapping Accord ECUs to get better performance that would be great. Thanks for the help.

you better get a thicker skin, because there is nothing which can give you 40-50hp other than nitro, turbo or H22 swap

hope you got good driving skills, i have no way to top that maxima with the accord without major upgrades. how much are you willing to spend?

Well, you can get more than 40-50 hp out of your engine without nitro, turbo, or H22 swap. However, it'll cost you more than ALL of those things. You could probably make a decent engine out of what you have, but the only stock part left over will probably be the engine block. Plus, re-building a naturally aspirated engine and leaving it NA probably isn't worth the money.

If you want to beat his ass down and not spend a lot of money, here's what you do. Wait 10 years. By than, he'll be lucky if his Nissan is still running. And chances are, you're Honda will be in pretty good condition. Hell, my Accord is 10 years old now and still running strong.

I/M/O u shouldnt need that much power b/c u weigh less. ur still gonna need power. but im a big fan of weight reduction

Forgive me for not knowing this but what does I/M/O stand for?

In My Opinion

1999 Nissan Maxima
Curb Weight: 3085 lbs.
Horsepower: 190 hp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 205 ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm
Weight/Horsepower: 16.23

2000 Honda Accord 4Dr EX Sedan
Curb Weight: 3064 lbs.
Horsepower: 150 hp @ 5700 rpm
Torque: 152 ft-lbs. @ 4900 rpm
Weight/Horsepower: 20.43

to match weight to power ratio of Maxima you need to strip your car down to the bones, your must weight 2345lbs that is less then Civic.

Throw out all of your seats except your drivers one, take out your spare tire and buy a Carbon Fiber hood. Probably easiest weight reduction you can do on your own.

Nitrous is the cheapest thing you can do for the amount of HP it provides. Unfortunately, you run the risk of blowing your engine with it also.

Otherwise you have the option of a turbo, or buying quite a few new parts for your engine.

I believe KingMotorSports sells a new intake manifold that has separate throttle bodies for each injector. Than you could replace your fuel injectors, fuel rail, and fuel pump. Replace the cam(s), head gasket, and pistons. I'm not an expert, but that might give you some more power.

If you want, just go slash his tires. He won't be "dogging" you for a while than.

Its a sad fact, my friend. since 1995, the Maxima has been furthering the gap in power over Accords. They are well into the sports sedan category where as Accords have just entered. With the new 6spd, it seems Honda has finally had enough of the smack down Nissan has been laying in the mid-size sedan segment, but even now, the Maxima has the upper hand. 265hp 255tq :eek7:

If you wanna run that 99, take the advice of the fellas above, get ready to shell out for H22, turbo, or N20. In the meantime, be proud of your grocery-getter!!!! I know I am dammit! Who wants to feel 150 horses of fury coupled with 152 lb-ft of whoop ass!?!?! :sunglasse

Get Turbo that Would make u kill a maxima Or just get a new car? get a Civic SI :)

other weight reduction is removed carpeting, door paneling and trunk materials. hard core weight reduction would removed A/C & power steering. dont recommend though.

thats tru the maxima has been furthering the gap. and in the early and mid 90's the maxima and accord were competition. but now the accord and the altima compete w/ each other.

I just did a post on whether to do a Turbo or a Swap on an Accord. I like the F22B, I really do, but when you look at it, for the cost of all the bad ass parts for your Turbo (external waste gate, intercooler, etc) you might as well just go with an H22 swap.

H22a swap

H22 swap AND turbo :naughty: Thats my plan. H22 this summer, turbo next summer :sunglasse

Two things, An H22 swap would be nice but I heard there were a lot of problems with 6gen Accords like mine and that things got really complicated, and second I'm guessing that a swap would cost around 6g which sadly is way more than I have to spend on a new engine, but its certainly a nice thought.

pull off the CAT.. take your self a hammer and a pipe.. stand the CAT up right and put the pipe in CAT.. then WHAMM hit with the hammer.. plz repeat these steps till the whole CAT is empty.. (where gloves and a mask.. DONT BREATHE the DUST... that your own fualt if you do...) weld a straight pipe in there.. put the cat back on... and take off the axle back sectoin of the exhaust..now.. get the gas level to where you cant get more then a few blocks further.. fill up with the HIGHEST Octane you can find.. only about a gallon.. keep it light.. pull out the spare and the jack.. kick anybody ridin with you out.. then try it.. launch at 6 grand.. slowly.. dont let them spin too much that willl put your hp up ta about 159 and tq 158.. 4 ta one headerthat be about 165/166ish uhh hmm dryer hose as a CAI.. just put it right on the grille of the bumper.. 170/170.. now put bags of sand in his car... and your good to go.. might tie him

But what if he goes up against a boosted 4th Gen Maxima?

Here is my Dyno - completely stock internals: (And yes, I'm trolling - but in a gentler, friendlier way)

And I'm one of the slower ones out there. there's guys running 470hp, 505tq on stock internals. The VQ Engine owns.

http://www.cyberhub.net/dyno/013104a.jpg

The answer to your question - buy a maxima - better car all around for the price. Always has been - always will be. :D

But what if he goes up against a boosted 4th Gen Maxima?

Here is my Dyno - completely stock internals: (And yes, I'm trolling - but in a gentler, friendlier way)

And I'm one of the slower ones out there. there's guys running 470hp, 505tq on stock internals. The VQ Engine owns.

http://www.cyberhub.net/dyno/013104a.jpg

The answer to your question - buy a maxima - better car all around for the price. Always has been - always will be. :D

+1

I have yet to come across an accord of any vintage that can beat me...my car (91 maxima, minor mods) even beat a 2k3 accord straight off the lot...

sorry to burst your bubble honda fans, but the maxima has never had competition from the accord group. my 84 maxima could beat any accord from the late 80s when I had it and it had a bad MAF...

bottom line: buy a maxima and come over to the light side

or better yet:

maxima (http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/results.jtmpl?model=MAX&start_year=1984&end_year=2005&min_price=&max_price=&distance=any&certified=n&advanced=y&advcd_on=n&make=NISSAN&address=97203&search_type=used&x=15&y=12)

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I wasn't going to say anything being that I am a previous driver of a 95 Maxima. I have recently lost my Maxima due to financial problems, but was able to buy an 87 Honda Accord 5 speed. Although I realize that the Accord is not faster than my Maxima it is more fun to drive. What you need to realize is that yes the Maxima is supposed to be faster than the Accord, but if the Maxima isn't performing like it should than the Accord with a good driver should be able to keep up with it and maybe beat it. Also in my Maxima there were other cars that could beat me not many in the same catagory and in the Accord there are many cars that can beat me, but for my Accord having 205,000 miles on it, it drives better than my Maxima at 108,000 miles with an excellent suspension on it. So the point is there will all be someone that can beat someone else. I am very happy with my Accord and plan on buying another one soon as I can. So what it is not the fastest car in the world but neither is the Maxima. Not to put down Maxima cause mine was a great car and hated to have to give it up, but I am very happy with what I got and have much respect for both cars.

true the accord is a decent car, but the 4th gen (95 to 99) maximas handle worse than the 3rd gen (89-94). If you got an 87 maxima with 205k miles it would outperform and out handle your 87 accord hands down. I wasn't saying that the maxima is the fastest 4 door out there, I was saying that the accord is no competition whatever you do to it short of an engine swap or turbo...after all, that's what this thread WAS about in the first place.

Yeah i have the pleasure of driving both my 2000 Accord and my dad's 2000 Maxima, i have to say hands down the maxima out performs my accord but they are both beautyful cars. i can't say that without the right work an accord couldn't kill a maxima, just like any other car. enough money and any car can be "fast." but my accord is my car and thats what makes it special. plus i have to say i like how my accord rides better than the maxima, even though that thing lays it down. but hondas are still better! ;-)

Cool.
Looks like we have some pretty level headed people here.
I expected to have to come into this thread pointing out the obvious, but I guess I don't.

For the Record I have one up on all of you.

I used to own a 90 Taurus SHO and it was the king supreme of 4 door sedans back in the day. Maxima's had almost as much juice but the Gen1 SHO would pull ahead every time after we got out of 2nd gear.

There was something about that Yamaha engine, I could never put my figure on it. It just ripped harder in 3rd gear then other cars that were similar.

I've always like the maxima's, they stayed true to the 4door performance market since day one. Which is something no other manufacture did.

I still think it's funny your accord is having a hard time with the 4 banger maxima. Imagine what the V6 would do. :nono:

there is no 4 cylinder Maxima all of them are 6 cylinders and I also had an 85 Maxima before my 95 and the Accord has better handling than both of my Maximas but a lot worst acceleration especially on the top end.

Well I'd have to say, each car has it trade off's. For straightline performance, the maxima is definately the Supreme car in terms of power etc, it has been one of the top ones since it's inconception. However, for the bendies, I'd have to say the Accord does have it. They have always been more superior in that aspect. Though now a days, comparing the Maxima and Accord now a days is more like apples and oranges because the Maxima competes at a totally different class (With the Acura TL, 3-series BMW, Toyota Avalon, etc), the Accords Nissan competitor is now the Altima.

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I agree with you there, about straight v. curves. Although (I don't know for sure since i haven't gotten to drive one yet) but it seems like the new accord can compete and should be able to kill any old maximas (without sig. mods) however the new maxima is bad ass and could whoop some as well. any comments on the new accord v. the new maxima?

the 89-94 (especially 92-94 SE models) handle extremely well. this gen (gen 3) is the most overlooked in my experience. I wouldn't be surprised if the 3gen maxima could outhandle an accord due to it's independent rear suspension and the stiffer springs on the SE model.

Really the only way to figure this out is to get together with an accord owner and autocross it up.

anyone game? :D

This might work if your friend's Maxima has all the stock parts and automatic trans.

Put full Synthetic oil ($4 a bottle) into your 4 banger, new platinum sparkplugs (about $4 a piece) if u can afford it. Then u'll deffinately need air intake system... u can get them cheap at ebay. just to be on the safe side, change transmission oil too. Its a the cheapest way to boost your car safe and legally.

And when u going head to head with that Maxima, stay on gear 3~! Shift to gear 4 only when u hit redline. But no matter what you do, your car max speed is 110mph cuz of the ECU restriction.

I hope you have a good set of wheels and alert mind.
Good luck! :evillol:

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Alright guys, other than getting a new car or paying dearly for a turbo charger, is there any way my 2000 Honda Accord 4cly can beat a 1999 Maxima. My friend drives it and he always dogs me and I can't take it much longer. I have 150 hp and he had 190 hp, so how the hell can I get the extra 40 to 50? I dont have tons of money so if anyone knows any little things that can really make a difference suggestions would be great. Also if anyone knows any good sites for swapping Accord ECUs to get better performance that would be great. Thanks for the help.
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Try electric Supercharger.. 60 bucks i think... hhas if thats not enough then make it twin.. 120 bucks.. haha let me know if that electric SC really works.. some say it do some say it dont.. then follow the instructions i gave earlier...if that dont work sell the accord and buy a turbo eclipse or talon.. after i got hit, by a ghetto Van, thats what i got.. alot fast the my 94 2dr Vtec 5speed running 15.1 with nothing but homemade test pipe... its all in the driver..

Yea, the accords are, sadly, a bit underpowered. My stock civic will still get beat by one, but this summer I'll be installing a B18C1. The 170hp will be more than enough to catch the accords at my school off guard. But, yea, if you want to catch that Maxima, you're going to have to do some serious mods. 40-50hp is alot. So, either do an engine swap or learn to take a beating.

even if you add 40-50 hp to match the maximas #'s at 190 all he has to do is add a y-pipe and intake and he just jumped you by at least 15-22hp.

The easiest way to make up for the power loss is to go with a Nitrous Dry Kit.

Or as the ricers say it.....NAAAWWWSSS :icon16:

Other than that, you really won't have much of a chance. If you're on a highway run, you'll have a better chance because the Accord is better top end. Especially, if you're a manual and he's an auto.

whats this i hear you cant put a old motor into a new car? Dont people do it all the time. I have a 2002 accord coupe and wanted to put in a H22 but was told i couldnt.

Black Knight, that avatar is just too funny!

This may well be the most foolish comparison and question I have seen yet. Of course you are going to get smoked by a Maxima, it is a SIX CYLINDER SPORT SEDAN AND DIFFERENT CLASS OF CAR! You have a FOUR cylinder family sedan! My advice to you is not to get yourself involved in races you know you can't win, and study up the theory of relativity, that might help you understand why you can beat that car.


My suggestion would be to forget about the Mods to your Accord, sell it and buy a Maxima. You will never be able to keep up with that car in your Accord, even if it were hyped.

whats this i hear you cant put a old motor into a new car? Dont people do it all the time. I have a 2002 accord coupe and wanted to put in a H22 but was told i couldnt.
Black Knight, that avatar is just too funny!


A H22 would fit in your car. It's a pretty common swap for the 6 generation Accord. As long as you have a 4cyl. and not the V6

Hey! My opinion is to just go out and buy a maxima! Nissan and honda have come a long ways. But I say Nissan is alot better looking and alot more HP for the price range. I do think that the accord and the MAXIMA are tied in reliability. Can't you tell i'm a nissan fan. I own a 94' altima and can still blow a honda off the road. 150 HP weird eh! Its not because its a maxima that you don't stand a chance, its because you don't own a Nissan.


KSFDD.

Well, I guess it depends upon the person. I have a 2000 Accord 5sp and my wife has a 1999 Altima auto. I walk on her everytime. A true comparisom would be V6 Accord vs. a V6 Maxima. Although the Accord is down 25hp (which isn't much) the Maxima is heavier.

The Accord weighs in at 3,384 Fully loaded
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/features.jsp?destURL=features.jsp&year=2004&makeid=18&modelid=212&myid=5306&superTrim=&acode=USB40HOC011E0&logtype=7&aff=national

The Maxima weighs in at 3,473lbs
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/features.jsp;jsessionid=YGTBRSERVMVOXLAZGJKJXKY?de stURL=features.jsp&year=2004&makeid=36&modelid=333&myid=4855&superTrim=&acode=USB40NIC051A0&logtype=7&aff=national

Get a Maxima, Accords suck for speed without major work. Unless you have the new 6 speed V-6 Accord I think your out of luck without some serious cash. I bought a '92 Maxima w/ a manual transmission and the VE motor w/ 190 hp and 190 ft lbs of torque. I bought mine for $2000 and it's in great condition. I'm sure your grandma would be willing to give you a few thousand dollars for your Accord so you can buy a car that is made to be fast from the factory. Now that I made everyone mad I think I'll go back to the Maxima forum.

Once again, we're comparing apples and oranges.

A 4cyl NA vs. a 6cyl na???