What do u think has better performance or looks the 3rd gen Mustang (1982-1993) or the 3rd gen Camaro (1982-1992)? I think the 3rd gen Camaro is million times better looking and so much more powerful.. Yeah the mustang is light and the 5.0 5 speed can take off fast.. but com on the 5.0 over the 350 5.7 liter... i think 350 smokes the 5.0... trust me i have quite down many mustang drivers.... lol

Well most third gen camaros had 305's but still the camaro whoops the mustang. I hate when people put down the 305, I think it's an awsome motor. I'm putting 400hp to the pavement. But the camaro has always out ran the stang. We have bigger engines, better suspension, and better aerodinamics. Ford tries to take a box and make it go. Chevy takes a box, smooths out the corner and makes it really go. The only thing the stang has on the camaro is weight. And while it's a big factor on the track looking for 10ths of a second it's not going to play much factor on the street. Camaro all the way, they may not make them anymore but the camaro will never die. And for all them mustang dudes that say the camaro is dead, bring them my way. Sorry, I got carried away.

yeah man most 3rd gens did have the 305s.. and i think 305's are one of the best. I have the 350 5.7 which is another good engine as well.. but yeah camaro are sooo much better then mustang besides weight.. big deal its still more powerful and the 5.0 305 can kick the stangs 5.0 anyday.. i love camaro and always support it..

Hell yeah dude. Just look at this car. It's beautifull. It brings a tear to my eye..I'm in love.

.. big deal its still more powerful and the 5.0 305 can kick the stangs 5.0 anyday.. i love camaro and always support it..
I beg to differ. Unless you have the TPI 305, i doubt the TBI could touch the 302 Mustangs. (IMO, the 302 Stangs were better). The TBI 305 makes an astounding 170 HP at the wheels. The 302 (1988+ Roller) makes 225 crank (minus 15%, someone do the math, im too lazy). Im also lookin to invest in a 302 Car. (1988 Lincoln Mark VII LSC) Power..performance...luxury...:)

i beg to differ....that explains why i kicked so many stangs ass with my Z 28..... never lost agianst a mustang..

i am a newbie so hows stuff goin. i am only 15 gunna be 16 and i bought a 92'rs with a 305 in it. what about when u race the camaro with a 305 and the stang with a 5.0 both stock will the camaro still blow it away?

i am a newbie so hows stuff goin. i am only 15 gunna be 16 and i bought a 92'rs with a 305 in it. what about when u race the camaro with a 305 and the stang with a 5.0 both stock will the camaro still blow it away?

The 305 had like 170 horsepower stock, 5.0 had 225. Weight was about equal. I think you can put 2 and 2 together. I'm sure the 305 is a good engine, but you have to admit the 302 is a MUCH better performance platform than the 305.

hey RS yeah im 16 and i had my license for like 3 to 4 months.. I bought my Z28 like 2 yrs still smells like the dealership lol... Anyways the 305 in chevy i think is still better then the stangs 5.0, because for Mustangs r a piece of shit and i work on them at my dads garage all the time.. The only reason you love ford is if you or your dad owns a gas station because thats how you make money in the mechanic buisness... from fixing shit boxes like fords.. Plus ur RS is a million times better looking then those mustangs ... Stangs in the 3rd gen are just soo ugly... but the 4th gen Mustangs..they got more taste plus in 94-96 when they were making the 4.6 in stangs the mustangs are much better car then they were in 3rd gen.. Yeah but the thing is i have a 350 5.7 which came 245 hp stock. plus added things too it, which its 300 hp but me and master mechanic (dad) plan too make it around 400 hp then im gonna stop cuz i aint gonna fool with it.. :naughty


My friends told me that they could kick my ass with there Gay Stangs... But after racing on Route 95 in Mass.... I took care of them....

i beg to differ....that explains why i kicked so many stangs ass with my Z 28..... never lost agianst a mustang..

Beating 4cyl mustangs dont count!

Anyways the 305 in chevy i think is still better then the stangs 5.0, because for Mustangs r a piece of shit

thats kinda opinionated and ignorant.

Hey pal i hate Ford and always will and im talking bout 8 cyl!! 5.0!! NOT 4 you moron.. when did 4 cyl com up? Im comparing with the 8's not 6 and not 4.. And sec of all the 5.0's in Mustangs do suck ass, they burn alot of oil and fucking dont last for shit... I see these Piled up in my dads garage all day.. there like the #1 sport car that goes there and causes headaches... funny thing is we really never work camaros that much besides oil changes, tires and easy bullshit....well thats why they switched it too 4.6 around 95 or somthing like that.. they suck balls.. and i aint saying chevy the best either because the 305 aint a perfect engine either as well as the 350.. But its hell alot better then fords 5.0.. Well chevy still uses 5.7 in alot of there newer models like camaros as well as Pontiac Firebirds.. but mustangs dont have 5.0 anymore... that im aware of..

Hey pal i hate Ford and always will and im talking bout 8 cyl!! 5.0!! NOT 4 you moron.. when did 4 cyl com up? Im comparing with the 8's not 6 and not 4.. And sec of all the 5.0's in Mustangs do suck ass, they burn alot of oil and fucking dont last for shit... I see these Piled up in my dads garage all day.. there like the #1 sport car that goes there and causes headaches... funny thing is we really never work camaros that much besides oil changes, tires and easy bullshit....well thats why they switched it too 4.6 around 95 or somthing like that.. they suck balls.. and i aint saying chevy the best either because the 305 aint a perfect engine either as well as the 350.. But its hell alot better then fords 5.0.. Well chevy still uses 5.7 in alot of there newer models like camaros as well as Pontiac Firebirds.. but mustangs dont have 5.0 anymore... that im aware of..


Go to the track and learn something about performance. Not to offend any camaro guys here (sorry 98IROC and 92RS) but the fox body mustangs ruled the 3rd gen camaros. Besides the aftermarket for a 5.0 is so much better than a tpi car. Oh and if you where such a mechanic then you shoud know that the 5.7 that they use today is nothing like the 5.7 L98 tpi. The L98 is a 350 and the new 5.7 is like 346 or something like that. I'm not trying to bad mouth The camaro or anything. They are damn nice cars, but give credit where credit is due. Also if you don't work on camaros then you don't have a shop. They have there share of problems just like a mustang does. 16 year old arrogance is what get you in trouble when you go to race the big boys.

Well stangs and fbodies alike have there problems. I can not knock the ford 302, it's an outstanding motor. It has a bore about the size of a 5.7 with only a three inch stroke. So you have more explosion area and less travel, so I by nature(rev happy) am a fan of it. However, ford didn't tune the stang as well as they could have from the factory. The Stang 5.0 has probably more potential than our beloved 5.7, and yes the LS1 is 346CID by the way. From the factory the fbody had better performance. But if you know what you'r doing then the 302 was a...well ford put it best. BOSS. Know..I saw someone knocking the TBI and the 305 again... C'mon now..Yes stock it had 170 at the wheels, or so chevy claimed..It's more like 201hp acourding to my "before" dyno. And by the way that 215 at the crank pulls about 191 at the wheels, which is the same as the 305TBI. So chevy's second best fbody was matching the stangs. Now hands down the IrocZ and Z had more. Chevy clamed 235 I believe, wich was underated I'm sure. But the factory stangs couldn't keep up. Before you start busting my balls remember that I'm talking stock now ok. But anyways, anyone with some gears spinning for brains will find away, take me for example, to make there car hell of a lot faster. ie. my 400rwhp RS. ok I'm done.

Well stangs and fbodies alike have there problems. I can not knock the ford 302, it's an outstanding motor. It has a bore about the size of a 5.7 with only a three inch stroke. So you have more explosion area and less travel, so I by nature(rev happy) am a fan of it. However, ford didn't tune the stang as well as they could have from the factory. The Stang 5.0 has probably more potential than our beloved 5.7, and yes the LS1 is 346CID by the way. From the factory the fbody had better performance. But if you know what you'r doing then the 302 was a...well ford put it best. BOSS. Know..I saw someone knocking the TBI and the 305 again... C'mon now..Yes stock it had 170 at the wheels, or so chevy claimed..It's more like 201hp acourding to my "before" dyno. And by the way that 215 at the crank pulls about 191 at the wheels, which is the same as the 305TBI. So chevy's second best fbody was matching the stangs. Now hands down the IrocZ and Z had more. Chevy clamed 235 I believe, wich was underated I'm sure. But the factory stangs couldn't keep up. Before you start busting my balls remember that I'm talking stock now ok. But anyways, anyone with some gears spinning for brains will find away, take me for example, to make there car hell of a lot faster. ie. my 400rwhp RS. ok I'm done.
IROCS and GTA's where too heavy. But what do I care about the argument between a foxbody and a F-body...... My G-body buick eats them both for dinner. (stock for stock as well as modded)

P.S. Just had to put that last comment in nobody talks about a "Buick" like they do a camaro or mustang :icon16:

hey hyp i work there and i dont see many camaros.. i see much more mustangs... and you want to talk to a expert about the 3rd gen engines go talk to my dad and he'll even say the camaro is better performance.. hes been working on cars for 34 yrs and knows all that shit.. ill give him his garage # if you want me too.. serious. and yeah i did beat on alot stangs..

Hey I've got no beef against buick, well the older ones anyway. Great cars. Well the GN kicked much ass. But this is becomeing to much of a pissing contest here. We're a bunch of camaroholics in here and we're not gonna give in so there's no point.

o yeah never said i was a mechanic... big difference when you help out at a garage then being a mechanic.. i dont think theres any 16 yr old mechanics and if theyre its very rare.. I just see tons of mustangs rolling through my dads garage... and i own a camaro and never ever gave me a prob.. but my friends always have issues with there mustangs.. i wonder why... begging my dad too help them.. and i aint sayin camaro is perfect either..

Sorry 'bout the GN post. It was a joke to show that is was turning into a pissing contest. Kinda like the "my dad can beat up your dad" kind of thing. Guess thats hard to show on the internet

I started turning wrenches when I was 14 and rebuilt my first engine when I was 16.

I was 12 when I did my firs engine rebuid........ 5HP briggs and stratton :iceslolan

heheh nah i mean as a professional... not rebuilding engines.. but yeah thats cool

Hey that don't count. I did a weed eater engine when I was 11 or 12

lmao, yeah well i did a model engine when i was 8 :-P but ok, here i go on my litle piece of the action. the 305, from the factory, as a TBI will not take a 302 mustang. sorry, its true. not as much power, too much weight, and not as rev happy, its a torque motor, not hp. the TPI 305 had a better chance. but its still limmited,and with those long runners, is even more of a low rev torqe engine. while yet again, the 302 was a hgh winding hp motor. now the 5.7L TPI engine, would beat the 5.0 musting. now i hope i dont have to tell anyone on here that i am a little less than a mustang fan, i lvoe my camaros, thats why i own two of them (at leasat for a little while longer :( ) but the 5.0 mustang was no joke back in the day. the 302 is a solid motor, why im building the chevy 302 for my baby. (and yes, there was a chvey 302 long before ford had one circa 1969 for anyone who asks why im putting a ford engine in my camaro, thats so annoying) but yeah, the fact that all you do at your dads shop is little stuff on camaros and lots on stangs, is cuz chances are the camaro guys fix their own problems, not that nothing is going wrong with them. i mean, i work on probly ten vettes a week at work and have yet to see a third gen camaro. does that mean that the third gen is a better car than the vette??? hardley, it means that the vette owners dont want to get their hands dirty, so they pay me to fix it. while the camaro guys fix their own crap. it all has to do with the owner, not teh car. trust me, there is plenty to go wrong with the third gen camaro, my IROC is prime example. she needs alot of TLC (just bought her from a guy in arkansas, no state inspection or emmisions, ever, let your imagination roam as to the possible problems.) but yeah, id say that as far as V8 third gens, camaros and firebirds, the IROC and equivilent firebird were top of the hill. ive even heard of a TPI 350 firebird right off the showrrom floor in 1989 beating a saleen mustang. of the same year. so they were hot. but as soon as you get into the 305's, sorry to say it 92RS, it gets iffy. and the TBI 305, in stock form, is a truck motor, not a performanec engine. so the 5.0 stang would eat it alive. god i feel dirty just saying that.

Hey iROC your right.. the 305 cant beat 302 but i like 305 better...

yeah i see more mustangs then camaros thats all... But they do give lots of headaches as well... not saying 302 is a terrible engine i was just never into ford stuff

My G-body buick eats them both for dinner. (stock for stock as well as modded)

In a straight line perhaps - throw in a few curves and I'll be wiping the floor with you. Top speed - that aerodynamic Brick, er, Buick would have a hell of a time keeping up on a top speed run. :p Eh, I couldn't let you get off that easy man! This is just me getting in on the "sword" pissing wars.

But think about this one - how would a 350 V8 perform equiped with a Buick turbo-intercooler? Eh?? :grinno:

Ok I'm done pulling your chain bros. Regarding the 3rd gen Fox & F-Body Camaro's, I grew up driving in both cars - I love 5.0L Mustang GT's and LX's (have never given me any competition though) and I simply worship '87-90 IROC-Z's - and I can remember both cars being fairly even. Some days the General got the Horse and other days the Stang ran away. Not that magazines are always to be taken as fact, but pick up any Motortrend or Road & Track from back then and you'll recall the old saying that the 302 cars were lighter and faster than the 305's but not quite as fast as the 350's.

There have always been exceptions of course - factory freaks, lemons, and just driver ability. Again, we're talking about fairly even cars - any olde stories of blowing away one or the other most likely had something to do with the above mentioned circumstances - no two ways about it.

In a straight line perhaps - throw in a few curves and I'll be wiping the floor with you. Top speed - that aerodynamic Brick, er, Buick would have a hell of a time keeping up on a top speed run. :p Eh, I couldn't let you get off that easy man! This is just me getting in on the "sword" pissing wars.

But think about this one - how would a 350 V8 perform equiped with a Buick turbo-intercooler? Eh?? :grinno:

Ok I'm done pulling your chain bros. Regarding the 3rd gen Fox & F-Body Camaro's, I grew up driving in both cars - I love 5.0L Mustang GT's and LX's (have never given me any competition though) and I simply worship '87-90 IROC-Z's - and I can remember both cars being fairly even. Some days the General got the Horse and other days the Stang ran away. Not that magazines are always to be taken as fact, but pick up any Motortrend or Road & Track from back then and you'll recall the old saying that the 302 cars were lighter and faster than the 305's but not quite as fast as the 350's.

There have always been exceptions of course - factory freaks, lemons, and just driver ability. Again, we're talking about fairly even cars - any olde stories of blowing away one or the other most likely had something to do with the above mentioned circumstances - no two ways about it.

the 350 tpi could not handle the GN turbo and intercooler setup. That is if your just talking about putting one directly on. That motor in stock form would not handle 14 PSI. They used G-body cars in nascar so it's not that much of a brick, I undersand the camaro/trans am has better aerodynamics, The 3rd gen trans am is one of the more areodynamic bodys that GM made. Stock for stock a GN can outrun a 3rd gen on the topend. They did put my engine in a Trans am for the 20th anniversary. It was the pace car for the indy 500. It is the only car to have paced the indy 500 with the only mod being stobe lights and a couple decals. As far as the handling goes..... you got me, But hey it's a street machine not a corner hugger. Besides most of the racing that goes on around here is in a stright line.

Throw in a few curves ill just get you in the straight away :smokin:

P.S. last comment was a little friendly fun. Nice car (assuming that your aviatar is your car.) I really like the silver camaros

Ok Iroc, a little trivia. Why was the CHEVY 302 manufactured??? 10 points if you get the right answer.

Ok Iroc, a little trivia. Why was the CHEVY 302 manufactured??? 10 points if you get the right answer.

302 was created for trans am racing in the late 60's, to meet the 305 cid limit. 283 crank + 327 block, same bore and stroke as a ford 302 :)

Well, I am a Ford guy 1992 RS, but I am going to guess it was to meet Trans Am's displacement guidlelines.

BTW, back in the day my brother had two different 305 3rd gen Trans Am's ( I honestly couldn't tell you if they were TBI or TPI...I never asked or wrenched on them.) I had a 91 5.0 LX notchback automatic for a while and in every imrpomptu drag race I absolutely decimated him every time. (No offense intended at all to the Camaro guys)

I drove both of his cars on several occasions, and while they were much better suited to twisty roads than the Mustang, the power difference was more than noticeable.One was obviously "tweaked" when he bought it, and felt much stronger for it. But, he still wasn't faster than me.

A couple years after I got rid of my LX he ended up with a late eighties GTA. 5.7L and a very, very good looking car I might add. Much better looking than any 4th gen F-body IMO. That car would, IMO, have taken my Mustang as it felt much stouter than the 305 cars. However, get unfair and throw in the five speed for LX and I think the race just got a lot closer. IMO, just about even.

He had a chance to buy a "rebuildable" but wrecked 20th anniversary T/A once, and I begged him to do it. But, he was "scared" of the turbo six. Weiner.
Now THAT car would have kicked my......well, you know.

D+*n my slow typing. I knew that boosted..I really did.

Well, I am a Ford guy 1992 RS, but I am going to guess it was to meet Trans Am's displacement guidlelines.

BTW, back in the day my brother had two different 305 3rd gen Trans Am's ( I honestly couldn't tell you if they were TBI or TPI...I never asked or wrenched on them.) I had a 91 5.0 LX notchback automatic for a while and in every imrpomptu drag race I absolutely decimated him every time. (No offense intended at all to the Camaro guys)

I drove both of his cars on several occasions, and while they were much better suited to twisty roads than the Mustang, the power difference was more than noticeable.One was obviously "tweaked" when he bought it, and felt much stronger for it. But, he still wasn't faster than me.

A couple years after I got rid of my LX he ended up with a late eighties GTA. 5.7L and a very, very good looking car I might add. Much better looking than any 4th gen F-body IMO. That car would, IMO, have taken my Mustang as it felt much stouter than the 305 cars. However, get unfair and throw in the five speed for LX and I think the race just got a lot closer. IMO, just about even.

He had a chance to buy a "rebuildable" but wrecked 20th anniversary T/A once, and I begged him to do it. But, he was "scared" of the turbo six. Weiner.
Now THAT car would have kicked my......well, you know.


the turbo 6's are a little bit more complicated then a tpi but they are worth it

Well the LX 5.0 was a lot faster than the GT's..I know that's not the point at all, but I thought I'd throw that in. And good job on the trivia question. That's exactly why they did it. And it was the shit too.

the 350 tpi could not handle the GN turbo and intercooler setup. That is if your just talking about putting one directly on. That motor in stock form would not handle 14 PSI. They used G-body cars in nascar so it's not that much of a brick, I undersand the camaro/trans am has better aerodynamics, The 3rd gen trans am is one of the more areodynamic bodys that GM made. Stock for stock a GN can outrun a 3rd gen on the topend. They did put my engine in a Trans am for the 20th anniversary. It was the pace car for the indy 500. It is the only car to have paced the indy 500 with the only mod being stobe lights and a couple decals. As far as the handling goes..... you got me, But hey it's a street machine not a corner hugger. Besides most of the racing that goes on around here is in a stright line.

Throw in a few curves ill just get you in the straight away :smokin:

P.S. last comment was a little friendly fun. Nice car (assuming that your aviatar is your car.) I really like the silver camaros

:grinno: I was actually thinking about turboing a 350 LT1 - but regardless, a Buick turbo would not even fit under the hood of a 4th gen and you're right the engine would rip itself apart if just bolted on. Would definitely need forged 9.5:1 compression pistons, 4340 rods and crank, 4 bolt caps, & forged pushrods wouldn't hurt either. It was just a silly suggestion on my part anyways (although some nuts out there with coin DO go for the LS1 TT setup).

The 3rd gen TA's were very aerodynamic for their time, but you think more than a 4th gen Camaro? Besides the exposed quad lights on my car its a sick slope from the nose tip to the top of the windshield. BlackCamaroSS is always mentioning the big reason why the 4th gen F-platform was axed was because it didn't meet 2004 crash test standards, and after looking at my Z now I believe it - if a high SUV or car ever hit me head on it would be like driving up a nice ramp right into my lap! :nono:

Ya I was pulling your leg before - GN's are wicked cars! Although they only came in black I couldn't see them look that good in any other colour! As for mine - thanks for the compliment. The best thing about silver (or grey paint jobs also) is they are the easiest to keep clean.

:grinno: I was actually thinking about turboing a 350 LT1 - but regardless, a Buick turbo would not even fit under the hood of a 4th gen and you're right the engine would rip itself apart if just bolted on. Would definitely need forged 9.5:1 compression pistons, 4340 rods and crank, 4 bolt caps, & forged pushrods wouldn't hurt either. It was just a silly suggestion on my part anyways (although some nuts out there with coin DO go for the LS1 TT setup).

The 3rd gen TA's were very aerodynamic for their time, but you think more than a 4th gen Camaro? Besides the exposed quad lights on my car its a sick slope from the nose tip to the top of the windshield. BlackCamaroSS is always mentioning the big reason why the 4th gen F-platform was axed was because it didn't meet 2004 crash test standards, and after looking at my Z now I believe it - if a high SUV or car ever hit me head on it would be like driving up a nice ramp right into my lap! :nono:

Ya I was pulling your leg before - GN's are wicked cars! Although they only came in black I couldn't see them look that good in any other colour! As for mine - thanks for the compliment. The best thing about silver (or grey paint jobs also) is they are the easiest to keep clean.
Yea at least they did not come in that puke green that Regals where known to come in. Well I don't know about the TA being more aerodynamic but I read somewhere that the majority of cars that have a production body and hold some type of land speed record where 3rd Gen GTA's . Ill try to find more on that.

lol, geeze 92RS, you knew i knew that one right???? that engien was a beast, with the twin four barrels, it ran sub five second zero to sixties, and while the mags said it was enemic at low speed, once it wound up, it pulled like a hemi. rated at 290hp, and 290lbs/ft. but tested llater, ive heard of 390hp, but ive been told by others on this forum that they were closer to 350. but still, a bad ass ride none the less. too bad they didnt put the 302 in the third gens, instead of the 305. how bout that for a trivia question. who here knows why the 305 came about????

cuz california sucks ass probably

Now THAT was funny. lol

I read about this though, and can't remember exactly. It was either that or the trans am rules changed or something. Shit I can't remember.

late eighties GTA. 5.7L and a very, very good looking car I might add. Much better looking than any 4th gen F-body IMO.
<----got one of those :smokin: ....though 4th Gens I think look better especially the Firehawk, the interior of a 3rd gen GTA I think is much more appealing then any 4th generation Firebird.

I had a buddy with a 69 Z28 that 302 was worked over and could be spun to the moon.
Had engine work done so he could pull it to 10K rpm.. Let me tell you that was freaking scary and awesome all at the same time...

As much as I hate to admit it 3rd gen stang had a bit mor ass than a 3rd gen maro... But just didnt look as cool and rode a bit rough too.

DING DING DING, 305 was born because of emmissions. the large bore of the 302, with loose clearances, created lots and lots of hydrocarbons. (unburned fuel) so the 305 was created with a small bore to minimize the primary creator of this emmision, the piston edge. no one stopped and thought about the bore to stroke ratio, and see that it was horrible. they were focused on running cleaner. different times, different priorites. 302 = fast and scary, 305 = clean and tidy :)

Where did you find that 302 Iroc??? I think I want one.

never knew chevy made 302

Sure did, and if they kept it around longer it would be just as popular if not more so than the 350. Can you say 8k red line?? oh yeah baby.

what years were they produce and what GM models were they in?

1969 Z28 was the only one that I know of

lol the MUSTANG forum banned my Z28boy1991 name

ok what did you do?

it was a mustang vs camaro thing and i originally posted camaro all the way and then they started shit with me about how im a noob and all this garbage so i then replied back and the Mustang Mod jerk banned me..

Lol

1967-1969 were the years of the 302. as far as where i got mine, im making it. cuztom scat crank at 3.211inches, and a 4.030 bore., yeah i know it adds up to 327.5 cid, but its just a 4in bore and 3 inch stroke, bored .030 over, and ofset stroked .211inches with baby bearings, 1.889 vs 2.100. but as far as getting a real one, try EBAY!!! oh and if you want to use a one piece rear main seal block, good luck, no one makes a 3in stroke crank for that block. thats why i have to get a custom billet from scat. 2200 bucks. ouch. and carrilo rods, 2000 bucks. *wince* 302 badges on my third gen's hood.... priceless :)

oh and the 302 was ONLY in the camaro. i think its the only chevy engine with that honor.

IROC

Thats cool you going to make it rev to what?
I was thinking of doing that myself but I wanted a little more grunt off the line without having to drop it at 4 grand.

well, this is gonna be a steet motor, and a TPI motor at that, so 8k isnt in my plan. the longer stroke and the long runners will bring the torque in down low. so probly 6k is as high as ill run her. but normal daily driving along the lines of 4500 to 5000 is as high as shes goin. shes gonna have a relitively small cam, less than .490 inches, so its not gonna be a super rev happy engine. even though it could be. i dont want to drive it like a ricer, ill take my revs nice and low :)

Sounds good bro what are you going to do with your old motor?

Sounds good bro what are you going to do with your old motor?

it was a mustang vs camaro thing and i originally posted camaro all the way and then they started shit with me about how im a noob and all this garbage so i then replied back and the Mustang Mod jerk banned me..

You got banned cause you had a lousy attitude. Don't know what you are talking about and think your Camaro is the baddest thing to grace pavement. And HiFlow should have banned you even sooner than he did.

well thats just dandy GTSTANG

Oh yes it is! Hey maybe you learned something and can now be a productive member of AF. I was just explaining the details of your banning you wanted to leave out.

hey man, its not enough that you kicked him from the stang forum, now you gotta hound him here, geeze, give the kid a break, let him trash talk the stangs on the camaro forum if he wants, we all do. crap you do!!!! look at your sig. we all talk up our cars, if you ask me, my 305 RS can take a mclaren. stock! :)

as far as the old engine vlad, ill be using everything but the long block. so its just the block, rotating assembly and heads. and ill probly bag em and tag em, and keep em around just in case. ya know, if i ever want to restore the car to original condition some day down the road. everything im doing to the car is reversable.

the 305 came out when the 307 went away.
i think to save money the gm changed to the 305
to use the 350's crank because after the 350 replaced the 327 the 307 was the only engine to
use the 327 crankshaft and the 350 had it's own crank. also because of the increased stroke they could decrease the bore more for emissions.

for the debate i thought of an "Ask Marlan" fromCar Craft may '99 and the table of camaro TPI vs. mustang 5.0L EFI it went...
Avg. Z28 5.0L-TPI/5-speed: 15.03@92
'91 Camaro B4C 5.7L/Auto
(police car w/lightbar): 14.8@93.45
'91 Camaro 1LE 5.0L-TPI/5-speed
(230hp lightweight car): 14.78@93.85
Avg. Mustang GT 5.0L/5-speed: 14.7@92
Avg.Mustang LX 5.0L/5-speed
(lightweight car): 14.4@95
'91 Camaro 1LE 5.7L/Auto
(245hp lightweight car): 14.31@96
the article also had a possability as to how the mustang got it's "kick-butt reputation"...
most V-8 third-gen. camaros had only a 305-TBI
even the TPI cars there were levels of performance depending on cam and exhaust system and rear end ratio. the really good TPI cars were few in numbers while all mustangs were pretty much alike plus ford was developing aftermarket for the mustang while gm cared about other stuff.

more times from C/D and M/T
year car ci hp tq wt 60 1/4
84 SVO 140/176/210 3102 7.5 15.5@90
85 IROC 5-sp. 305/190/240 3442 7.5 15.4@90 L-69
85 IROC Auto 305/215/275 3510 7.0 15.2@91 TPI
87 Saleen 302/225/300 3289 7.5 15.2@90
89 MustangLX 302/225/300 3187 6.2 14.8@95
89 Turbo TA 231/250/340 3468 4.6 13.4@101
93 Cobra 302/235/285 3248 5.6 14.3@98
93 Z28 350/275/325 3452 5.3 14@100
93 Formula 350/275/325 3434 5.5 14.2@99
79 Z28 350/170/265 3560 8.5 16.4@84.8
79 Mustang 302/140/250 2962 8.7 16.8@82

also the TBI 305 IS a truck engine my friends van has the same LO3 RPO. the TBI was the base V-8 and it replaced the LG4 which was the old base V-8, also 305 ci, the normal car engine. all those 305s and the olds 307, on top of being natural torque makers, all were designed to make maximum low end torque to overcome gm's fuel economy solution of rear gears as low as 2.14:1 but ford probably did the same thing
also the normal FI ford 302 was rated close to the 305 in hp and ford never offerd the boring 302 in the mustang
so it comes down to personal preference between gm and ford

but i'll always go with GM

WELL IM GLAD I FOUND THIS POST... i own both cars and i work on them lightly , cus i aint no cert tech, my 89 foxbody cherry red convertible and my 91 maro RS. i absolutely loooooove my stang.... the high quick rev and all the torque is fun, i love how it handles, and it catches the eye but in the end the F-BODY gets it, I think the camaro lays constant, steady and stable power down. my mustang gets so fishy everytime i lay on it, and i jus think when i get on the camaro it STICKS!!!!
of course the low center of gravity and wider body help but in the end give it up to the third gen F-Body i like t-tops better than a leaky ass top anyway.

In 1987 When Ford Reintroduced The Efi Motor And Tweaked The Cars Look A Bit. It Was Considered The Fastest Stock Mustang Ever. If You Bought The Notch Lx With A 5.0 5-spd With The Optional 3.08 Race Gear, All You Had To Do Was Lighten It Up(seats, And Extraeneous Trim) It, For A Fact, Ran 12.80's. If You Dont Believe Me Just Read The April 2002 Issue Of Muscle Mustangs And Fast Fords.....250hp-2600lbs(mustang) Vs. 240hp-3200lbs(firebird) Do The Math...by The Way Most 3rd Gen Camaros With V8's Didnt Have The 5.7's Until About 1990. Even Then It Was Only An Optional Motor. Before That You Had A 5.0 Tpi In The Camaro And God Be With You If You Had The 5.0 Quadrajet Motor. The Mustang Was By Far A Better Vehicle, And Lets Not Get Into Manueverability Becuase Thats Too Much Typing. And The Only Reason I "know" All This Is Because Ive Had The Best Of Both

Oops The Efi 5.0 Was 225 Hp.....my Bad Too Much Typing

Ford Also Had T-tops On The Mustang From 82 Until A Very Few In 87

In 1987 When Ford Reintroduced The Efi Motor And Tweaked The Cars Look A Bit. It Was Considered The Fastest Stock Mustang Ever. If You Bought The Notch Lx With A 5.0 5-spd With The Optional 3.08 Race Gear, All You Had To Do Was Lighten It Up(seats, And Extraeneous Trim) It, For A Fact, Ran 12.80's. If You Dont Believe Me Just Read The April 2002 Issue Of Muscle Mustangs And Fast Fords.....250hp-2600lbs(mustang) Vs. 240hp-3200lbs(firebird) Do The Math...by The Way Most 3rd Gen Camaros With V8's Didnt Have The 5.7's Until About 1990. Even Then It Was Only An Optional Motor. Before That You Had A 5.0 Tpi In The Camaro And God Be With You If You Had The 5.0 Quadrajet Motor. The Mustang Was By Far A Better Vehicle, And Lets Not Get Into Manueverability Becuase Thats Too Much Typing. And The Only Reason I "know" All This Is Because Ive Had The Best Of Both

350 tpi was in a few car in 85 ,more in 86 and even more in 87 and so on and so on. Ive driven both. After driving a camaro pretty much my whole time on the road, a mustang handles like a cadillac. Its high up and doesnt feel like its hugging the road at all while the camaro seems planted on the pavement. Altho I did enjoy the somewhat ample horsepower of a 91 GT motor. My lil 305 HO carb motor cant keep up with the newer (89+) 5.0's on the straightaway. My 97 sure can tho heheh:) but thats a much newer car. Ive never met anyone with an 83-84 mustang with a 302 , not one thats near stock anyways. Id love to run a v8 84 mustang in stock trim and see how I do. I dont think 84 was a good year for any muscle car.

yeah, i might give the strait away to the stang for those years, cuz the 305 was a dog engine, but all you have to do is go to car and driver or any other mag, and the camaro always beat the stang. my best description was that the camaro was a serious car, that performed like it was. and the stang was a fun bubbly car. lol. thanx, fun is always good, but when im driving, im always very serious.

my best description was that the camaro was a serious car, that performed like it was. and the stang was a fun bubbly car. lol. thanx, fun is always good, but when im driving, im always very serious.

Man oh man looks like someone is waving their private parts in their general direction.... :evillol: :eek7: :lol2: :lol: :rofl:

I use to have an 83 Mustang GT exactly the same as an 84. When I first got it, it was completely stock. It's power and speed are nothing to(175hp) write home about but in 83 it was the highest rated HP Domestic car with that 175hp. Shows how bad times had gotten for
Muscle Cars.

Here is Road & Track's opinion on the battle.

http://www.iroc-z.com/articles/articlepages/1986-2Road&Trackarticle.htm

it was a mustang vs camaro thing and i originally posted camaro all the way and then they started shit with me about how im a noob and all this garbage so i then replied back and the Mustang Mod jerk banned me..
Looks like I should have done an IP ban too. Maybe this time you will learn to be productive.

Doh!!

Looks like I should have done an IP ban too. Maybe this time you will learn to be productive.

I agree with Hiflow..... Don't make is sound so innocent and try to make Hiflow look bad. You had it coming.

I use to have an 83 Mustang GT exactly the same as an 84. When I first got it, it was completely stock. It's power and speed are nothing to(175hp) write home about but in 83 it was the highest rated HP Domestic car with that 175hp. Shows how bad times had gotten for
Muscle Cars.

Here is Road & Track's opinion on the battle.

http://www.iroc-z.com/articles/articlepages/1986-2Road&Trackarticle.htm

If im not mistaken wasnt 83 the first year of the 305 HO (L69 )in the camaro ??? 190hp/245tq , I believe that would have had it on top that year. I cant imagine a time when my 84 was king of the hill performance wise. I love the car all the same tho. It has enough torque to deal with most unserious ricers altho theres what I would say is a 13 second civic down here , which would hand me my ass. Every now and then my car surprises me tho ....

If im not mistaken wasnt 83 the first year of the 305 HO (L69 )in the camaro ??? 190hp/245tq , I believe that would have had it on top that year. I cant imagine a time when my 84 was king of the hill performance wise. I love the car all the same tho. It has enough torque to deal with most unserious ricers altho theres what I would say is a 13 second civic down here , which would hand me my ass. Every now and then my car surprises me tho ....

Every where I have read the 83 Mustang GT's 175hp was the most out of a domestic mostly cause no Vette that year. The Camaro's was 165hp I believe that year. Then in 84 the return of the Vette made the Vette the highest. Believe me when I drove my 83 GT in stock form and the found out that was the highest HP domestic in 83. I though those must of been some really sad days for America performance car lovers.

Every where I have read the 83 Mustang GT's 175hp was the most out of a domestic mostly cause no Vette that year. The Camaro's was 165hp I believe that year. Then in 84 the return of the Vette made the Vette the highest. Believe me when I drove my 83 GT in stock form and the found out that was the highest HP domestic in 83. I though those must of been some really sad days for America performance car lovers.
Actually the specs I have for 83 list the Z28 with 190hp at 4800 rpms and 240 ft-lbs or torque at 3200 rpms. It was 82 where the Z28 made 165 hp with the LU5 305ci motor.

And yes BigJustin, 83 was the first year for the L69 305ci motor in the Z28.

Actually the specs I have for 83 list the Z28 with 190hp at 4800 rpms and 240 ft-lbs or torque at 3200 rpms. It was 82 where the Z28 made 165 hp with the LU5 305ci motor.

And yes BigJustin, 83 was the first year for the L69 305ci motor in the Z28.

Yea ya all right it was 83 for the L69 making 190hp. I stand corrected.

Every where I have read the 83 Mustang GT's 175hp was the most out of a domestic mostly cause no Vette that year. The Camaro's was 165hp I believe that year. Then in 84 the return of the Vette made the Vette the highest. Believe me when I drove my 83 GT in stock form and the found out that was the highest HP domestic in 83. I though those must of been some really sad days for America performance car lovers.

they were surely sad days for the american muscle car. Altho I think the cars of the period outhandled anything from the 60's and they were somewhat more refined. Ill give the 84 l69 one thing , I got 183k miles on the stock bottom end and I have beaten the hell outta the thing and the bottom end has never given (knocking on wooden desk furiously).

wow, i just got trumped in camaro knowledge by two stang bangers lol, thats kind depressing.

i always thought the 3rd gen Mustangs were the Mustang II's or the Mustangs of that era. And the foxes were the 4th generation?

i aint a mustang fan... big deal hiflow... let it go.. jesus.... it like happened over a week ago haha.... its old...

its hilarious too you ban everybody that you dont agree with.. if there a asshole or not... let ppl have there own opinion... not everybody likes the stang..

i aint a mustang fan... big deal hiflow... let it go.. jesus.... it like happened over a week ago haha.... its old...


Wow man your like that person who just has to always get in the last word. He didn't ban your IP, if you just dropped it, no more would be made of it but you just have to keep pushing.

wow, i just got trumped in camaro knowledge by two stang bangers lol, thats kind depressing.
Hey man don't worry about it. I may own a Mustang, and prefer them, but contrary to popular belief, I actually like many other makes and models, even Camaro's.

its hilarious too you ban everybody that you dont agree with.. if there a asshole or not... let ppl have there own opinion... not everybody likes the stang..
Oh yeah, cause I have banned so many people. :screwy: I have banned a total of three people, all of which were recking havoc. Consider yourself lucky that your still around.

what can i say .... thanks

damn, so much animosity

haha

Cant we all just get along :smokin: :iceslolan

i honeslty dont even care anymore and never shouldd... all i did is posted up my opinion...

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Where are you fellas getting your Camaro-Mustang info? Honestly, the Mustangs 5.0 302 featured a factory roller camshaft and factory tubular headers with true dual exhaust.... and ran anywhere from mid 14's (in the lightweight trunk edition coupe) and mid 15's (the hatchback models)in the quarter mile from the factory. GMs 5.0 305 was lucky to run in the 15 second range. Actually the 1987 and later IROC 5.7 (350) L98 TPI motors were only recording times of mid 14's to low 15's........ I have vintage factory VHS and DVD footage on my website at www.SuperCarVideos.com to prove this.....

One thing I will add is the Mustang had absolutely "nothing" on the Camaro in the handling and braking dept. The Camaros suspension componants were ahead of there time......

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I say shoot the fucker. He has it coming with that goofy look on his face and shoot the rest of these fuckers while your at it. I'll miss you guys.

eh, you feeling alright there John??? :eek7: :grinno:

And did anyone else notice (ah-hem! coughmodscough) that this thread is over a bloody year old?

I feel fine, don't take it personally that I said to shoot you. I have been postals for years now. I am just expressing myself also its a been a hobby of Geno's for a couple of months now to bring threads back from the dead although the newbie started it.

it was the "I'll miss you guys" part that confused me...

I don't even remember posting in this thread its so old.
Randy's out!

(for good)

i once beat an old lady in her wheel chair with my mustang and a old guy in a gremlin with my camaro

sorry it took awhile, This thread is offically done....


If I catch anyone elese bringing up old threads like this, it will be a min. month vacation from AF! :nono:

This is also a warning... supercarvideos... don't try to advertise stuff for sale. I will be watching you like a hawk. If I see any posts with that link in them again, you are done.

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