I really had my heart set on a DRAG 3 turbo kit, but i dont really wanna have to worry about it as much, and i dont really wanna screw up my engine.

So now im thinkin about the GREDDY Kit with the intercooler. Are the Greddy kits any good. I will proabably be runnin only about 7 pounds of boost. Will the greddy kit be better for my emmission worries (i think that with the drag kit i wont pass emmissions, but what about with the greddy kit???) Thanks for all of your help!!

Nevermind, i think i changed my mind. I dont really know what im gonna do. I wanna have a Turbo car, but i hear DRAG KITS arent reliable, and That they arnt street legal (biggest problem) but i dont know a lot about the Greddy kit and i dont know if they even make one for my car (RS)??

Please tell me your opinions!!!!

I am pretty much set on a Turbo cuz i wanna get my car over 200hp. (it has 140 now). But if you know of any supercharger that can give those kinds of gains, im open to suggestions, and any other turbo kits that you know of im open to also. F-Max maybe??? Is it street legal???? How would the gains compair to DRAG 3 (same turbo isnt it??).

What i dont understand is how would a turbo effect emmissions cuz all the gasses are doing is spinning a turbine and then coming out where it would have come out anyway? So what else is coming out that wouldnt have come out without the turbo??? Thanks.

Sorry i have so many questions, but when it comes down to 3 grand, i wanna make the right decision!!!

turbo's are only as smart as the person messing around with them...seems to me you have little knowledge on how a turbocharger works...you see it simply as a way to gain HP....get a better knowledge on how they work and then start out small, with a greddy kit, even non intercooled...work with it, then go on to something bigger like a drag3...you can boost 7lbs though daily on a b18b...fuel management and MAINTENANCE are important....hood up, hood down, hood up, hood down, h...well, you get the point....:D

go here... www.howstuffworks.com

as for the carb exemption of the drag and similar kits, it's partly because of the external wastegate and how it's dumped. Don't get me wrong, youmight be able to get away with the breather test(if a 3way cat in still intact), but you'll never pass visual inspection

I dont even know if they do a visual inspection. Last time i took my car in for emmissions all they did was stick something up my exhaust (i guess it sences the toxins??) and put it on those wheels in the ground and bring it up to 25mph. Then he took my gas cap and saw how much pressure it could handle. And then he let me go!!!!

Originally posted by Adampops
I dont even know if they do a visual inspection. Last time i took my car in for emmissions all they did was stick something up my exhaust (i guess it sences the toxins??) and put it on those wheels in the ground and bring it up to 25mph. Then he took my gas cap and saw how much pressure it could handle. And then he let me go!!!!

Honestly.. I think youll be best off going with the Greddy Turbo kit. It uses the 18G Turbo for the which is capably of putting out over 400 hp, so by no means is it too small. With only running 7lbs of boost, you should beable to pass echeck, you may want to see if you can get ahold of someone at greddy and make sure The integra kit is indeed carb certified, and is legal. Greddy is saying the only dealers they have in Ohio are in Columbus, Passen Motorsports (614-442-1011 or 614-882-2082 they maybe able to answer some questions about the kit as well.). The other thing, as of right now, They havent exactly come out with an LS/RS kit for the Teg yet, Thats not saying you cant get the GSR kit to work on your car. Im not exactly sure what would be different but Im sure you could get it to work. Im thinking it probably has something to do with the piggyback system they have since you dont have VTEC Im not sure how that would work. But I think they are working on a Kit for the LS/RS. Your best bet maybe waiting, taking the time to save some money, and learn more about turbos, how they work, how to tune them, what else you should get with the Kit like gauges, and ignition stuff and fuel stuff. All these things arent a bad idea to get before you buy a turbo, because they will help safegaurd your system from Detonation, and blowing your motor up.

Read all of these articles on this page and you'll have a better understanding of how a turbo works. http://www.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

I think that you will be best off with the greddy kit as well but I've also heard that the F-MAX kits are pretty good, but they seem really expensive to me.

http://www.f-max.com/
http://www.greddy.com/

Good Luck! :D

Okay, now you guys have me thinking that a turbo may be better for me than the Jackson Racing Supecharger that I was considering. Here is what I want, you tell me if this Greddy turbo is what I should buy. I want to be able to kick the Z28/SS/Mustang/Vette guys into the weeds and have a RELIABLE car. I would prefer NOT to have to do any major engine work to support this. I want a good quality kit that will bolt in without having to be a big pain in the butt needing "custom" (i.e. the kit quality was so low we have to make our own parts) work. Well, what's the story?

ive said it before ill say it again, vortech supercharger! a bone stock 99 civic si buts 242 hp to the wheels with this kit, a 99 si with intake header exhaust puts 272 to the wheels, plus since it it connected to your engine via a pulley u have a lot of that power in the low range, not just when u rev up and wait for the turbo to spool. instant power as soon as u hit the pedal, think about it for a minute... 272 hp to the wheels in a honda is not something to laugh at! especially when its not just high end like hondas are known for but u get gobs of power at low rpm too. even more impressive when u consider these numbers came from a nearly stock motor with no internal engine buildup! id check it out if i were u...

i would love to get a vortech, but they dont make one for my 94 teg RS. at least last time i looked they didnt.

i know they make one for integ gsr's, but i dunno bout rs's. if not vortech themselves maybe a diff company which still utilizes the vortech blower? i dunno where youd find it though, except start surfing around looking for "vortech integra" or something? sorry i cant be more help?

1. have you seen a dyno graph of a vortech charged SI? Most, if not all of the power is made up top near redline...compare it to a regular drag3 kit...

2. AS for the vortech making a lot of power on the low end(like a roots type)it's not true. The voretech makes power just like any turbo out there.

3. a belt driven system can make a lot of power(i don't doubt that), but it needs power to make power. That's where hondas falls flat

4. for the price of 4000 bucks, I would rather get a drag3 kit and be much happier with more torque and more money to spend

5. the 272whp was on 10lbs(standard pressure is 8lbs) and extensive tuning(it was the vortech porject car, they had to make it look good), I've seen turbo kits on DOHC VTEC motors produce the same and more with 8-10lbs also...

6. I'm aware that everyone has there own opinions, but let's face facts here. IF YOU WANT A TON OF EFFICIENT POWER, THEN TURBO IS THE WAY TO GO!!!!!!

a turbo and a super make power in the same way, both force more air into the engine. they way they differ i dhte turbo is driven by exhaust pressure, and the super is driven by a pully attached to the accesory belt. when u hit the gas in a turbocharged car, u must wait for the engine to produce enough exhaust pressure to spin the turbos compressor, whereas with a supercharger the spinning of the compressor is directly related to the engines rpm. so heres the scenario, youre driving along in your civic and another civic pulls up next to u. in this scenario well say the 2 vehicles weigh exactly the same, make the exact same power, have the exact same power curves, and both drivers are perfect. the only difference is one has an exhaust driven compressor (turbo) and the other has a belt driven compressor (super). now both drivers drop gears, they both hit 2nd at the exact same time and both hit the gas at the exact same time, as they are both perfect drivers. the supercharged car will win. why, because when they both drop gears and hit the gas, the turbocharged car has lost all of its exhaust pressure do to releasing the gas during the downshift, and he must now build up the amount up exhaust pressure again that he needs to spin his compressor, while when the supercharged car dropped gear and let off the clutch, his engine rpm instantly climped with the gear change, and therefore his compressor is INSTANTLY spinning. he has his full potential power the moment he puts his foot on the gas, whilst the turbocharged car does not. now if the 2 cars had stopped next to each other at a stoplight it would be different since the turbo car can rev his motor up ahead of time to get his turbo spooling, and now the 2 cars will tie because they have equal power curves, weight, and both drivers are perfect. btw yes i have seen the dyno charts for the vortech kit, around 50 more hp and 50 more lb ft torque at the wheels at only 4000 rpm, before the vtec has even kicked in, before the exhaust has made enough pressure to sufficiently spool a turbo large enough to produce 272 whp, unless it is a very efficient turbo. and the car used in the test was not specially tuned, it had a tuned and programmed fuel control system, which is included, preprogrammed, with the kit.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
a turbo and a super make power in the same way, both force more air into the engine. they way they differ i dhte turbo is driven by exhaust pressure, and the super is driven by a pully attached to the accesory belt. when u hit the gas in a turbocharged car, u must wait for the engine to produce enough exhaust pressure to spin the turbos compressor, whereas with a supercharger the spinning of the compressor is directly related to the engines rpm. so heres the scenario, youre driving along in your civic and another civic pulls up next to u. in this scenario well say the 2 vehicles weigh exactly the same, make the exact same power, have the exact same power curves, and both drivers are perfect. the only difference is one has an exhaust driven compressor (turbo) and the other has a belt driven compressor (super). now both drivers drop gears, they both hit 2nd at the exact same time and both hit the gas at the exact same time, as they are both perfect drivers. the supercharged car will win. why, because when they both drop gears and hit the gas, the turbocharged car has lost all of its exhaust pressure do to releasing the gas during the downshift, and he must now build up the amount up exhaust pressure again that he needs to spin his compressor, while when the supercharged car dropped gear and let off the clutch, his engine rpm instantly climped with the gear change, and therefore his compressor is INSTANTLY spinning. he has his full potential power the moment he puts his foot on the gas, whilst the turbocharged car does not. now if the 2 cars had stopped next to each other at a stoplight it would be different since the turbo car can rev his motor up ahead of time to get his turbo spooling, and now the 2 cars will tie because they have equal power curves, weight, and both drivers are perfect. btw yes i have seen the dyno charts for the vortech kit, around 50 more hp and 50 more lb ft torque at the wheels at only 4000 rpm, before the vtec has even kicked in, before the exhaust has made enough pressure to sufficiently spool a turbo large enough to produce 272 whp, unless it is a very efficient turbo. and the car used in the test was not specially tuned, it had a tuned and programmed fuel control system, which is included, preprogrammed, with the kit.

I think you should stop readig magazines bro. HAve you ever driven a turbocharged car? YOur balls will melt in your pants. Do you have a vortech charged SI to prove your point? Hre's the facts....If you bring the RPMs up in a turbocharged vehicle, there will be exhaust there and spin the turbine....

and Yes, that was an extensively tuned car due to the fact that it was a Vortech Project car to show to the public....

a properly tuned and sized turbo for your application will make power as low as 1500rpm.

T3/04 hybrid turbos are NOT properly sized for their current application with 1.6-1.8 litre motors. something slightly smaller would be preferable to reduce rotational mass, thus overcoming lag.

in addition, a regulator on the wastegate will also increase spool up times by preventing the wastegate from opening early.

yes actually i have driven a turbocharged car, and if u can rev it up ahead of time then its great, but when u just stomp it off guard. or drop gears out of nowhere and go, like happens on the street a lot, nothing really happens for a few moments. im not saying theres anything wrong with a turbo, im just saying that when it comes to off throttle to sudden acceleration moments, a supercharger will be much better for the situation. i have driven in many an autocross, and lemme tell u the turbo cars get their asses kicked in the tighter courses every time, because the na and supercharged cars have instant power out of the corners and the turbos have to wait to spool. i know youre thinking "just heel-toe it and u wont have as much lag right" well that is true but doing that is much more complicated then simply letting off the gas when u need to hit the brakes, and a car that is easier to drive is easier to drive fast, and a car that is easier to drive fast will be able to be pushed harder before the driver meets his limits. not to mention turbo lag can be a scary thing in a front wheel drive car, like having a second torque-steer, u hit the gas, torque-steer halfway into the other lane, then suddenly BOOST and lots more torque steer. i dont speak from reading magazines i speak from actual racing experiance, both street, dragstrip, and autocross. a turbo small enough to spool very quickly, or an expensive ball bearing turbo would be a great choice, but u have to pick the right one. in a dragstrip or stoplight scenario the turbo will work as good if not better than anything else, but in off throttle or road racing its not the best choice. it all depends on the type off driving u do, neither one is absolutely better than the other.

I didn't bother to read your whole post, but from the first couple of words, I doubt you have driven a turbocharged car.

1. boost is built when the engine senses load...so revving the motor before you start moving would be pointless...

2. when you downshift, you are putting the engine under load, thus creating boost...

3. bring any vortech chared honda to St. Paul, MN and I can show you what a properly tuned turbocharged ls/vtec(in a CRX) can do...

I'm not trying to hate on you or vortech, but I'm just expressing my OPINION that trbos make power more effiecient than any supercharger...

i agree that turbos make power more efficiently than a supercharger, all im saying is that a turbo takes a moment to spool while a supercharger doesnt. yes boost is built when an engine is under load, but while the turbos boost is being built, the superchargers boost is ALREADY built. its compressor is ALREADY spinning at the speed it needs to in order to put forth the power it is regulated at, while the turbo must wait for its wheel to spin fast enough to put forth this much air. a turbo is a much better option as far as tuning goes, as there are no belts pulleys to change, but the fact is a supercharger gives a faster throttle response.

ok, ok...debate over!!! I think we should both keep ourselves out of this and let the original poster decide waht is best for his car...

alright agreed, internet-arguing is pretty dumb anyway :D .