Dose anyone know what the springs rates are on the ground control springs. I have a 94civic. Do you know if would be ok to get 300lb springs for the rear and 450 in the front or would would that be to stiff?

Man, I've answered you this 3 times in PMs, pick a name and stick with it. ;)

Those rates are fun, just DON'T go any stiffer for the rears as you'll have some bad handling reaction.

sorry man. I got it all together now this is the name that I am stick with. agian thanks and sorry. What are your spring rates? Honestly what would be a good size for a rear sway.People are tell me that a ITR sway is way to big for my civic that I should just stick with a Gsr sway.What do you think. Can I use the beaks it with a gsr sway or is it only ment for a ITR sway?

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic
Man, I've answered you this 3 times in PMs, pick a name and stick with it. ;)

Those rates are fun, just DON'T go any stiffer for the rears as you'll have some bad handling reaction.

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Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic
Man, I've answered you this 3 times in PMs, pick a name and stick with it. ;)

Those rates are fun, just DON'T go any stiffer for the rears as you'll have some bad handling reaction.


not so true, i have 850lb in the rear of my civic coupe

Bulst*t you have 850lb in the back. Do you got 600lb back seats or what? I am it's possible to have but why in the hell would you need that much stiffeness. Your handle's have got to be sh*ty as hell. It probaly just slides on the turns. What kind of shock do you have? I hate to be in the back seat while your driving.(to bumpy)

no bullshit, i have 850's in the rear. The reason-the track. Helps keep weight on the front tires under hard launches. Who says anyone sits in my rear seast. I have a cage. And yes this is a daily driven street car. It doesn't slide, it's a little bumpy but that's all. I use kyb agx shocks.

Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1
no bullshit, i have 850's in the rear. The reason-the track. Helps keep weight on the front tires under hard launches. Who says anyone sits in my rear seast. I have a cage. And yes this is a daily driven street car. It doesn't slide, it's a little bumpy but that's all. I use kyb agx shocks.

A little bumpy? :bs: Even the Tein HT coilover system (12xxlbs. front and 448lbs. rear) isn't that extreme in the rear and that's the best track one they offer.

If you have 850 rear, then explain for us all what twice as stiff rears than fronts will do to a FWD car.... Not why they do for you as you say, but theoretically why they will do for a FWD car in general. And while your at it, I'd like to know your full suspension setup.

Thats it you tell him!.......lol

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


A little bumpy? :bs: Even the Tein HT coilover system (12xxlbs. front and 448lbs. rear) isn't that extreme in the rear and that's the best track one they offer.

If you have 850 rear, then explain for us all what twice as stiff rears than fronts will do to a FWD car.... Not why they do for you as you say, but theoretically why they will do for a FWD car in general. And while your at it, I'd like to know your full suspension setup.

You're a moderator on a web board about cars and have no clue why a stiffer rear suspension will help a fwd car at the track? First, when i said it was a little bumpy, i was being a smartass, but the rear end does not get squirly on me. Why does it work, i'm not a damn engineer but i'll try my best. One a regular street car, they'll just make your ride a living hell, and won't do anything for regular driving. But for a car that sees the 1320, it helps with wieght transfer alot better. If you're just asking what they'll do, help with wieght transfer like i said. But they will do nothing for a normal fwd car. My entire setup is simple. Ground controls with kyb agx shocks. Why don't you go to honda-tech, you'll learn alot.

That could be a good Drag strip setup I suppose. Don't want the weight coming off the front wheels.

Originally posted by CivicEXRider
That could be a good Drag strip setup I suppose. Don't want the weight coming off the front wheels.

Bingo, someone else realizes why. Traction is a major killer with the power that my car makes and the same with many others. All the wieght wants to shit to the rear. And with the the tires losing traction you just spin. Well with the rear so stiff, there is minimal wieght transfer and the tires stay planted on the ground.

Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1


You're a moderator on a web board about cars and have no clue why a stiffer rear suspension will help a fwd car at the track? First, when i said it was a little bumpy, i was being a smartass, but the rear end does not get squirly on me. Why does it work, i'm not a damn engineer but i'll try my best. One a regular street car, they'll just make your ride a living hell, and won't do anything for regular driving. But for a car that sees the 1320, it helps with wieght transfer alot better. If you're just asking what they'll do, help with wieght transfer like i said. But they will do nothing for a normal fwd car. My entire setup is simple. Ground controls with kyb agx shocks. Why don't you go to honda-tech, you'll learn alot.

First off, HT.com can bite my ass. Nuff said there.

2nd, NOWHERE in my post did I say that I didn't know why a stiffer rear would help a FWD car. Check my suspension setup and then restate your comment on my knowledge of that and tell me if it still applies which plain and simple, it wouldn't. :loser: I only asked to see if YOU knew what a stiffer rear spring would do on a FWD setup. I already know what it will do. It works in a straight line since it premotes better grip and traction to the front wheels, but as soon as you hit any curves, you'll have problems, and serious ones at that. Off the drag track, and onto an auto-X track, or even a canyon road for that matter, do you know what your setup would cause your car to do? It's all in the physics of suspension setup verses drivetrain setup and car balance. I'm not an engineer either, so I can't break it down any further than that. But in a nutshell, the stiffer you make the rear, the more it'll cause the rear to push OUTWARD from the direction of the turn, in plain english that's oversteer. This is why you won't see any coilover or spring set up for Civics with the rear stiffer than the front (unless you custom order that way, which you obviously did). They know that it's a major safety issue if they sell them otherwise than what I described. I just hope you realize that springs as stiff as yours will wear out your shocks quicker than normal, as I can guarantee they are out powering your shock tolerances by quite a bit. The same principal of slamming a car on stock struts. I auto-X so when I read track, what's track to me, is something different to you. Your setup is about as good as one can do in a Civic for drag, but that's definitely not a setup you'd want for auto-X or road racing. You want to stiffen up the rear, but not twice as much as the front. CivicSiRacer if I recall used to have 350f and 450r spring rates on his Si, but recently changed them. That setup worked for him, but it's trial and error getting it right once you start swapping out swaybars and such. A larger front swaybar will counter the affects of the stiffer springs but balancing itself out with the rear better. A larger rear swaybar will do the opposite, and further stiffen up the rear causing it to push out once in a turn.

My setup is pretty simple too, Tein SS coilovers (448f / 224r), OEM Integra Type-R rear swaybar (22mm), Beak's Performance subframe reinforcement kit, generic lower tiebar, and Neuspeed 4-point uppter towear bar. I Originally had installed on a 13mm Si rear swaybar, but I wanted something bigger that would prevent understeer further, and so rather than over paying for a Suspension Techniques, or Skunk2 rear bar (which neither would have been as thick anyways) I went with the ITR bar instead. It's OEM design and fitment for one, it's thick, and it's Honda quality and manufactured. I have no front swaybar, nor do I plan on getting one, as my car is pretty balanced as far as handling control goes. I can get it to oversteer OR understeer at will, it'll still plow through turns if pushed hard enough, but if controlled correctly, the rear can be kicked out into a weight transfer slide.

obviously with my motor, the power than I make and the times i'm pulling, I know what the suspension does for the car. I know what my car does in the turns, but i didn't build it for that. But i'm glad we both now know what a suspesnion will do depending on what you have it setup for:thefinger Honda-tech is a very infomative board also. I was just being an ass to you in my previous reply.

Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1
obviously with my motor, the power than I make and the times i'm pulling, I know what the suspension does for the car. I know what my car does in the turns, but i didn't build it for that. But i'm glad we both now know what a suspesnion will do depending on what you have it setup for:thefinger Honda-tech is a very infomative board also. I was just being an ass to you in my previous reply.

It's all good. I just have my own personal beef with Honda-Tech, that's all. I agree it's a very informative board, I'm registered on it myself though never have posted on there I also know a lot of personal friends that are on it (the Starbucks crew and Quickteck peeps for one). But again, there was an incident that happend with the board that involved me and my car directly, so it left a "bad taste in my mouth" if you will, that frankly caused me to never give that site much respect anymore after that. Sad how just a handful of people can ruin things for a great group of thousands.

what happened over there at ht?

yea, i hear that. I know how some are over there. Infact my car was stolen and stripped by a few members from the board, I had a hard time trusting anyone for awhile, let alone people from there.

Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1
yea, i hear that. I know how some are over there. Infact my car was stolen and stripped by a few members from the board, I had a hard time trusting anyone for awhile, let alone people from there.

Geez, that sucks. :( That's why I don't trust HT members. Too cocky, ruthless and just plain rude.