my friend just got one of these and swears its faster . i just laugh.
he wanted to compare times.
anyone know of times of 2002 max SE 1/8, 1/4 mile etc..
i searched the web and cant find them..

what yall think anyone race a GTP??

Originally posted by rhukus
my friend just got one of these and swears its faster . i just laugh.
he wanted to compare times.
anyone know of times of 2002 max SE 1/8, 1/4 mile etc..
i searched the web and cant find them..

what yall think anyone race a GTP??

are you 6-speed?? I know this, don't underestimate the GTP. They are quick and have a stock supercharger. Better make sure that he hasn't swapped out the pullies!!

i have automatic

he just got it.. hasnt swapped out anything.

i rode in it it is fast.

but doesnt seem as fast as the max but dunno

Is his an auto? What model of the GTP is it, coupe or sedan? Is it with the performance ram air package? With the hood scoop and everything?

6spd will murder him as long as he hasn't swapped out for a smaller pulley and chipped up his car.

From the factory even with the sc, I've seen Maximas beat them due to their heavier weight.

They have a hell of a launch from standstill but from a roll say at like anywhere from 60-80, especially 80 and higher the VQ will eat its' @$$.

Just make sure he doesn't have a chip and pulley because that will easily add over 40 hp on that beast and then it's murder for you.

he has the automatic 4door GTP no ram air, no pulleys, no chip

i gotta make sure he dont get those though. he has been eye balling stuff

edit --> added

According to MotorTrend,

The stock 02 Maxima SE has 255HP, a 0-60 of 6.0s, and does the 1/4 in 14.7s @97MPH.

The stock 00 GTP has 240HP, a 0-60 of 6.8s, and does the 1/4 in 15.1s @91MPH

Man that is a slow time. I thought it would be faster than that since it has an SC.

You guys gotta remember that we're talking about an American V6 that is boosted vs a Japanese NA V6, American V6's aren't that great without boosting (the exception is the Yamaha V6 in the old SHO, which really isn't American).

Also they (American V6's) most need boosting just to be able to get the kind of power that we got stock out of the VQ.

Just look at Pontiac's newest Bonny, they're only getting 260/280 tq from an SC'd V6, take that same SC and add it to our VQ and you are easily pushing over 360 hp.

Bk2Max you got a good point there. I just saw times for new Pontiac GTP 4spd auto and its 0-60 was 6.8. If the auto got that time that means stick gets about 6.5 to sixty and that is the time for the Alti, Max, and G35 auto. Now what I dont get is how the commercial says it is faster than the Altima 3.5 and Maxima 3.5. But then it also came up to me if it clams its faster than those cars why dosent it say its faster than a G35 sedan in the comercial I have see times of that car G35 the same as the Max and Alti. Make you think huh? I can understand the out handling part becase of the Alti and Max fwd disadvantage but I have been told that is fixed if you lower the Alti and max.

expect an automatic max to run right around what a GTP does. he has the advantage however, b/c of the torque from the 3.8 don't be fooled by what others say, unless you launch really well, you're going to lose

bk2kmax, americans are starting to build good v6's now. chrysler has a 3.5 that makes 250 hp, GM has a 3.6 that makes about 260.

Chrystlers V6 is the same engine in the MBs. And Cady's engine is of the Saabs. I have seen of auto Maxs do 6.5 so I dunno you might have a chance.

remember the buick grand national. 3.8 L6 turbo
245 hp and a whopping 330 lbs torque. that's one hell of a v6

Yes America is finally starting to build nice V6's, it's only taken how many decades for them to start to catch up to the Japanese.

I did forget the Buick GN, thanks for reminding me P.

But then it also came up to me if it clams its faster than those cars why dosent it say its faster than a G35 sedan in the comercial I have see times of that car G35 the same as the Max and Alti. <quoted by Deadmaninc

I believe the reason they (Pontiac) don't aim it at the G is because the G isn't their major competition, we all know the G is a luxury sports Sedan/Coupe.

However, the Pontiac does have a .3 displacement size advantage over the 3.5 Max, which makes this even sadder because they added the SC and they still are making what a stock G35 Sedan makes on HP with that SC. I believe that the stock Max 3.5 & G35's torque rating is very underrated, they claim it is 260 stock but in reality they are more like 270-275.

Originally posted by deadmaninc
Chrystlers V6 is the same engine in the MBs. And Cady's engine is of the Saabs. I have seen of auto Maxs do 6.5 so I dunno you might have a chance.

dude, where in the hell are you getting this info?

chrysler 3.5 v6 is of its own design, mercedes doesn't have a 3.5

and the new GM 3.6 is also of its own design, it's a brand new engine series

pontiac claims of being faster than all the others isn't a big surprise...260 hp/280 tq is no joke. and they compare it to auto's of all the others, of course.

Originally posted by deadmaninc
Chrystlers V6 is the same engine in the MBs. And Cady's engine is of the Saabs. I have seen of auto Maxs do 6.5 so I dunno you might have a chance.
i can't think of any 3.5 mercedes'. the chrysler 3.5 out of the 300m makes like 250hp but it's heavy and slow, my friend's mom has one and he borrowed it a cople of times. defintely not competition for even a 4th gen max. as for caddy engines in saabs, i have no idea but GM is supposed to b coming out with an aluminum v6 like the vq and all Gm fans claim it'll beat the VQ, but I just can't see it.

Originally posted by Paonessa

i have no idea but GM is supposed to b coming out with an aluminum v6 like the vq and all Gm fans claim it'll beat the VQ, but I just can't see it.

Ill have to see it to believe it.:rolleyes: :smile:

Originally posted by joeB


Ill have to see it to believe it.:rolleyes: :smile:

believe it...'04 CTS is packing it. 3.6 liter,DOHC, aluminum block and heads, vvt, 255 hp, 250 tq. not too bad, for an american company that is:lol:

Its not that I dont believe they are making the motor, I just dont
think it will be near the engine the VQ is.... Ive read about the
CTS already.:biggrin:

Originally posted by bk2kmax
Yes America is finally starting to build nice V6's, it's only taken how many decades for them to start to catch up to the Japanese.

But then it also came up to me if it clams its faster than those cars why dosent it say its faster than a G35 sedan in the comercial I have see times of that car G35 the same as the Max and Alti. <quoted by Deadmaninc

I believe the reason they (Pontiac) don't aim it at the G is because the G isn't their major competition, we all know the G is a luxury sports Sedan/Coupe.

However, the Pontiac does have a .3 displacement size advantage over the 3.5 Max, which makes this even sadder because they added the SC and they still are making what a stock G35 Sedan makes on HP with that SC. I believe that the stock Max 3.5 & G35's torque rating is very underrated, they claim it is 260 stock but in reality they are more like 270-275.

I might have gotten some of my info wrong but I know some Chrystler cars are using the MB V6 like the Pacifica and the Crossfire. G is not really luxury its know as near luxury or entery luxury and so is the Max. Besides the Max I would think is a little larger than the GTP. But the odd thing was they mention the Jaguar X-type. Ya I have to agree America does need to improve their engines because think of out if it is making like 260 under an SC and yet it weights lighter than the G and the Max yet it is slower that tells u that there must be something wrong there. You might be right about them under ratting the torque but I dont think it is by that much. I have seen dynos for the sedan many owners had liek only about 3-7 more tq and right about the same hp as rated but then very few had like 2-8 less tq and lower hp. So it just depends on how the car was tuned.

Wasnt the GNX actually rated closer to 285hp?

Originally posted by deadmaninc



Wasnt the GNX actually rated closer to 285hp?
the GN And GNX are 2 different engines. GNX's are limited edition 1987 GN's they may be rated at higher hp cuz they have a t-3 ceramic turbo and other minor details.
look here:
http://www.buickgnx.com/
regular gns are 245 or 225.

i was thinking about the genIV 350 in the Z06, and that is one bad ass motor. 5.7 liters, 400+ hp and tq, 23-29 mpg, and it launches the car to 60 in 4 seconds, but the craziest thing is that it's OHV. unbelievable

the craziest thing is that it's OHV. unbelievable<quoted by Thrasher

Yeah, that always piqued my interest, I always imagined the "What If" factor, what if it was DOHC instead, that thing would probably even be more of a monster.


G is not really luxury its know as near luxury or entery luxury<quoted by Deadmaninc

I disagree, the G35 is an entry level luxury sedan and the coupe is an entry level luxury coupe, it's counterparts the Maxima and the Z or more down the scale as far as luxury is concerned.

how do the 03 maximas compare to the 03 g35? ive had a handful of chances to break out my dads g35 sedan 5 speed auto and the thing is terribly fast. i havent timed it or anything but id say it pulls 60-120 almost as fast as my 96 maxima pulls 0-60. its just incredible how it maintains the acceleration through high speeds. then it makes me ask why he didnt get a 6 speed coupe.

You know that on the G35 if you can get the car to get about 275 to the engine you can take the coupe in a race because the sedan is about 200lb lighter and maybe ur dad realized that and thought he can mod it to get that power.

I raced a GTP in my '97 5-speed with only an intake. He only won by a hood =/

Originally posted by KinKyGoOsE
I raced a GTP in my '97 5-speed with only an intake. He only won by a hood =/

GTP vs. 4th gen and up is a good race, if max is 5 speed.

Originally posted by deadmaninc
You know that on the G35 if you can get the car to get about 275 to the engine you can take the coupe in a race because the sedan is about 200lb lighter and maybe ur dad realized that and thought he can mod it to get that power.

no kidding? i assumed the coupe was lighter.

Originally posted by KinKyGoOsE
I raced a GTP in my '97 5-speed with only an intake. He only won by a hood =/

To bad you didnt have a 95 or 96 Maxima SE with a five speed,
so you would of won. :cool:

Let me correct my self if you can get the G35 sedan to about 275hp at the engine then you can make the car faster than the G35 coupe because sedan is lighter.

What is the diff between the 96 and 97? KinKyGoOsE what year was his car? Was the car stick like yours and was it a sedan?

Originally posted by joeB


To bad you didnt have a 95 or 96 Maxima SE with a five speed,
so you would of won. :cool:
yeah, i raced a gtp in my 95 with just an intake and i had about a car and a half on him. i don't know if it has to do with the year, but i love obd-1 cars. BTW 96's are obd-2.

Originally posted by deadmaninc
Let me correct my self if you can get the G35 sedan to about 275hp at the engine then you can make the car faster than the G35 coupe because sedan is lighter.


i understood what you said, but why does the coupe weigh 200 lbs more than the sedan. i would have thought it the other way around.

Originally posted by Paonessa

yeah, i raced a gtp in my 95 with just an intake and i had about a car and a half on him. i don't know if it has to do with the year, but i love obd-1 cars. BTW 96's are obd-2.




I dont either, I kinda liked the looks front and back, a little
better than the 97 - 99 Maximas. such a awesome car it was....:frown: :smile:

Originally posted by deadmaninc
Let me correct my self if you can get the G35 sedan to about 275hp at the engine then you can make the car faster than the G35 coupe because sedan is lighter.

What is the diff between the 96 and 97? KinKyGoOsE what year was his car? Was the car stick like yours and was it a sedan?

To my knowledge, they dont offer a GTP in standard.
But we were racing in teh industrial neighborhoods, and I think we might have gone more than 1/4 cuz I was 1/2 through 4th when we shut it down.
It was a newer model, I think he said 99 or something like that. He had exhaust and stock pulleys that was it.

Originally posted by joeB





I dont either, I kinda liked the looks front and back, a little
better than the 97 - 99 Maximas. such a awesome car it was....:frown: :smile:
that's funny. i miss my old car too. i have it set as the background on my computer. i love the new car(for the shor time I had it), and it's definitely faster but my other car just had something about it.

i will own another 95 maxima se 5 speed in my life and i will hook that thing up nice. when this cars's payed off and my insurance rates go down i'll buy another one.

Id like to have another 96 Maxima SE with a five speed. I looked
and looked for a 95 or 96 Maxima 5 speed. The two I found were
in bad shape. Its almost impossible to find a 95 or 96 Maxima
with a five speed around here. Couldnt find much on ebay either.

pontiacs are fucking gay dude. has anyone seen pointiacs balls adverstisements for the 2004 gtp?? says accelerates quicker than a 2004 maxima. fucking clowns. 6 speed 2k4's run 6 flat to 60, sub 15 quarters. whereas gtps run 6.6s/15s. anyone who buys a pontiac is a moron.

They posted a chart on Altima.net that Ponitac used to prove the times but I think the chart was biased towards their car not sure tho.

Originally posted by seanish4042
pontiacs are fucking gay dude. has anyone seen pointiacs balls adverstisements for the 2004 gtp?? says accelerates quicker than a 2004 maxima. fucking clowns. 6 speed 2k4's run 6 flat to 60, sub 15 quarters. whereas gtps run 6.6s/15s. anyone who buys a pontiac is a moron.

Agreed. A friend had one and even though it was fast, I really wouldn't drive one. Also, I don't think they should brag that there larger, super charged engine gets about the same hp. On that subject, have yall seen the stillen super charger for the Z? It boosts the Z to 354 HP. Could something like that be applied to a Maxima? The have the same basic engine.

Originally posted by lordrashmi


Agreed. A friend had one and even though it was fast, I really wouldn't drive one. Also, I don't think they should brag that there larger, super charged engine gets about the same hp. On that subject, have yall seen the stillen super charger for the Z? It boosts the Z to 354 HP. Could something like that be applied to a Maxima? The have the same basic engine.

As of right now the SC for the Z will not fit the Max, the engine in the Z sits differently in the bay (it sits lower) than the Max, plus it is on the RWD platform and as you already know the Max is FWD.

who is the freaking moron that says effn chryslers and mercedes use the same engine? and that caddys have the same engines as saabs? are you a moron? first of all, chrysler is still trash, whether they have help from mercedez or not. chryslers still use those horrible dodge/jeep engines with that archaic overhead valve configuration, and horrible quality. and caddys with saabs? are you retarted?. you serisouly know nothing about cars...and youve made yourself look like a complete fool.

He prolly meant the Catera, CTS engines being from SAAB or so.

the Chrystler Crossfire is using the SLK V6.

If you go on GM's web site. www.gm.com you will see Saab being listed there.

alright, my mistake, seems as if i was wrong about the crossfire. and i am aware that gm owns saab.

I have a '99 GTP coupe and wanted to give my feedback on the subject.

that archaic overhead valve configuration

First, what makes OHV configurations "archaic" as you put it? Did you know OHC configurations were around and being used at the same time OHV was?

The overhead camshaft is also something that we think of as a relatively new development, but it's not. In 1898 the Wilkinson Motor Car Company introduced the same feature on a car.

Remember when manufacturers used flat head (L-head) and side valve engines? Nevermind, I won't even get into that.

Regarding USA making V6's, I'm glad someone mentioned the Buick Grand Nationals. That is a solid engine and is basically what GM's 3800 Series I, II, and III has evolved from; that Buick V6. Anyone who knows about these blocks know that they are severly underrated and NOT tuned to thier true potential from the factory. Why? The weak link is the transaxle in these cars. The prototype GTP's ('97 - '03 model year that was going to be introduced as a redesign for '97) were originally going to be rated at 300 hp & 335 lb/ft. Read about it here: http://www.grandprix.net/limited/gpx_article.html

What stopped them? Like I said the tranny. While people have done mild mods to thier L67 and still kept the 4t65e stock, I assume GM didn't want to run into warranty issues since the 4t65e is "only" rated at 280 lb/ft. Another thing about the tranny is its HORRIBLE gearing... 2.93 final drive ratio for GTP's. The Grand Prix GT's got a little better gearing with a 3.29 final drive but 3rd & 4th gear aren't the best.

Does GM need a forced induction to extract power from the 3800? In a nutshell, no. http://media.gm.com/chevy/98news/c980106a.htm

In all honesty, despite the block is pretty much bulletproof, I still feel GM is holding back. I mean, they don't even offer an aftercooler from the factory, but I still enjoy my ride. The '04 GTP however.. I don't like at all, the looks that is. GM is going in the right direction though with the engine uppin' the HP (notice how the torque stayed the same as the previous models 280 lb/ft? 2 words, torque management -- tricky little feature added in the PCM to protect the transaxle) and adding the Tap Shift, Drive by wire throttle body, more efficient blower, better connecting rods, etc etc. Also, on the Comp G GTP's they put in the 3.29 gears.

I know you're probably thinking...

So why doesn't GM make the transmission stronger? Who knows. They probably will/are. Especially since Saab has been modifying the 4t65e tranny and making it stronger for quite some time. (yes despite the axle being the weak link in grand prix's its still a good tranny. Lots of GM trannies are used by Saab, BMW, Volvo(ford) and others.)


Why don't they have a manual option for GTP's? Not too many manuals trannies would be able to handle the torque from the L67 especially in a 3500 lb car with such limited space for the transaxle to be "beefy". Word has it though, someone is developing both 5 & 6 speeds for GTP's. Until then, www.intense-racing.com has modified transmissions. There's some GETRAG's that would bolt up by they wouldn't last very long especially after hard driving. Plus you gotta remember, while manual gearboxes are more fun to drive, for drag racing auto is better.


What I would like to know, is what was Nissan (or Datsun they might of been known by back then) doing in the '80's with thier V6's? When GNX's were pissing of the corvette guys?


Oh yea, to the guy who talked about making a Vette with a OHC configuration... I guess you never heard of a ZR1. ZR1's are rated the same as ZO6's both are 5.7l V8's and 405 hp & 400 lb/ft. One is OHC and one is OHV. Guess who wins stock for stock.

Just goes to show, nothing wrong with OHV setups. Those LS1's/LS6's are a good example. People seem to think that OHV engines can't rev high based on the redline they see on a cars tach. LOL. With the right camshaft, pushrods, valve springs and retainers, you'll be set. Afterall, staying in your powerband is more important than staying in a given gear longer.

I have a '99 GTP coupe and wanted to give my feedback on the subject.



First, what makes OHV configurations "archaic" as you put it? Did you know OHC configurations were around and being used at the same time OHV was?

The overhead camshaft is also something that we think of as a relatively new development, but it's not. In 1898 the Wilkinson Motor Car Company introduced the same feature on a car.

Remember when manufacturers used flat head (L-head) and side valve engines? Nevermind, I won't even get into that.

Regarding USA making V6's, I'm glad someone mentioned the Buick Grand Nationals. That is a solid engine and is basically what GM's 3800 Series I, II, and III has evolved from; that Buick V6. Anyone who knows about these blocks know that they are severly underrated and NOT tuned to thier true potential from the factory. Why? The weak link is the transaxle in these cars. The prototype GTP's ('97 - '03 model year that was going to be introduced as a redesign for '97) were originally going to be rated at 300 hp & 335 lb/ft. Read about it here: http://www.grandprix.net/limited/gpx_article.html

What stopped them? Like I said the tranny. While people have done mild mods to thier L67 and still kept the 4t65e stock, I assume GM didn't want to run into warranty issues since the 4t65e is "only" rated at 280 lb/ft. Another thing about the tranny is its HORRIBLE gearing... 2.93 final drive ratio for GTP's. The Grand Prix GT's got a little better gearing with a 3.29 final drive but 3rd & 4th gear aren't the best.

Does GM need a forced induction to extract power from the 3800? In a nutshell, no. http://media.gm.com/chevy/98news/c980106a.htm

In all honesty, despite the block is pretty much bulletproof, I still feel GM is holding back. I mean, they don't even offer an aftercooler from the factory, but I still enjoy my ride. The '04 GTP however.. I don't like at all, the looks that is. GM is going in the right direction though with the engine uppin' the HP (notice how the torque stayed the same as the previous models 280 lb/ft? 2 words, torque management -- tricky little feature added in the PCM to protect the transaxle) and adding the Tap Shift, Drive by wire throttle body, more efficient blower, better connecting rods, etc etc. Also, on the Comp G GTP's they put in the 3.29 gears.

I know you're probably thinking...

So why doesn't GM make the transmission stronger? Who knows. They probably will/are. Especially since Saab has been modifying the 4t65e tranny and making it stronger for quite some time. (yes despite the axle being the weak link in grand prix's its still a good tranny. Lots of GM trannies are used by Saab, BMW, Volvo(ford) and others.)


Why don't they have a manual option for GTP's? Not too many manuals trannies would be able to handle the torque from the L67 especially in a 3500 lb car with such limited space for the transaxle to be "beefy". Word has it though, someone is developing both 5 & 6 speeds for GTP's. Until then, www.intense-racing.com has modified transmissions. There's some GETRAG's that would bolt up by they wouldn't last very long especially after hard driving. Plus you gotta remember, while manual gearboxes are more fun to drive, for drag racing auto is better.


What I would like to know, is what was Nissan (or Datsun they might of been known by back then) doing in the '80's with thier V6's? When GNX's were pissing of the corvette guys?


Oh yea, to the guy who talked about making a Vette with a OHC configuration... I guess you never heard of a ZR1. ZR1's are rated the same as ZO6's both are 5.7l V8's and 405 hp & 400 lb/ft. One is OHC and one is OHV. Guess who wins stock for stock.

Just goes to show, nothing wrong with OHV setups. Those LS1's/LS6's are a good example. People seem to think that OHV engines can't rev high based on the redline they see on a cars tach. LOL. With the right camshaft, pushrods, valve springs and retainers, you'll be set. Afterall, staying in your powerband is more important than staying in a given gear longer.





Not to be rude or anything but who cares, this is a Nissan forum and if we wanted to know anything about your car we would do the research besides this thread was dead until you brought it back from there.

Some things are better off left for dead and this is one, trolls shouldn't come here to try and convince us that they have a superior engine or car than ours.

Who cares what Nissan was doing in the 80's, we are living in the 2000's now, the past is just that, the past, so let it be.
We are not here to bash on Pontiacs, though none of us would buy one or take a Bonny over our beloved Maxima no matter how many SC's they through into them.

All we were saying is that the 2 cars really shouldn't be compared because yours carries an SC from the factory, if we were to have a factory (Stillen or Stealing whichever you prefer) V1 or V2 SC on them then it would be no contest you'd have to have a Firebird or Vette in order to be able to beat us, your Bonny wouldn't even come close.

in 1979 nissan debuted the 280z and shortly after released it with a turbo on their 2.8 liter straight 6, the engine output jumped to 180hp and 203 lbs/ft torque which produced a 7.4 second 0-60. slow by todays standards but faster than the same year 4 speed corvette. and nissan didn't really use many v6's initailly they were mostly inlines.

i love grand nationals and would take one in a heartbeat. but a maxima is not a sports car. a GN is. and i think a car with 355 lbs of torque beating a corvette is slightly less impressive than a car with 200 lbs of torque accomplishing the same task.

and i have firsthand seen a GTP unable to pass a VW microbus over a dotted yellow line. he had to back off and get back behind the hunk of crap. that's pathetic

Offtopic but the last post reminded me: Passing in a Max is so sweet. I did alot of driving on narrow highways this weekend and there is nothing like flooring it and shooting past some slow moving bastard...

Not to be rude or anything but who cares, this is a Nissan forum and if we wanted to know anything about your car we would do the research besides this thread was dead until you brought it back from there.

Some things are better off left for dead and this is one, trolls shouldn't come here to try and convince us that they have a superior engine or car than ours.

Who cares what Nissan was doing in the 80's, we are living in the 2000's now, the past is just that, the past, so let it be.
We are not here to bash on Pontiacs, though none of us would buy one or take a Bonny over our beloved Maxima no matter how many SC's they through into them.

All we were saying is that the 2 cars really shouldn't be compared because yours carries an SC from the factory, if we were to have a factory (Stillen or Stealing whichever you prefer) V1 or V2 SC on them then it would be no contest you'd have to have a Firebird or Vette in order to be able to beat us, your Bonny wouldn't even come close.

So, I'm now labeled as a "troll" for providing information? Ok so be it. Considering I never compared the 3800 to any VQ or mentioned/put down the Maxima anywhere, I would like for you to show me once where I tried to convince you that the 3800 is "superior".

Funny how you bring up the past and future thing. Someone was talking about the USA "finally" making a good V6. The reason why I brought up the past was to illustrate they've been making them for quite awhile.

I don't know why you keep saying Bonny, if you noticed I said I have a Grand Prix not a Bonneville.

i love grand nationals and would take one in a heartbeat. but a maxima is not a sports car. a GN is. and i think a car with 355 lbs of torque beating a corvette is slightly less impressive than a car with 200 lbs of torque accomplishing the same task.

and i have firsthand seen a GTP unable to pass a VW microbus over a dotted yellow line. he had to back off and get back behind the hunk of crap. that's pathetic

Sorry, a GN is NOT a sports car. Regarding those 2 cars beating a vette, you must be easily impressed. I wouldn't be until I took other things into consideration like weight, gearing, and area under the curve being a few. I can't speak for the driver that you saw. I can only account for myself and I've yet to lose to any Maxima or Altima. The 1 time I raced a G35 Coupe, I left him rather easily... I was kind of dissapointed.

Once again, I'm not here to convince anything or any other type of bullshit. Just providing information. You said yourself, bk2k, if you wanted to know you would do research. It's obvious none was done considering the posts and confusion about the car, yet people were still commenting like they knew anything about GTP's or the 3800 in general. They look at PEAK OUTPUT NUMBERS and judge a cars performance solely on that. :nono:

PS. Since you kept on talking about "Bonny", you just reminded me. I'd take the Spirit of Bonneville car over ANY Maxima. It was the first production FWD car to exceed 200 MPH. http://www.pontiacpower.net/200bon1.html

No offense, but the picture of the car you linked is fugly.....

And it wasn't exactly "Production". They added many changes to it. Considering I can get my 100% stock maxima up to over 150MPH, 200 from that car doesn't shock me...

Sorry, a GN is NOT a sports car. Regarding those 2 cars beating a vette, you must be easily impressed. I wouldn't be until I took other things into consideration like weight, gearing, and area under the curve being a few. I can't speak for the driver that you saw. I can only account for myself and I've yet to lose to any Maxima or Altima. The 1 time I raced a G35 Coupe, I left him rather easily... I was kind of dissapointed.


i know it's not a sports car. perhaps i should have said sport oriented. but it's a 2 door with bucket seats and a turbo 6 so it's sporty to me. and you were the one who asked where nissan was when the mid 80's GN's were beating corvettes and i was just telling you, we were there too, maybe not on the same level, but we were there. and if I see a GN and a vette lined up i say this should be a good cuz it's more evenly matched, when you see a datsun/nissan line up next to one you expect the datsun to lose. so if that means i'm easily impressed when it wins, then i guess i'm easily impressed. i love seeing the underdog win, which happens pretty often in a nissan. 'specailly a VQ.

No offense, but the picture of the car you linked is fugly.....

And it wasn't exactly "Production". They added many changes to it. Considering I can get my 100% stock maxima up to over 150MPH, 200 from that car doesn't shock me...

Looks are subjective but I wouldn't take the car for looks in the first place. I'd take it for the engine, then swap it into my GTP. I could take my car well over 150 also (those 2.93 gears are good for something.. overall slower acceleration but higher capable top speed), if the speed limiter was removed, but there is a big difference between 150 and 200 mph, especially in a FWD car. I know they made modifications, but the block was untouched.

i know it's not a sports car. perhaps i should have said sport oriented. but it's a 2 door with bucket seats and a turbo 6 so it's sporty to me. and you were the one who asked where nissan was when the mid 80's GN's were beating corvettes and i was just telling you, we were there too, maybe not on the same level, but we were there. and if I see a GN and a vette lined up i say this should be a good cuz it's more evenly matched, when you see a datsun/nissan line up next to one you expect the datsun to lose. so if that means i'm easily impressed when it wins, then i guess i'm easily impressed. i love seeing the underdog win, which happens pretty often in a nissan. 'specailly a VQ.

I was asking where they were period... not where they were when the GN's were dominating. I wouldn't say the VQ is an underdog, just not fully realized by most people and I would say the same for the 3800. I know the reliability and potential of the VQ's and spot how Nissan has made large improvements with it over the years. A long time ago in high school I was going to get a Maxima, but I made a big mistake and ended up getting a Mazda 626. That car was a PIECE OF SHIT. Got rid of that and bought my '99 GTP.

Sorry if you took my comments as bashing, I would drive a GTP (my best friend have one) I just would take my max over it.

And yeah, a 626 is a piece of crap. I had a 93' 4 banger for the longest time. Considering I got it for 3K, it wasn't bad, but nothing compared to a Max.

I've been reading this thread, and I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in. :2cents:

True story. I have an 97 I30 w/VQ30 and my workmate has a 96 GMC Pickup with the Vortech V6. We were both couriers, sometimes with as much as 800lb payload, zipping all over dallas (Yes, you can haul in an Infinity). We both dogged our vehicles and we averaged about 300 miles daily 5-6 days a week. That means an oil change every 5 weeks. In the 17 months we worked together I burned up an alternative and starter ($700) and he has seen 2 starters, 2 trannies, and a complete overhaul ($4000+). I suffered some power loss for a while, so I switch to super from regular unleaded and I was back in business. Today, I make frequent trips to Houston from Dallas(240 miles) and to Gilmer, TX from Dallas (128 miles). Gots 150K+ miles and 6 years, but I still got something for that ass. I've seen a GM product disappear in my rear view mirror at 110mph - recently. My ex workmate won't use his truck for long trips, it's left him on the road too many times. GM means Get Maintenance. :disappoin

To be fair, he has about 250K miles. But a year from now, when I have over 200K, my car will be the same as it is today.

Nice to toss in your 2 cents, but remember you just compaired a car and a truck... :nono:

True dat. Cars and trucks have a great many differences. But that's the beauty of it, my friend. Currently, Nissan uses the 3.5l V6 in practically everything. On the Nissan side, you have the Max, Murano, Pathfinder, 350Z & Altima 3.5. On the Infiinity side you have the I35, G35 (Sedan and Coupe) and the FX35. A SUV, SUV2, midsize sedan and a sports coupe with the same engine, tweaked for different uses. All well over 200hp. If you build it right, you only need one. :sunglasse

Let me make this clear, I wasn't calling you a Troll for providing info, I was calling you a troll because replying to this post was your first post ever on this board and just because it applied to Pontiac's.

I didn't see your name on any of the other threads, it's great that you provided us with info on your car, that is fine and it is great that you came here to bragg about your car being faster than certain Nissan cars.

You have an SC so you should be faster, if we were to have the V1 or V2 SC from Stillen as a stock or option from the factory with our car then you'd have to be driven a Firebird in order to beat us.

We can go back and forth about who's faster with this or that or whatever, all I'm saying is don't come here comparing your car with an SC to our car without.

Bk2kmax. Who is that retorte aimed at?

Bk2kmax. Who is that retorte aimed at?

non sequitir I believe is who he is talking to.

Let me make this clear, I wasn't calling you a Troll for providing info, I was calling you a troll because replying to this post was your first post ever on this board and just because it applied to Pontiac's.

I didn't see your name on any of the other threads, it's great that you provided us with info on your car, that is fine and it is great that you came here to bragg about your car being faster than certain Nissan cars.

You have an SC so you should be faster, if we were to have the V1 or V2 SC from Stillen as a stock or option from the factory with our car then you'd have to be driven a Firebird in order to beat us.

We can go back and forth about who's faster with this or that or whatever, all I'm saying is don't come here comparing your car with an SC to our car without.

A few things:

1st post on automotiveforums.com? No.
1st post on the Nissan section of automotiveforums.com? Yes.

I already stated my reason for posting on this thread, "bragging" wasn't part of it. My statement about beating those "certain nissan cars" isn't bragging either. At least I didn't mean it as bragging because I sure didn't take the statement someone made about a GTP being unable to pass a VW as bragging or derogatory towards the car. I found it amusing but like I said, I can't speak for that driver.

Having an AFTERMARKET KIT as an option from the factory would up your power and all, but I don't see why you're telling me this. It's still aftermarket, NOT a factory part. I could turn around and say "well having an INTENSE MP112 Blower kit as an option from the factory blah blah blah" Get my point? Aftermarket kits are usually going to much more "aggresive" than manufacturers original equipment. Besides, having a supercharger on a vehicle doesn't always mean "faster". It depends on the application and how its setup. Good example would be your Nissan Xterra's. Some have blowers on them, but are they necessarily setup for speed? Nope.

I didn't come here to argue or compare GTP's to Maxima's. In case you didn't notice.. there was already a comparison being made to "my car with a SC to your car without" before I posted on this thread (afterall, the thread originator did title it "02 max SE VS 00 grand prix GTP"). I mainly posted because I noticed some misinformation and confusion and wanted people to know a little about the 3800.

A few things:

1st post on automotiveforums.com? No.
1st post on the Nissan section of automotiveforums.com? Yes.

I already stated my reason for posting on this thread, "bragging" wasn't part of it. My statement about beating those "certain nissan cars" isn't bragging either. At least I didn't mean it as bragging because I sure didn't take the statement someone made about a GTP being unable to pass a VW as bragging or derogatory towards the car. I found it amusing but like I said, I can't speak for that driver.

Having an AFTERMARKET KIT as an option from the factory would up your power and all, but I don't see why you're telling me this. It's still aftermarket, NOT a factory part. I could turn around and say "well having an INTENSE MP112 Blower kit as an option from the factory blah blah blah" Get my point? Aftermarket kits are usually going to much more "aggresive" than manufacturers original equipment. Besides, having a supercharger on a vehicle doesn't always mean "faster". It depends on the application and how its setup. Good example would be your Nissan Xterra's. Some have blowers on them, but are they necessarily setup for speed? Nope.

I didn't come here to argue or compare GTP's to Maxima's. In case you didn't notice.. there was already a comparison being made to "my car with a SC to your car without" before I posted on this thread (afterall, the thread originator did title it "02 max SE VS 00 grand prix GTP"). I mainly posted because I noticed some misinformation and confusion and wanted people to know a little about the 3800.
:wave: Go home, let this thread die. :newbie: :gives:

Go home, let this thread die. quoted by Kornboy

That was exactly my point and yes you still are a Troll because you don't post on this Maxima forum regardless if you post on other boards on this website, I've never seen you here and neither has any of the other guys. I never said that this was your first post on automotiveforums.com but it was certainly your first post here and if it hadn't applied to your car, would you have even bother to come here?

Hell no, I don't think so and that makes you a Troll at least to this board it does.

Maybe you didn't come here to bragg but it sure sounds like it to all of us, good for you, your "factory" SC can beat a non factory, non SC'd car, whoopty do.

Good luck with your car, I hope it lasts you forever, I'm not hating on you or anything like that, I just want you to understand that this thread was Dead and it should've stayed that way but you resurrected this thread from the grave with what seemed like boasting to us.

Hey, whatever you have a nice car and we do to but you are not going to catch any of us going to your forum and telling how our aftermarket SC or Turbo beats your "Factory SC".

Good luck though man.

Well...I'll post here too, just to piss you guys off :smokin:

I've got an 01 grand prix gtp myself and I've spent alot of time soaking up knowledge on various gp boards.

Your correct we "need" a supercharger to compete with you folks, mainly due to the fact that our engines are 8.5:1 compression (think 1985 Monte Carlo) without it. They are built for supercharging to offer V8 torque with insurable V6 horsepower.

Your advantages include :

Variable Intake

Variable Valve Timing

6-speed Manual Transmission

10.3:1 compression ratio (hmmm..that extra compression is more than an LS1 car) :nono:

Dohc design (for the superior top end)

This seems to me....more than evens out the .3 displacement difference and the measly non intercooled factory roots blower that puts us in a "different class" of car.

And for the record, most stock gtp run in the high 14's. I still think the new 6 spd Max would take them (it would be pretty close) factory vs factory in a quarter run. That is mainly due to the 6 speed option and the heft of the gtp. The 97-03 weighed in at 3450, but lack the extra 20hp, and the 04 plus have bloated out to 3583 (killing off any acceleration advantage with our higher torque and the 20hp increase)

(Just so you know you can pick on the new ones)

As far as modifications gtp oWn Jooo...

We pick up horsepower and torque like the poor bastard that has to pick up elephant crap in the parade.

The first pulley swap puts 16hp to our wheels, and 30-35 extra lb ft of torque to the ground. ($75) +4psi

Another 10hp can be gained with a cold air intake working in concert with the pulley upgrade ($150)

Computer reprogramming (300) = 12hp

Removing a small restriction in our exhaust, and dropping to a lower thermostat will add yet another 10 ponies

(Congratulations, you just put yourself in the 13's)

I won't even get started on what a cam, intercooler, a smaller pulley, or headers offer, because it might explode your heads with anti-domestic rage. (The stock gtp engine can handle over 500hp, its that damn transmission that always blows)

In conclusion, your Nissan engines are very nice, and they certainly match our power ratings factory vs factory. Your interiors certainly kick the 97-03 gtp interiors ass all over the block and Max certainly handle better. But don't be under the illusion that most gtp you run into are going to be lunch.

...and this thread is 3 months old. Let it die. We've all figured out that the only Maxima slayer in Pontiac's line-up is the GTO.